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This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of the
AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂

We found that third-party inks can save you money, and that some produce
prints on a par with the output of printer vendor inks. But we also
encountered third-party inks that produced poor-quality prints and
clogged up printheads. The impact of generic inks on printer warranties
is ambiguous. And if you frequently print photographs, you should steer
clear of these inks: The prints might look fine, but Wilhelm reported
that none of the clone inks he tested came close to matching the
permanence of brand-name inks.


Third-party vendors have already grabbed more than 16 percent of
cartridge sales, Forrest says, and that percentage is growing. Printer
vendors contend that third-party inks can cause myriad problems--some of
which, they say, may surface only after prolonged use of the
generics--ranging from poor print quality and durability to printer
damage. Third-party vendors counter that printer companies simply want
to scare consumers out of straying from the branded inks, which the
third-parties claim are overpriced in order to subsidize the
artificially inexpensive printers.

In general, most of the third-party inks printed text on plain paper as
decently as the printer manufacturers' cartridges did . Results weren't
as good for high-resolution shots on the printer vendors' long-lasting
photo papers, but four out of the nine aftermarket brands we
tested--Amazon Imaging's ink for the Canon, G&G's ink for the Epson, and
Carrot Ink's cartridge and InkTec's cartridge-refill kit for the
HP--yielded prints of comparable quality to those made with printer
manufacturer inks. Of the clones, only the OA100 inks for the Canon
produced photos significantly worse than those made with a brand-name ink.

But some inks, even those that made good-looking pictures, didn't always
work well. All three aftermarket black inks for the Epson C82--OA100
(purchased from PrintPal <http://www.printpal.com/welcome.html>), G&G
(from Computer Friends <http://www.cfriends.com/>), and the no-name ink
whose package had only a rainbow logo (also from Computer
Friends)--plugged up the printhead nozzles so quickly and consistently
that we had to abort some of our tests. But the color inks from these
three companies all worked well in the Epson printer. (We bought a
fourth brand of aftermarket ink, Print-Rite, for the C82 but dropped it
from our tests, as the printer wouldn't install any of the cartridges.)

Clogs and Messes

Several OA100 cartridges purchased from PrintPal, most notably the black
and cyan, frequently plugged the nozzles on the Canon S900's printhead,
causing wide blank stripes in documents.

The HP DeskJet 3820's cartridges integrate the printhead and ink supply
in one unit that can't be replicated legally, so third-party vendors
simply refill used 3820 cartridges. A Printek cartridge we bought from
PrintPal had no ink in the magenta tank, but we were able to complete
our quality and yield tests with other cartridges. Wilhelm was unable to
print all four colors satisfactorily with any of the Printek cartridges
from PrintPal, but was able to test the same brand of cartridges from
another vendor, Top Inkjet <http://www.topinkjet.com/>.

We also tried refilling our own HP cartridges with an InkTec kit that we
bought from Print Country <http://www.printcountry.com/>. What a mess!
It dripped ink everywhere, but when we finally refilled our cartridges
the ink made decent-quality prints. At Wilhelm Imaging Research,
however, the prints produced using the kit were so poor in quality that
Wilhelm did not test them for permanence.

And it was in permanence that third-party inks fell short.

Do-it-yourself refill kits offer the greatest savings, if you're willing
to brave the messy refill process

Often, aftermarket retailers buy prepackaged inks from
manufacturers--many of them in China--which makes it difficult for the
retailers to know exactly what they're getting. But some third-party ink
companies do exercise direct control over their products. Gary Miller,
Amazon Imaging's sales vice president, says his company makes its inks
and uses cartridges made of polypropylene, a high-quality material that
printer vendors use, instead of cheaper plastics that can damage the ink
if it's stored for several months.

*********************************************************************************************
Buying third-party ink online can be frustrating. Some retailers' Web
sites don't identify products by name, only by printer or cartridge
compatibility, so getting a steady supply of an ink you like can be a
challenge. Computer Friends, whose generic inks are unidentified on its
Web site, sent us G&G ink to fill most of our initial order for Epson
C82-compatible ink but completed the order later with a different brand.
*********************************************************************************************

Worth the Risks?

In the meantime, judging from our experience, finding a reasonably
priced substitute for brand-name ink can be a risky business. If top
quality and print longevity aren't of paramount importance, you can save
money using no-name inks--but you may have to spend a lot of time
cleaning clogged printheads. Still, some users may find the savings
justify the hassles.

If print quality--and especially durability--are a top concern, however,
you're better off playing it safe by gritting your teeth and shelling
out for brand-name inks.
 
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Willhelms tests were done some time ago with ink brands (labels if you
prefer) that none of the people reporting on this NG use. I would welcome
similar tests done by Wilhelm or a similar reputable testing firm comparing
Canon OEM inks vs. Formulabs and MIS inks among others. Measekite quotes
his famous successful "prints laying on his desk for nine months" fade test
with prints done with Canon OEM inks and I can attest to the fact that
prints I have made with MIS inks that are hanging on my wall or displayed in
albums have passed the same test successfully. The prints with these inks
compare very favorably with OEM inks in a side-by-side comparison.

