Question 3060 Ti/ 4060 Ti/ 6750 XT ?

[Temuka]

Hi all,I'm in need of new gpu for 1440p gaming. My pc is 13600k with 32gb ram ddr5 on z690 chipset. I'm buying in europe so any of the 3 cards here costs around 400€. I had 2080 before and now since all this fsr,dlss,frame generation etc... I'm confused which one to buy. Since I don't have budget for 4070ti or 7x series from amd,I need gpu for 1-1,5 year before I will have money for up tier card. Which of these 3 cards is better choise for ONLY gaming in 1440p?

To clarify,I don't have ANY discrete GPU at the moment.

 

[thestryker]

6750 XT is going to be giving the best raster performance and have the most longevity thanks to the 12GB VRAM. It does not have DLSS or as good of ray tracing, but at this level rt is a bigger performance hit than it's generally worth in my opinion. The 4060 Ti has the lowest power consumption of the trio if that's important.

 

[ilukey77]

6700xt is your best bet there dirt cheap now 12gb Vram so solid for some of theses newer title !!

seen a few at over clockers uk at 350 pounds ..
im aussie i can get the 6700xt for $529aud right now !!

 

[TechyInAZ]

Depending on whether or not you want good RT performance, the RX 6700 XT as previously mentioned is really good for the price. Alternatively the RX 6750 XT is also a good purchase if its cheap.

 

[docboy]

Another vote for the 6750XT. There are, or at least there were, some good sales on GPUs. I would recommend comparing prices on the 6750XT and the 6800XT. If the price delta between the two is small, go for the latter.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

the 6800 should be in the 400 euro range. its better than the 6750XT and the 16gb vram should help in 1440p

 

[Avro Arrow]

I don't know where in Europe you are so I'll show you a card from Deutscheland since it's in the middle of Europe and accessible by train from most other countries:

Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 XT Pulse 12GB: 350€

Since you only want it for 1-1.5 years, I think that the 50€ savings would be worth it.

 

[Nighthawk117]

I need gpu for 1-1,5

In terms of raw performance the AMD 6750XT is probably your best bet and it should come in under budget. The 6800 is better but comes in a little over budget.

I had 2080 before and now since all this fsr,dlss,frame generation etc... I'm confused which one to buy

AMD cards do not support DLSS or have dedicated Ray Tracing cores like Nvidia. FSR is AMD's alternative but Nvidia's DLSS is generally considered to be better.

Do you still have this 2080? If you do I would keep it for another 1.5 years until your ready to upgrade.

 

[kizo]

In terms of raw performance the AMD 6750XT is probably your best bet and it should come in under budget. The 6800 is better but comes in a little over budget.


AMD cards do not support DLSS or have dedicated Ray Tracing cores like Nvidia. FSR is AMD's alternative but Nvidia's DLSS is generally considered to be better.

Do you still have this 2080? If you do I would keep it for another 1.5 years until your ready to upgrade.

I know I am little late,but are you sure RDNA2 cards lack RT cores?
Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X are RDNA2 , yet they have RT cores.
Some say PS5 is RDNA1.5.
Whatever, it's known to have RT cores.

AMD is generation or 2 behind Nvidia,RT cores or no RT cores.

 

[Nighthawk117]

I know I am little late,but are you sure RDNA2 cards lack RT cores?
Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X are RDNA2 , yet they have RT cores.
Some say PS5 is RDNA1.5.
Whatever, it's known to have RT cores.

AMD is generation or 2 behind Nvidia,RT cores or no RT cores.

I'm not an architectural expert, but as I understood it, AMD does have hardware based acceleration for ray tracing, but that the hardware they use to do it was more generalised in nature. Meaning it isn't used just for ray tracing. Where Nvidia's RT cores were dedicated solely to ray tracing and that it was one of the reasons for Nvidia's performance advantage in that area.

You can certainly still enjoy ray tracing with AMD and as you say both consoles have it. It's just if it were a high priority then Nvidia offers a better experience in that area, even their lower end cards offer good results at 1080p.

 

[thestryker]

I'm not an architectural expert, but as I understood it, AMD does have hardware based acceleration for ray tracing, but that the hardware they use to do it was more generalised in nature. Meaning it isn't used just for ray tracing. Where Nvidia's RT cores were dedicated solely to ray tracing and that it was one of the reasons for Nvidia's performance advantage in that area.

You can certainly still enjoy ray tracing with AMD and as you say both consoles have it. It's just if it were a high priority then Nvidia offers a better experience in that area, even their lower end cards offer good results at 1080p.

From the Tom's overview on RDNA 2:

AMD's RDNA2 chips contain one Ray Accelerator per CU, which is similar to what Nvidia has done with it's RT cores. Even though AMD sort of takes the same approach as Nvidia, the comparison between AMD and Nvidia isn't clear cut. The BVH algorithm depends on both ray/box intersection calculations and ray/triangle intersection calculations. AMD's RDNA2 architecture can do four ray/box intersections per CU per clock, or one ray/triangle intersection per CU per clock.

