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I'm somewhat in the same situation as L1qu1d. I don't know if I should wait for 10.3 ATi drivers and go 3D or go Eyefinity instead? One thing I don't understand is ATi have partnered themselves with iz3D which along with Catalyst 10.3 will bring stereoscopic 3D to us ATi owners. However, does that mean you also need to purchase iz3D's proprietary monitor and glasses? I heard nVidia's glasses are active and run of batteries wheras iz3D's glasses are passive and significantly cheaper as a result? I'm not sure how ATi will implement 3D this month? Any ideas?
Regarding Eyefinity, ideally, IMO, having a 27" centre screen along with flanking 2 x 20" portrait screens is the very best setup, one where bezel thickness would not be so much of an issue. If ATi allowed you to mix resolutions and orientations in Eyefinity I would be on it in an instant!
Regarding Eyefinity, ideally, IMO, having a 27" centre screen along with flanking 2 x 20" portrait screens is the very best setup, one where bezel thickness would not be so much of an issue. If ATi allowed you to mix resolutions and orientations in Eyefinity I would be on it in an instant!
1) Mixing resolutions: can't (or won't) do (yet), as the screen(s) is(are) rendered as one large space, and to support different resolutions, multi-page render passes would have to be done for each screen with different resolutions; it's not the same as AA's extra render pass .... it's that geometry, post etc etc all has to be done AGAIN .... not feasible, and damn difficult at the driver level.
2) iZ3D's solution works now with ATI, you just have to use anaglyph.
3) On the ATI 3D issue .... I'm waiting too, but it will probably be similar (same) as NVidia.
2) iZ3D's solution works now with ATI, you just have to use anaglyph.
3) On the ATI 3D issue .... I'm waiting too, but it will probably be similar (same) as NVidia.
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TheGreatGrapeApe
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You've been able to do 3D via 3rd party the whole time, there's the new built-in driver aid now since Catalyst 10.1;
L1qu1d :
Like the title says, i can get 3 21.4" monitors for 500$, or a 3D vision Bundle for the same price.
Opinions?
Thank You, I'm in no rush, but I would like to have some thoughts in my head!
Opinions?
Thank You, I'm in no rush, but I would like to have some thoughts in my head!
So like going back to your original question, you're asking us to recommend whether to buy one thing that does 3D or another thing that gives you more monitors? Yeh so I agree with others it's good that we now have the "choice", but we don't really. THere's no competitor to Eyefinity, and there's no (freely available) competitor to 3D Vision.
So I don't *think* you're asking us to compare, you're asking us (A) whether we want something made by ATI or by nVidia, and (B) whether we want 3 monitors or 3D. Right?
You need to decide if you want 3D or 3 monitors. Price and manufacturer are about as relevant as viagra in a nunnery cos when you've made that decision, you have no say in either.
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No question stands as a monitor question, Whether its Ati or Nvidia Manufactured shouldn't be implemented. As it stands I dont game quite alot but I do program alot and my girlfriend does do autocad. But at the same time, when I do game I just wanted to know which would be a great experience for me
L1qu1d :
No question stands as a monitor question, Whether its Ati or Nvidia Manufactured shouldn't be implemented. As it stands I dont game quite alot but I do program alot and my girlfriend does do autocad. But at the same time, when I do game I just wanted to know which would be a great experience for me
I *think* i understand what you're saying (!) - if you don't game, don't bother with 3D!!! Lots of screens are far too useful - a guy earlier said that he loved having a gaming screen and an office app screen (or something similar) and I can't agree more.
BUt what you want is multiple screens - that's like hardly anything to do with Eyefinity or 3D vision...
Sorry for the late reply, i mostly play world of warcraft but almost all my games work in eyefinity (not all the same way for exemple wow those that strech effect witch bioshock doesn't but kind of zoom in) but ME2 (mass effect 2) doesn't use eyefinity...shame !!! and remember when you are out there looking for games that can use eyefinity...go on amd.com they have a list of tested games
enjoy !
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L1qu1d :
No question stands as a monitor question, Whether its Ati or Nvidia Manufactured shouldn't be implemented. As it stands I dont game quite alot but I do program alot and my girlfriend does do autocad. But at the same time, when I do game I just wanted to know which would be a great experience for me
I think you have answered your own question. If you do not game much then 3D is pointless. It's not like you can program in 3D either. Multiple monitors is usefull not only for Eyefinity gaming, but the extended desktop real estate is benefical for both your programming and autocad. You would be wasting money going 3D. Your money is better spent on multiple monitors which your programing, games, and your little lady can enjoy
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Here is a bit more info :
Final words and conclusion :
So I have to admit after playing and fooling around with the kit for a couple of days now, I do seem to like it a lot. The best way of describing this technology is that it is adding a new level of depth to your gaming experience. The perception of depth in game is intriguing, interesting and really a lot of fun.