Measekite and I are in agreement that some third party products can cause
problems with print heads. What he doesn't like to acknowledge is that some
third party inks are quite good, have been purchased and used by the people
he demeans by calling us the aftermarket club, and have been purchased over
a period of years from vendors who have proven to be very reliable. He is
relentless in posting negatives about our very positive experience with
third party products and then accuses us of proseltyzing for their use when
we respond to his negatives or answer questions posed on this NG about such
products. Now that I have responded I assume he will proceed to lay out his
liteny of rants about Brand name vs. labels and call the vendors his
usual-innuendo laden, mean-spirited names. Can I save you the trouble and
time of responding, Measekite, by just referring people to your numerous
previous postings about this issue?

"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eeake.293$rY6.35@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of the
> AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>
> We found that third-party inks can save you money, and that some produce
> prints on a par with the output of printer vendor inks. But we also
> encountered third-party inks that produced poor-quality prints and clogged
> up printheads. The impact of generic inks on printer warranties is
> ambiguous. And if you frequently print photographs, you should steer clear
> of these inks: The prints might look fine, but Wilhelm reported that none
> of the clone inks he tested came close to matching the permanence of
> brand-name inks.
>
>
> Third-party vendors have already grabbed more than 16 percent of cartridge
> sales, Forrest says, and that percentage is growing. Printer vendors
> contend that third-party inks can cause myriad problems--some of which,
> they say, may surface only after prolonged use of the generics--ranging
> from poor print quality and durability to printer damage. Third-party
> vendors counter that printer companies simply want to scare consumers out
> of straying from the branded inks, which the third-parties claim are
> overpriced in order to subsidize the artificially inexpensive printers.
>
> In general, most of the third-party inks printed text on plain paper as
> decently as the printer manufacturers' cartridges did . Results weren't as
> good for high-resolution shots on the printer vendors' long-lasting photo
> papers, but four out of the nine aftermarket brands we tested--Amazon
> Imaging's ink for the Canon, G&G's ink for the Epson, and Carrot Ink's
> cartridge and InkTec's cartridge-refill kit for the HP--yielded prints of
> comparable quality to those made with printer manufacturer inks. Of the
> clones, only the OA100 inks for the Canon produced photos significantly
> worse than those made with a brand-name ink.
>
> But some inks, even those that made good-looking pictures, didn't always
> work well. All three aftermarket black inks for the Epson C82--OA100
> (purchased from PrintPal <http://www.printpal.com/welcome.html>), G&G
> (from Computer Friends <http://www.cfriends.com/>), and the no-name ink
> whose package had only a rainbow logo (also from Computer
> Friends)--plugged up the printhead nozzles so quickly and consistently
> that we had to abort some of our tests. But the color inks from these
> three companies all worked well in the Epson printer. (We bought a fourth
> brand of aftermarket ink, Print-Rite, for the C82 but dropped it from our
> tests, as the printer wouldn't install any of the cartridges.)
>
> Clogs and Messes
>
> Several OA100 cartridges purchased from PrintPal, most notably the black
> and cyan, frequently plugged the nozzles on the Canon S900's printhead,
> causing wide blank stripes in documents.
>
> The HP DeskJet 3820's cartridges integrate the printhead and ink supply in
> one unit that can't be replicated legally, so third-party vendors simply
> refill used 3820 cartridges. A Printek cartridge we bought from PrintPal
> had no ink in the magenta tank, but we were able to complete our quality
> and yield tests with other cartridges. Wilhelm was unable to print all
> four colors satisfactorily with any of the Printek cartridges from
> PrintPal, but was able to test the same brand of cartridges from another
> vendor, Top Inkjet <http://www.topinkjet.com/>.
>
> We also tried refilling our own HP cartridges with an InkTec kit that we
> bought from Print Country <http://www.printcountry.com/>. What a mess! It
> dripped ink everywhere, but when we finally refilled our cartridges the
> ink made decent-quality prints. At Wilhelm Imaging Research, however, the
> prints produced using the kit were so poor in quality that Wilhelm did not
> test them for permanence.
>
> And it was in permanence that third-party inks fell short.
>
> Do-it-yourself refill kits offer the greatest savings, if you're willing
> to brave the messy refill process
>
> Often, aftermarket retailers buy prepackaged inks from manufacturers--many
> of them in China--which makes it difficult for the retailers to know
> exactly what they're getting. But some third-party ink companies do
> exercise direct control over their products. Gary Miller, Amazon Imaging's
> sales vice president, says his company makes its inks and uses cartridges
> made of polypropylene, a high-quality material that printer vendors use,
> instead of cheaper plastics that can damage the ink if it's stored for
> several months.
>
> *********************************************************************************************
> Buying third-party ink online can be frustrating. Some retailers' Web
> sites don't identify products by name, only by printer or cartridge
> compatibility, so getting a steady supply of an ink you like can be a
> challenge. Computer Friends, whose generic inks are unidentified on its
> Web site, sent us G&G ink to fill most of our initial order for Epson
> C82-compatible ink but completed the order later with a different brand.
> *********************************************************************************************
>
> Worth the Risks?
>
> In the meantime, judging from our experience, finding a reasonably priced
> substitute for brand-name ink can be a risky business. If top quality and
> print longevity aren't of paramount importance, you can save money using
> no-name inks--but you may have to spend a lot of time cleaning clogged
> printheads. Still, some users may find the savings justify the hassles.
>
> If print quality--and especially durability--are a top concern, however,
> you're better off playing it safe by gritting your teeth and shelling out
> for brand-name inks.
>
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eeake.293$rY6.35@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of the
> AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>
> We found that third-party inks can save you money, and that some produce
> prints on a par with the output of printer vendor inks. But we also
> encountered third-party inks that produced poor-quality prints and
> clogged up printheads.