There's an important distinction here that we do need to point out. AMD apparently does the ray/box intersections using modified texture units. While a rate of four ray/box intersections per clock might sound good, we don't have exact details of how that compares with Nvidia's RTX hardware. What we do know is that, in general, Nvidia's ray tracing performance is better. Also note that Intel's Arc Architecture does up to 12 ray/box intersections per clock.

From our understanding, Nvidia's Ampere architecture can do up to two ray/triangle intersections per RT core per clock, plus some additional extras, but it's not clear what the ray/box rate is. In testing, Big Navi RT performance generally doesn't come anywhere close to matching Ampere, though it can usually keep up with Turing RT performance. That's likely due to Ampere's RT cores doing more ray/box and ray/triangle intersections per clock.

 

[Nighthawk117]

From the Tom's overview on RDNA 2:

I've seen the Tom's review, but I've also read elsewhere that the ray tracing accelerator was still a more multi-purpose component than Nvidia's RT cores. Whether that's truly the case I don't know.

What I would say though, regardless of whether it is or not. Nvidia is the better choice when running ray tracing, particularly if it's at higher resolutions.

 

[thestryker]

I've seen the Tom's review, but I've also read elsewhere that the ray tracing accelerator was still a more multi-purpose component than Nvidia's RT cores. Whether that's truly the case I don't know.

What I would say though, regardless of whether it is or not. Nvidia is the better choice when running ray tracing, particularly if it's at higher resolutions.

It's a much slower design than Intel or nvidia for sure, and something I really wish they'd have addressed for RDNA 3, but it didn't sound like they changed the hardware at all.

 

[Nighthawk117]

It's a much slower design than Intel or nvidia for sure, and something I really wish they'd have addressed for RDNA 3, but it didn't sound like they changed the hardware at all.

I'm not looking to upgrade anytime soon but I had hoped it would be better. It's the weakest link on AMD's performance, otherwise they are quite good.

I was quite surprised at Intel's ray tracing performance, the performance in older games though is not very competitive with AMD.

 

[ilukey77]

I'm not looking to upgrade anytime soon but I had hoped it would be better. It's the weakest link on AMD's performance, otherwise they are quite good.

I was quite surprised at Intel's ray tracing performance, the performance in older games though is not very competitive with AMD.

Intel is on their way i just hope they stick it out in the GPU sector while a massively huge jump between my arc 770 and 7900xtx i must admit im quite impressed with the ARC770 nice looking card software is simple but effective for over clocking and works well as does the card ..

Im impressed with the level of support its got since its release with constant driver updates it feels like Intel want a win with it ( pitty they dont have the same level of smarts with their CPU division )

 

[Nighthawk117]

Intel is on their way i just hope they stick it out in the GPU sector while a massively huge jump between my arc 770 and 7900xtx i must admit im quite impressed with the ARC770 nice looking card software is simple but effective for over clocking and works well as does the card ..

Im impressed with the level of support its got since its release with constant driver updates it feels like Intel want a win with it ( pitty they dont have the same level of smarts with their CPU division )

So you have both a Arc 770 and 7900XTX?

 

[ilukey77]

So you have both a Arc 770 and 7900XTX?

yes my main is the 7800x3d / 7900xtx and ive built ( for the lack of a intel mobo and cpu yet ) a b550 5600x ARC770 ..

my goal was a 13600k b760i with the ARC 770 at some point !! ( i may even look at a 13100 as a place holder and go the 14700k on the b760 mobo but all up in the air at the moment )

Ive also got a 5800x3d /6900xt

and a 10850k/ 6650xt that is for my disabled sister to stuff around with !

and a 6700xt spectral white hellhound .. that is gathering dust ATM ..

I may buy Nvidia next gen if AMD dont bring something BIG to the table BUT it wont be because i really like Nvidia or dislike AMD !!

 

[kizo]

yes my main is the 7800x3d / 7900xtx and ive built ( for the lack of a intel mobo and cpu yet ) a b550 5600x ARC770 ..

my goal was a 13600k b760i with the ARC 770 at some point !! ( i may even look at a 13100 as a place holder and go the 14700k on the b760 mobo but all up in the air at the moment )

Ive also got a 5800x3d /6900xt

and a 10850k/ 6650xt that is for my disabled sister to stuff around with !

and a 6700xt spectral white hellhound .. that is gathering dust ATM ..

I may buy Nvidia next gen if AMD dont bring something BIG to the table BUT it wont be because i really like Nvidia or dislike AMD !!

IF money isn't a problem(and it clearly isn't),just get RTX4090 and call it a day.

 

[ilukey77]

IF money isn't a problem(and it clearly isn't),just get RTX4090 and call it a day.

At this point the the 4090 is a waste .. ( monster card yes but pointless this late in the game ) ill wait till next gen stuff now!!

In fairness money is some what of a issue at release the 4090 was $3000aud to $4000aud where as my 7900xtx red devil was $2000aud

now the 4090 is still in the $2700aud to $3700aud and my red devil 7900xtx is $1600aud ..

all my other GPU's . PC's have been a build over time previous systems such as my 5800x3d 6900xt started as a 3700x 5700xt and just evolved !!