Playing tricks on your brain also has a side effect, since you are looking and actively participating in a 3D environment, that grey matter of yours will tend to get much more active and get tired. I tell you, playing longer than an hour in 3D is absolutely fun... but (at least for me) tiresome. It's not just the depth perception being the bigger factor there, no you constantly have to refocus with your eyes a little when you look from left to right for example. But well, you get used to everything I guess and in the long run your brain will get used to this experience as well. I mentioned it in the article a little, ghosting is a tiny bit of an issue as well. Though admittedly... it's nothing huge and really a lot better then everything we have tested in the past.
But yeah, overall the technology is properly implemented and a heck of a lot of fun.
Now, I've invited some mates of mine to check out the technology as well, and while they were playing I observed them. All three of them had the initial wow factor as well. They all felt that this is an enjoyable and good working, properly implemented set of shutter glasses. They feel it's much better than everything we have seen in the past. Two out of the three guys however stated that while enjoying this experience, they would probably not buy this kit. It was too complex on their eyes and mind. These two, both after 15-20 minutes, caved in and had had enough. One other guy was really into it. And when I asked him if he'd buy a kit like that he said he'd definitely opt for it.
When I asked the last guy the following question, would you pay 475 EUR for both the monitor and 3D shutter glasses kit? His answer was no without any hesitation. He felt that it's just not worth that kind of money. And that's exactly in line with the generic consensus I have and had prepared for this conclusion.
NVIDIA's 3D Vision kit is fun, it adds a niche factor to your gaming experience. But for the very same reasons it had in 2003, it's just not for everybody.
NVIDIA did good though. They are striving for the best possible quality and that shows. The combo of the Samsung 120 Hz LCD monitor and this kit is done properly. The 3D experience works really well, provided you have a decent performing graphics card though. The 3D shutter glasses kit itself is of course done really well. No longer do we see the nerdy glasses, these look like a set of sunglasses. The glasses are comfortable and very important, can be worn over prescription glasses or in combo with contact lenses. We like the fact that you can charge the glasses with a little USB cable, and with the push of a button 3D gaming is enabled. No more need for weird hotkey combinations either, in the past you had to activate 3D with a hotkey combo. Also the scroll-wheel on the back of the IR transmitter is golden as well. Here you can quickly fine-tune how much depth you want in the game, as it differs per person how much a person can actually take or get used to. NVIDIA made the entire process really easy to use.
Also, and I just wanted to add this in the conclusion, 3D stereoscopic imagery does not end with playing games. There is a big world out there loaded with 3D photos and movies, this kit can be utilized for that as well.
And that has to be my conclusion, the GeForce 3D stereo kit is done well, really well. It is very complete and well thought through. But the fact remains that we doubt a little that there's a large crowd out there that is willing to pay 475 EUR for it, making it once again a product for a very small user base. Purchase the glasses alone, and you are still out 175 EUR. Also, 3D stereo gaming is not for everybody, if anything the entire history of kits like these have proven that. But sure... this kit works as advertised, and where other kits have failed in the past... this is a colossal step forward and the overall implementation just works out really well.
Guru3D :
http://www.guru3d.com/article/nvidia-geforce-3d-vision-review/
Final words and conclusion :
So I have to admit after playing and fooling around with the kit for a couple of days now, I do seem to like it a lot. The best way of describing this technology is that it is adding a new level of depth to your gaming experience. The perception of depth in game is intriguing, interesting and really a lot of fun.
Playing tricks on your brain also has a side effect, since you are looking and actively participating in a 3D environment, that grey matter of yours will tend to get much more active and get tired. I tell you, playing longer than an hour in 3D is absolutely fun... but (at least for me) tiresome. It's not just the depth perception being the bigger factor there, no you constantly have to refocus with your eyes a little when you look from left to right for example. But well, you get used to everything I guess and in the long run your brain will get used to this experience as well. I mentioned it in the article a little, ghosting is a tiny bit of an issue as well. Though admittedly... it's nothing huge and really a lot better then everything we have tested in the past.
But yeah, overall the technology is properly implemented and a heck of a lot of fun.