Well I haven't seen these problems with the ink I've been using for 6 years
but..

The moral of the story is to buy two printers....

1) An expensive photo printer model which you only use for photos and which
you fit with the manufacturers ink carts.

2) A chepo printer from a company like HP (heads built into carts) that you
refill and use for all your text and general printing.

The money you save using third party ink in 2) should help pay for 1) but I
haven't done the sums.
 
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For the open minded.

"CAN be frustrating"
"SOME retailers' Web sites"
"CAN cause myriad problems"
"SOME inks, even those that made good-looking pictures"
"CAN be a risky business"

Lots of "Can's" and "Some's" here - no absolutes in the entire excerpt.
No surprise of course, many of us repeatedly say that there are good and there
are bad. Choose the reputable suppliers and you will be no worse off than you
are with OEM inks, but you will save money! The real cost of ownership for an
inkjet printer is extremely high and saving money is a non trivial endeavour.

PC World is no less open to persuasion from OEM vendors than any other
publication, we don't know who prompted this article.
As in all things read both sides of the story and make a balanced judgement.
One article does not a gospel make!

Tony
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eeake.293$rY6.35@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of the
> AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂

Anyone who wants to read the original article - its here
http://yahoo.pcworld.com/yahoo/article/0,aid,111767,00.asp - measekite must
of missed the part that says "Copying, reproduction, retransmission, or
redistribution of any material contained in this PCWorld.com area in whole
or in part or in any medium or form is prohibited without express
permission."
 
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Ivor Floppy wrote:
> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eeake.293$rY6.35@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of the
>>AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>
>
> Anyone who wants to read the original article - its here
> http://yahoo.pcworld.com/yahoo/article/0,aid,111767,00.asp - measekite must
> of missed the part that says "Copying, reproduction, retransmission, or
> redistribution of any material contained in this PCWorld.com area in whole
> or in part or in any medium or form is prohibited without express
> permission."
>
>
Copyright laws don't make any sense to this moron, nor did the article
when he tried to read it.
I've kill filed him but I can assure you his childish, immature and
obscene replies will be forthcoming.
Frank
 
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CWatters wrote:

>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:eeake.293$rY6.35@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of the
>>AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>>
>>We found that third-party inks can save you money, and that some produce
>>prints on a par with the output of printer vendor inks. But we also
>>encountered third-party inks that produced poor-quality prints and
>>clogged up printheads.
>>
>>
>
>Well I haven't seen these problems with the ink I've been using for 6 years
>but..
>
>The moral of the story is to buy two printers....
>
>1) An expensive photo printer model which you only use for photos and which
>you fit with the manufacturers ink carts.
>
>2) A chepo printer from a company like HP (heads built into carts) that you
>refill and use for all your text and general printing.
>
>The money you save using third party ink in 2) should help pay for 1) but I
>haven't done the sums.
>
>

The problem with that is most people use more ink for photo printing.

>
>
>
>
 
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Tony wrote:

>For the open minded.
>
>"CAN be frustrating"
>"SOME retailers' Web sites"
>"CAN cause myriad problems"
>"SOME inks, even those that made good-looking pictures"
>"CAN be a risky business"
>
>Lots of "Can's" and "Some's" here - no absolutes in the entire excerpt.
>No surprise of course, many of us repeatedly say that there are good and there
>are bad. Choose the reputable suppliers
>

Suppliers that will not put (in writing on their websites) what they are
selling you and just all their product compatible are not all that
reputable. You never know what you are getting and if you are getting
the same thing as the previous order.

>and you will be no worse off than you
>are with OEM inks,
>

provided you do not have a head clog. If your print fades somewhat
earlier just print another.

>but you will save money! The real cost of ownership for an
>inkjet printer is extremely high and saving money is a non trivial endeavour.
>
>PC World is no less open to persuasion from OEM vendors than any other
>publication, we don't know who prompted this article.
>As in all things read both sides of the story and make a balanced judgement.
>One article does not a gospel make!
>
>Tony
>
>

There is no reputable other side. There are no really independent head
on comparative review by a reputable organization. Consumer Reports may
be one but they have not done an appropriate study. All we have is
about 6 to 12 tinkerers known as the AfterMarket Club who have had some
independent experiences and most claim not to have had trouble.
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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(snip)

> Suppliers that will not put (in writing on their websites) what they are
> selling you

Wrong - Alotofthings states very clearly that they use Formulabs but you
disparage them without ever having done business with them.