 

[kizo]

At this point the the 4090 is a waste .. ( monster card yes but pointless this late in the game ) ill wait till next gen stuff now!!

In fairness money is some what of a issue at release the 4090 was $3000aud to $4000aud where as my 7900xtx red devil was $2000aud

now the 4090 is still in the $2700aud to $3700aud and my red devil 7900xtx is $1600aud ..

all my other GPU's . PC's have been a build over time previous systems such as my 5800x3d 6900xt started as a 3700x 5700xt and just evolved !!

then sell 7900XTX.
Do not expect RTX5000 series before late 2024.
They are making significant generational jumps every 2 years.

 

[ilukey77]

then sell 7900XTX.
Do not expect RTX5000 series before late 2024.
They are making significant generational jumps every 2 years.

why i like my 7900XTX love the look of the card it works

Im still not sold on the 4090 melting plug ( yes i know its of a very very small % ) issue..

Im happy to wait till 2024 by then id have gotten 2 years out of my 7900xtx like the 2 years i got out of my 6900xt !!

And in fairness my 7900xtx handles everything i play well RT is hit and miss for me which is like the only reason to buy a 4090 is RT ultra at 60-70 fps in cyberpunk 2077 !! past that its overkill for most stuff

I may have a little more disposable income over others but im also not stupid with my money and $4000aud for a GPU is excessive !!

 

[kizo]

why i like my 7900XTX love the look of the card it works

Im still not sold on the 4090 melting plug ( yes i know its of a very very small % ) issue..

Im happy to wait till 2024 by then id have gotten 2 years out of my 7900xtx like the 2 years i got out of my 6900xt !!

And in fairness my 7900xtx handles everything i play well RT is hit and miss for me which is like the only reason to buy a 4090 is RT ultra at 60-70 fps in cyberpunk 2077 !! past that its overkill for most stuff

I may have a little more disposable income over others but im also not stupid with my money and $4000aud for a GPU is excessive !!

60-70?
A LOT more than that.
Melting plug?
That is a thing of the past.
IF nothing else there are reviews to ease the minds of sceptics.
I am sure some models are worse then others.
But yeah,7900XTX is a phenomenal GPU especially if they ever release FSR3 Frame Generation.
I know it has been announced,but where is it?

 

[ilukey77]

60-70?
A LOT more than that.
Melting plug?
That is a thing of the past.
IF nothing else there are reviews to ease the minds of sceptics.
I am sure some models are worse then others.
But yeah,7900XTX is a phenomenal GPU especially if they ever release FSR3 Frame Generation.
I know it has been announced,but where is it?

no the plugs melting has popped back up again!!
as have cracked pcb's
okay RT max the 4090 is around 90 fps and path tracing is 60fps !! without DLSS as i look at that as a nerfing system hence why you buy a 4090 for the simple fact you get playable frame rates without DLSS !

FSR3 frame gen is like alot of 1 step forward 2 steps back with AMD this gen ..

The over heating reference 7900xtx the Asus mobo soc voltage issues have all been a ( 100% this happens to everyone at some point ) bad look this gen !!

Things that AMD didnt need this gen !!

After the leaps and bounds AMD made last gen over 5000 series the 6000series and the 5800x3d cpu were big winners !!

AMD needed a 4090 competitor and for all their wins they have had they have failed when they needed not too !

 

[kizo]

no the plugs melting has popped back up again!!
as have cracked pcb's
okay RT max the 4090 is around 90 fps and path tracing is 60fps !! without DLSS as i look at that as a nerfing system hence why you buy a 4090 for the simple fact you get playable frame rates without DLSS !

FSR3 frame gen is like alot of 1 step forward 2 steps back with AMD this gen ..

The over heating reference 7900xtx the Asus mobo soc voltage issues have all been a ( 100% this happens to everyone at some point ) bad look this gen !!

Things that AMD didnt need this gen !!

After the leaps and bounds AMD made last gen over 5000 series the 6000series and the 5800x3d cpu were big winners !!

AMD needed a 4090 competitor and for all their wins they have had they have failed when they needed not too !

Well with DLSS3 you could at 4K get FPS that are normaly reserved for 1080p and 1440p.
DLSS3 might not be ideal for shooters , but for action RPGs, turnbased strategy games and card games it should be perfect.

 

[ilukey77]

Well with DLSS3 you could at 4K get FPS that are normaly reserved for 1080p and 1440p.
DLSS3 might not be ideal for shooters , but for action RPGs, turnbased strategy games and card games it should be perfect.

in no way am i saying the 4090 is a bad card ( maybe the melting plugs scared me back at release ) its a monster no doubt i just cant warrant the cost after ive already purchased my 7900xtx..
if i get 2 years out of my $2000aud purchase ill be a happy camper .

DLSS seems like a myth to me and why even use it if you can get playable FPS out of a 4090 with out it !!

Then think what a 5090 will do without DLSS there is a limit to fps where it makes no sense to have more !

200 fps in a RPG seems a little over kill to me !!

imagine cyberpunk 2077 150 200 fps or 100 fps in path tracing !!