Now, I've invited some mates of mine to check out the technology as well, and while they were playing I observed them. All three of them had the initial wow factor as well. They all felt that this is an enjoyable and good working, properly implemented set of shutter glasses. They feel it's much better than everything we have seen in the past. Two out of the three guys however stated that while enjoying this experience, they would probably not buy this kit. It was too complex on their eyes and mind. These two, both after 15-20 minutes, caved in and had had enough. One other guy was really into it. And when I asked him if he'd buy a kit like that he said he'd definitely opt for it.
When I asked the last guy the following question, would you pay 475 EUR for both the monitor and 3D shutter glasses kit? His answer was no without any hesitation. He felt that it's just not worth that kind of money. And that's exactly in line with the generic consensus I have and had prepared for this conclusion.
NVIDIA's 3D Vision kit is fun, it adds a niche factor to your gaming experience. But for the very same reasons it had in 2003, it's just not for everybody.
NVIDIA did good though. They are striving for the best possible quality and that shows. The combo of the Samsung 120 Hz LCD monitor and this kit is done properly. The 3D experience works really well, provided you have a decent performing graphics card though. The 3D shutter glasses kit itself is of course done really well. No longer do we see the nerdy glasses, these look like a set of sunglasses. The glasses are comfortable and very important, can be worn over prescription glasses or in combo with contact lenses. We like the fact that you can charge the glasses with a little USB cable, and with the push of a button 3D gaming is enabled. No more need for weird hotkey combinations either, in the past you had to activate 3D with a hotkey combo. Also the scroll-wheel on the back of the IR transmitter is golden as well. Here you can quickly fine-tune how much depth you want in the game, as it differs per person how much a person can actually take or get used to. NVIDIA made the entire process really easy to use.
Also, and I just wanted to add this in the conclusion, 3D stereoscopic imagery does not end with playing games. There is a big world out there loaded with 3D photos and movies, this kit can be utilized for that as well.
And that has to be my conclusion, the GeForce 3D stereo kit is done well, really well. It is very complete and well thought through. But the fact remains that we doubt a little that there's a large crowd out there that is willing to pay 475 EUR for it, making it once again a product for a very small user base. Purchase the glasses alone, and you are still out 175 EUR. Also, 3D stereo gaming is not for everybody, if anything the entire history of kits like these have proven that. But sure... this kit works as advertised, and where other kits have failed in the past... this is a colossal step forward and the overall implementation just works out really well.
Guru3D :
http://www.guru3d.com/article/nvidia-geforce-3d-vision-review/
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Killtacular nailed that one I think- If gaming isn't your #1, then 3d is much less important than the monitor/desktop area.
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Dude, 3D screen tearing is when you try to touch the 3D image and tear the screen !! 
Keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times ! 😗
Keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times ! 😗
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Lol! In all seriousness though- I can't even imagine how sick I would get with tearing and stuff trying to game in 3d. I've had enough motion sickness stuff watching videos and movies in 3d 😛
ok ... With LOTS of tech frigging around I've got my: -
3 x 22" Samsung 2233RZ Eyefinity all running @120hz.
2xDVI, 1xMiniDP (the Apple one ... IT DOES WORK, and at 120hz .... don't bother with anything else because they don't support > 60hz as far as I can tell)
But: -
I had to create my own monitor driver using Pheonix and Moninfo to ONLY offer 120hz and 1680x1050.
iZ3D runs fantastic ..... a nice set of high qualilty Anaglyph glasses cost me $5.
SO ..........................
Stereo 3D & Eyfinity using DVI and MiniDP ....
NOTE: - I think I'm one of the very few on the planet to have achieved this .... go me 🙂
3 x 22" Samsung 2233RZ Eyefinity all running @120hz.
2xDVI, 1xMiniDP (the Apple one ... IT DOES WORK, and at 120hz .... don't bother with anything else because they don't support > 60hz as far as I can tell)
But: -
I had to create my own monitor driver using Pheonix and Moninfo to ONLY offer 120hz and 1680x1050.
iZ3D runs fantastic ..... a nice set of high qualilty Anaglyph glasses cost me $5.
SO ..........................
Stereo 3D & Eyfinity using DVI and MiniDP ....
NOTE: - I think I'm one of the very few on the planet to have achieved this .... go me 🙂
Put it this way, I'm an old school gamer, and by that I mean from the Atari / Intellivision days right through, so I've seen it all, and this represents the biggest step for me thus far since my Amiga firstly, then my Voodoo 1 some years later. It's generally been about evolution, but this is borderline revolution.
Performance, immersion, depth.
Performance, immersion, depth.
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