and just all their product compatible are not all that
> reputable. You never know what you are getting and if you are getting the
> same thing as the previous order.
>
>>and you will be no worse off than you are with OEM inks,
>
> provided you do not have a head clog. If your print fades somewhat
> earlier just print another.
>
>>but you will save money! The real cost of ownership for an inkjet printer
>>is extremely high and saving money is a non trivial endeavour.
>>
>>PC World is no less open to persuasion from OEM vendors than any other
>>publication, we don't know who prompted this article.
>>As in all things read both sides of the story and make a balanced
>>judgement. One article does not a gospel make!
>>
>>Tony
>>
>
> There is no reputable other side. There are no really independent head on
> comparative review by a reputable organization. Consumer Reports may be
> one but they have not done an appropriate study. All we have is about 6
> to 12 tinkerers

Tinkerers - Measekite's disparaging term for successful users of third party
inks/carts

6 to 12 third party users reporting successful use as opposed to one
Measekite who has never used any of these third party ink/cart products but
delights in putting down the vendors, products, and people who use them in
an effort to discourage others.

>known as the AfterMarket Club

Aftermarket club - Measekite's disparaging term for users of aftermarket ink
and carts

> who have had some

Wrong - considerable experience, not "some" experience. Many years of use by
several peoples on this NG.

> independent experiences and most claim not to have had trouble.

Wrong - all have had no more problems with selected third party products
than experienced with OEM inks/carts

Measekite's monologue continues!!!!
 
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measekite wrote:

>
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>
>> measekite wrote:
>>
>>> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of
>>> the AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>>>
>>
>> And "we" should believe it like you're quoting some unarguable fact.
>
>
>
> I guess the "we" is an ommission that you are a member also.

I don't know what your problem is to people saving money and getting
satisfactory print results. Is it jealousy? Do you envy the fact that
I'm doing it and you can't? Does it bother you that I stick all kinds
of "unknown substances" in my printer and still manage to keep printing?
Do you wish you had the guts? Why are you trying to force me to use OEM
inks if I don't want to? Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
explanatory? Because I personally don't give a damn what you stick in
your goddam little used printer.

Those who use 3rd party inks have long ago compared results with OEM
inks and discovered that the differences were either not there or were
small enough that they didn't justify using OEM ink that cost a hell of
a lot more. As I have said many times ... I can refill with bulk ink at
a cost of $5 (for all 5 cartridges) or buy 5 cartridges at a cost of
$125 (Wal-Mart) Canadian dollars. The difference in print output is very
small to negligible, and certainly not worth the $120 difference - or
more that half the cost of my printer. Half the cost of the printer is
pure theft on the part of Canon. I don't like my pockets being picked.
Charge me a reasonable price and I'll buy OEM ink. What is reasonable?
Hmmmmm..... $5 CDN a cartridge, or about $4 US. At that rate it's about
10% of the cost of the printer (with Canadian taxes). That's fair.

>
>>
>> You're about 10 years behind us in research, "Mr. Research Analyst."
>>
>> There's nothing here that those of us who have been refilling or buying
>> generics for the last 10 YEARS
>
>
> Since you were 7?

No, but your juvenile response to a serious argument shows us your IQ.

-Taliesyn
 
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Taliesyn wrote:
> measekite wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Taliesyn wrote:
>>
>>> measekite wrote:
>>>
>>>> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of
>>>> the AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>>>>
>>>
>>> And "we" should believe it like you're quoting some unarguable fact.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess the "we" is an ommission that you are a member also.
>
>
> I don't know what your problem is to people saving money and getting
> satisfactory print results. Is it jealousy? Do you envy the fact that
> I'm doing it and you can't? Does it bother you that I stick all kinds
> of "unknown substances" in my printer and still manage to keep printing?
> Do you wish you had the guts? Why are you trying to force me to use OEM
> inks if I don't want to? Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
> explanatory? Because I personally don't give a damn what you stick in
> your goddam little used printer.
>
> Those who use 3rd party inks have long ago compared results with OEM
> inks and discovered that the differences were either not there or were
> small enough that they didn't justify using OEM ink that cost a hell of
> a lot more. As I have said many times ... I can refill with bulk ink at
> a cost of $5 (for all 5 cartridges) or buy 5 cartridges at a cost of
> $125 (Wal-Mart) Canadian dollars. The difference in print output is very
> small to negligible, and certainly not worth the $120 difference - or
> more that half the cost of my printer. Half the cost of the printer is
> pure theft on the part of Canon. I don't like my pockets being picked.
> Charge me a reasonable price and I'll buy OEM ink. What is reasonable?
> Hmmmmm..... $5 CDN a cartridge, or about $4 US. At that rate it's about
> 10% of the cost of the printer (with Canadian taxes). That's fair.
>
>>
>>>
>>> You're about 10 years behind us in research, "Mr. Research Analyst."
>>>
>>> There's nothing here that those of us who have been refilling or buying
>>> generics for the last 10 YEARS
>>
>>
>>
>> Since you were 7?
>
>
> No, but your juvenile response to a serious argument shows us your IQ.
>
> -Taliesyn

Hey Taliesyn, this guy is a real sicko, wacko moron. Nobody believes any
of his bullshit.
Frank
 
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Burt wrote:

>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Cqlke.617$rY6.584@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>(snip)
>
>
>
>>Suppliers that will not put (in writing on their websites) what they are
>>selling you
>>
>>
>
>Wrong - Alotofthings states very clearly that they use Formulabs but you
>disparage them without ever having done business with them.
>
>
> and just all their product compatible are not all that
>
>
>>reputable. You never know what you are getting and if you are getting the
>>same thing as the previous order.
>>
>>
>>
>>>and you will be no worse off than you are with OEM inks,
>>>
>>>
>>provided you do not have a head clog. If your print fades somewhat
>>earlier just print another.
>>
>>
>>
>>>but you will save money! The real cost of ownership for an inkjet printer
>>>is extremely high and saving money is a non trivial endeavour.
>>>
>>>PC World is no less open to persuasion from OEM vendors than any other
>>>publication, we don't know who prompted this article.
>>>As in all things read both sides of the story and make a balanced
>>>judgement. One article does not a gospel make!
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>There is no reputable other side. There are no really independent head on
>>comparative review by a reputable organization. Consumer Reports may be
>>one but they have not done an appropriate study. All we have is about 6
>>to 12 tinkerers
>>
>>
>
>Tinkerers - Measekite's disparaging term for successful users of third party
>inks/carts
>
>6 to 12 third party users reporting successful use as opposed to one
>Measekite who has never used any of these third party ink/cart products but
>delights in putting down the vendors, products, and people who use them in
>an effort to discourage others.
>
>

ATTENTION NEW NG READERS:

If you track all of these success stories about AfterMarket inks on this
NG over a 2 to 3 week period of time you will find that all of these
success stories come from a handful of tinkerers that I have
collectively called the AfterMarket Club. Burt is their president and
Frankie is their parrot.

>
>
>>known as the AfterMarket Club
>>
>>
>
>Aftermarket club - Measekite's disparaging term for users of aftermarket ink
>and carts
>
>
>
>>who have had some
>>
>>
>
>Wrong - considerable experience, not "some" experience. Many years of use by
>several peoples on this NG.
>
>
>
>>independent experiences and most claim not to have had trouble.
>>
>>
>
>Wrong - all have had no more problems with selected third party products
>than experienced with OEM inks/carts
>
>Measekite's monologue continues!!!!
>
>
>
>
 
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Frank wrote:

> Ivor Floppy wrote:
>
>> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eeake.293$rY6.35@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of
>>> the AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone who wants to read the original article - its here
>> http://yahoo.pcworld.com/yahoo/article/0,aid,111767,00.asp -
>> measekite must of missed the part that says "Copying, reproduction,
>> retransmission, or redistribution of any material contained in this
>> PCWorld.com area in whole or in part or in any medium or form is
>> prohibited without express permission."
>>
>>
> Copyright laws don't make any sense to this moron, nor did the article
> when he tried to read it.
> I've kill filed him but I can assure you his childish, immature and
> obscene replies will be forthcoming.
> Frank


Frankie Crankie's mom respects the copyright law. There is only one of
him. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-D
 
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You need to learn to attribute your quotes. If you are going to lift a
copyrighted article, the least you should do (better is getting
permission, if possible) is to state where the information came from and
the author, is given.

measekite wrote:

> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of the
> AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>
> We found that third-party inks can save you money, and that some produce
> prints on a par with the output of printer vendor inks. But we also
> encountered third-party inks that produced poor-quality prints and
> clogged up printheads. The impact of generic inks on printer warranties
> is ambiguous. And if you frequently print photographs, you should steer
> clear of these inks: The prints might look fine, but Wilhelm reported
> that none of the clone inks he tested came close to matching the
> permanence of brand-name inks.
>
>
> Third-party vendors have already grabbed more than 16 percent of
> cartridge sales, Forrest says, and that percentage is growing. Printer
> vendors contend that third-party inks can cause myriad problems--some of
> which, they say, may surface only after prolonged use of the
> generics--ranging from poor print quality and durability to printer
> damage. Third-party vendors counter that printer companies simply want
> to scare consumers out of straying from the branded inks, which the
> third-parties claim are overpriced in order to subsidize the
> artificially inexpensive printers.
>
> In general, most of the third-party inks printed text on plain paper as
> decently as the printer manufacturers' cartridges did . Results weren't
> as good for high-resolution shots on the printer vendors' long-lasting
> photo papers, but four out of the nine aftermarket brands we
> tested--Amazon Imaging's ink for the Canon, G&G's ink for the Epson, and
> Carrot Ink's cartridge and InkTec's cartridge-refill kit for the
> HP--yielded prints of comparable quality to those made with printer
> manufacturer inks. Of the clones, only the OA100 inks for the Canon
> produced photos significantly worse than those made with a brand-name ink.
>
> But some inks, even those that made good-looking pictures, didn't always
> work well. All three aftermarket black inks for the Epson C82--OA100
> (purchased from PrintPal <http://www.printpal.com/welcome.html>), G&G
> (from Computer Friends <http://www.cfriends.com/>), and the no-name ink
> whose package had only a rainbow logo (also from Computer
> Friends)--plugged up the printhead nozzles so quickly and consistently
> that we had to abort some of our tests. But the color inks from these
> three companies all worked well in the Epson printer. (We bought a
> fourth brand of aftermarket ink, Print-Rite, for the C82 but dropped it
> from our tests, as the printer wouldn't install any of the cartridges.)
>
> Clogs and Messes
>
> Several OA100 cartridges purchased from PrintPal, most notably the black
> and cyan, frequently plugged the nozzles on the Canon S900's printhead,
> causing wide blank stripes in documents.
>
> The HP DeskJet 3820's cartridges integrate the printhead and ink supply
> in one unit that can't be replicated legally, so third-party vendors
> simply refill used 3820 cartridges. A Printek cartridge we bought from
> PrintPal had no ink in the magenta tank, but we were able to complete
> our quality and yield tests with other cartridges. Wilhelm was unable to
> print all four colors satisfactorily with any of the Printek cartridges
> from PrintPal, but was able to test the same brand of cartridges from
> another vendor, Top Inkjet <http://www.topinkjet.com/>.
>
> We also tried refilling our own HP cartridges with an InkTec kit that we
> bought from Print Country <http://www.printcountry.com/>. What a mess!
> It dripped ink everywhere, but when we finally refilled our cartridges
> the ink made decent-quality prints. At Wilhelm Imaging Research,
> however, the prints produced using the kit were so poor in quality that
> Wilhelm did not test them for permanence.
>
> And it was in permanence that third-party inks fell short.
>
> Do-it-yourself refill kits offer the greatest savings, if you're willing
> to brave the messy refill process
>
> Often, aftermarket retailers buy prepackaged inks from
> manufacturers--many of them in China--which makes it difficult for the
> retailers to know exactly what they're getting. But some third-party ink
> companies do exercise direct control over their products. Gary Miller,
> Amazon Imaging's sales vice president, says his company makes its inks
> and uses cartridges made of polypropylene, a high-quality material that
> printer vendors use, instead of cheaper plastics that can damage the ink
> if it's stored for several months.
>
> *********************************************************************************************
>
> Buying third-party ink online can be frustrating. Some retailers' Web
> sites don't identify products by name, only by printer or cartridge
> compatibility, so getting a steady supply of an ink you like can be a
> challenge. Computer Friends, whose generic inks are unidentified on its
> Web site, sent us G&G ink to fill most of our initial order for Epson
> C82-compatible ink but completed the order later with a different brand.
> *********************************************************************************************
>
>
> Worth the Risks?
>
> In the meantime, judging from our experience, finding a reasonably
> priced substitute for brand-name ink can be a risky business. If top
> quality and print longevity aren't of paramount importance, you can save
> money using no-name inks--but you may have to spend a lot of time
> cleaning clogged printheads. Still, some users may find the savings
> justify the hassles.
>
> If print quality--and especially durability--are a top concern, however,
> you're better off playing it safe by gritting your teeth and shelling
> out for brand-name inks.
>
 
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The attribution should be in the body of the message, not just in the
subject in the header.

Art

measekite wrote:

> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of the
> AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>
> We found that third-party inks can save you money, and that some produce
> prints on a par with the output of printer vendor inks. But we also
> encountered third-party inks that produced poor-quality prints and
> clogged up printheads. The impact of generic inks on printer warranties
> is ambiguous. And if you frequently print photographs, you should steer
> clear of these inks: The prints might look fine, but Wilhelm reported
> that none of the clone inks he tested came close to matching the
> permanence of brand-name inks.
>
>CUT<
 
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Arthur Entlich wrote:

> You need to learn to attribute your quotes. If you are going to lift
> a copyrighted article, the least you should do (better is getting
> permission, if possible) is to state where the information came from
> and the author, is given.


Look at the header

>
> measekite wrote:
>
>> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of
>> the AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>>
>> We found that third-party inks can save you money, and that some
>> produce prints on a par with the output of printer vendor inks. But
>> we also encountered third-party inks that produced poor-quality
>> prints and clogged up printheads. The impact of generic inks on
>> printer warranties is ambiguous. And if you frequently print
>> photographs, you should steer clear of these inks: The prints might
>> look fine, but Wilhelm reported that none of the clone inks he tested
>> came close to matching the permanence of brand-name inks.
>>
>>
>> Third-party vendors have already grabbed more than 16 percent of
>> cartridge sales, Forrest says, and that percentage is growing.
>> Printer vendors contend that third-party inks can cause myriad
>> problems--some of which, they say, may surface only after prolonged
>> use of the generics--ranging from poor print quality and durability
>> to printer damage. Third-party vendors counter that printer companies
>> simply want to scare consumers out of straying from the branded inks,
>> which the third-parties claim are overpriced in order to subsidize
>> the artificially inexpensive printers.
>>
>> In general, most of the third-party inks printed text on plain paper
>> as decently as the printer manufacturers' cartridges did . Results
>> weren't as good for high-resolution shots on the printer vendors'
>> long-lasting photo papers, but four out of the nine aftermarket
>> brands we tested--Amazon Imaging's ink for the Canon, G&G's ink for
>> the Epson, and Carrot Ink's cartridge and InkTec's cartridge-refill
>> kit for the HP--yielded prints of comparable quality to those made
>> with printer manufacturer inks. Of the clones, only the OA100 inks
>> for the Canon produced photos significantly worse than those made
>> with a brand-name ink.
>>
>> But some inks, even those that made good-looking pictures, didn't
>> always work well. All three aftermarket black inks for the Epson
>> C82--OA100 (purchased from PrintPal
>> <http://www.printpal.com/welcome.html>), G&G (from Computer Friends
>> <http://www.cfriends.com/>), and the no-name ink whose package had
>> only a rainbow logo (also from Computer Friends)--plugged up the
>> printhead nozzles so quickly and consistently that we had to abort
>> some of our tests. But the color inks from these three companies all
>> worked well in the Epson printer. (We bought a fourth brand of
>> aftermarket ink, Print-Rite, for the C82 but dropped it from our
>> tests, as the printer wouldn't install any of the cartridges.)
>>
>> Clogs and Messes
>>
>> Several OA100 cartridges purchased from PrintPal, most notably the
>> black and cyan, frequently plugged the nozzles on the Canon S900's
>> printhead, causing wide blank stripes in documents.
>>
>> The HP DeskJet 3820's cartridges integrate the printhead and ink
>> supply in one unit that can't be replicated legally, so third-party
>> vendors simply refill used 3820 cartridges. A Printek cartridge we
>> bought from PrintPal had no ink in the magenta tank, but we were able
>> to complete our quality and yield tests with other cartridges.
>> Wilhelm was unable to print all four colors satisfactorily with any
>> of the Printek cartridges from PrintPal, but was able to test the
>> same brand of cartridges from another vendor, Top Inkjet
>> <http://www.topinkjet.com/>.
>>
>> We also tried refilling our own HP cartridges with an InkTec kit that
>> we bought from Print Country <http://www.printcountry.com/>. What a
>> mess! It dripped ink everywhere, but when we finally refilled our
>> cartridges the ink made decent-quality prints. At Wilhelm Imaging
>> Research, however, the prints produced using the kit were so poor in
>> quality that Wilhelm did not test them for permanence.
>>
>> And it was in permanence that third-party inks fell short.
>>
>> Do-it-yourself refill kits offer the greatest savings, if you're
>> willing to brave the messy refill process
>>
>> Often, aftermarket retailers buy prepackaged inks from
>> manufacturers--many of them in China--which makes it difficult for
>> the retailers to know exactly what they're getting. But some
>> third-party ink companies do exercise direct control over their
>> products. Gary Miller, Amazon Imaging's sales vice president, says
>> his company makes its inks and uses cartridges made of polypropylene,
>> a high-quality material that printer vendors use, instead of cheaper
>> plastics that can damage the ink if it's stored for several months.
>>
>> *********************************************************************************************
>>
>> Buying third-party ink online can be frustrating. Some retailers' Web
>> sites don't identify products by name, only by printer or cartridge
>> compatibility, so getting a steady supply of an ink you like can be a
>> challenge. Computer Friends, whose generic inks are unidentified on
>> its Web site, sent us G&G ink to fill most of our initial order for
>> Epson C82-compatible ink but completed the order later with a
>> different brand.
>> *********************************************************************************************
>>
>>
>> Worth the Risks?
>>
>> In the meantime, judging from our experience, finding a reasonably
>> priced substitute for brand-name ink can be a risky business. If top
>> quality and print longevity aren't of paramount importance, you can
>> save money using no-name inks--but you may have to spend a lot of
>> time cleaning clogged printheads. Still, some users may find the
>> savings justify the hassles.
>>
>> If print quality--and especially durability--are a top concern,
>> however, you're better off playing it safe by gritting your teeth and
>> shelling out for brand-name inks.
>>
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EJnke.653$rY6.135@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
(snip)
>>
>
> ATTENTION NEW NG READERS:
>
> If you track all of these success stories about AfterMarket inks on this
> NG over a 2 to 3 week period of time you will find that all of these
> success stories come from a handful of tinkerers that I have collectively
> called the AfterMarket Club. Burt is their president and Frankie is their
> parrot.
>
(snip)

Since Measekite is calling your attention to this issue, you should
absolutely follow his advice and review all of his posts regarding
aftermarket products. You will find that he has never done business with
the vendors he vilifies nor has he ever used any of their products. You
will find very few posts from people that can absolutely attribute their
printer problems to use the third party products (except in the case of some
of the Epson pigmented inks). You will find the majority of his responses,
when he runs out of reasonable comments, to be obscene and child-like - more
like a school yard bully than a reasonable adult. Please read posts from
Arthur Entlich, Tony, Taliesyn, and Ron Cohen for a more balanced view by
people with years of experience with third party inks and carts. You will
also notice that the vast majority of my posts on this issue are responses
to Measekite's mean-spirited, subjective rants on this subject and are
efforts to give a more balanced, informative view based on my actual
experience. His is a one-man campaign to do battle with anyone who reports
success with select vendors and their products.
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8Nnke.656$rY6.350@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Frank wrote:
>
>> Ivor Floppy wrote:
>>
>>> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eeake.293$rY6.35@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of
>>>> the AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone who wants to read the original article - its here
>>> http://yahoo.pcworld.com/yahoo/article/0,aid,111767,00.asp - measekite
>>> must of missed the part that says "Copying, reproduction,
>>> retransmission, or redistribution of any material contained in this
>>> PCWorld.com area in whole or in part or in any medium or form is
>>> prohibited without express permission."
>>>
>>>
>> Copyright laws don't make any sense to this moron, nor did the article
>> when he tried to read it.
>> I've kill filed him but I can assure you his childish, immature and
>> obscene replies will be forthcoming.
>> Frank
>
>
> Frankie Crankie's mom respects the copyright law. There is only one of
> him. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-D

For those new to this NG, this is another example of Measekite's childish
responses. Consider the source in reading his advice on this NG.
 
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Better yet, it is more than sufficient to post the link and let people read
it for themselves rather than "cherry-pick" the article to support your
viewpoint and possibly misquote the article when copying the portion you
post.

"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:BXnke.1456708$8l.1012942@pd7tw1no...
> The attribution should be in the body of the message, not just in the
> subject in the header.
>
> Art
>
> measekite wrote:
>
>> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of the
>> AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>>
>> We found that third-party inks can save you money, and that some produce
>> prints on a par with the output of printer vendor inks. But we also
>> encountered third-party inks that produced poor-quality prints and
>> clogged up printheads. The impact of generic inks on printer warranties
>> is ambiguous. And if you frequently print photographs, you should steer
>> clear of these inks: The prints might look fine, but Wilhelm reported
>> that none of the clone inks he tested came close to matching the
>> permanence of brand-name inks.
>> CUT<
 
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Burt wrote:

>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:EJnke.653$rY6.135@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>(snip)
>
>
>>ATTENTION NEW NG READERS:
>>
>>If you track all of these success stories about AfterMarket inks on this
>>NG over a 2 to 3 week period of time you will find that all of these
>>success stories come from a handful of tinkerers that I have collectively
>>called the AfterMarket Club. Burt is their president and Frankie is their
>>parrot.
>>
>>
>>
>(snip)
>
>Since Measekite is calling your attention to this issue, you should
>absolutely follow his advice and review all of his posts regarding
>aftermarket products. You will find that he has never done business with
>the vendors he vilifies nor has he ever used any of their products. You
>will find very few posts from people that can absolutely attribute their
>printer problems to use the third party products
>

THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT!

> (except in the case of some
>of the Epson pigmented inks). You will find the majority of his responses,
>when he runs out of reasonable comments, to be obscene and child-like - more
>like a school yard bully than a reasonable adult. Please read posts from
>Arthur Entlich, Tony, Taliesyn, and Ron Cohen for a more balanced view by
>people with years of experience with third party inks and carts.
>

Are they a few of your Club Members? And some card carrying members of
the AFTERMARKET Club are actual vendors. Since I exposed they they have
not posted much. I wonder why.

>You will
>also notice that the vast majority of my posts on this issue are responses
>to Measekite's mean-spirited, subjective rants on this subject and are
>efforts to give a more balanced, informative view based on my actual
>experience. His is a one-man campaign to do battle with anyone who reports
>success with select vendors and their products.
>
>

I never disputed that you are satisfied with MIS 3rdparty inks and are
content to buy a black box. You know that everytime you order from
inksupply you can never be sure you are getting what you had before.
Just sit on your pompous ass and espout your evangical bullshit.

>
>
>
 
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When is the Reverend going to put me in his delete file? The old fart
has nothing better to do.

Burt wrote:

>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8Nnke.656$rY6.350@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Ivor Floppy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:eeake.293$rY6.35@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of
>>>>>the AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here. 🙂
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Anyone who wants to read the original article - its here
>>>>http://yahoo.pcworld.com/yahoo/article/0,aid,111767,00.asp - measekite
>>>>must of missed the part that says "Copying, reproduction,
>>>>retransmission, or redistribution of any material contained in this
>>>>PCWorld.com area in whole or in part or in any medium or form is
>>>>prohibited without express permission."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Copyright laws don't make any sense to this moron, nor did the article
>>>when he tried to read it.
>>>I've kill filed him but I can assure you his childish, immature and
>>>obscene replies will be forthcoming.
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>Frankie Crankie's mom respects the copyright law. There is only one of
>>him. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-D
>>
>>
>
>For those new to this NG, this is another example of Measekite's childish
>responses. Consider the source in reading his advice on this NG.
>
>
>
>
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Q6qke.770$rY6.122@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Burt wrote:
>
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:EJnke.653$rY6.135@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>>ATTENTION NEW NG READERS:
>>>
>>>If you track all of these success stories about AfterMarket inks on this
>>>NG over a 2 to 3 week period of time you will find that all of these
>>>success stories come from a handful of tinkerers that I have collectively
>>>called the AfterMarket Club. Burt is their president and Frankie is
>>>their parrot.
>>>
>>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>Since Measekite is calling your attention to this issue, you should
>>absolutely follow his advice and review all of his posts regarding
>>aftermarket products. You will find that he has never done business with
>>the vendors he vilifies nor has he ever used any of their products. You
>>will find very few posts from people that can absolutely attribute their
>>printer problems to use the third party products
>>
>
> THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT!
>
>> (except in the case of some of the Epson pigmented inks). You will find
>> the majority of his responses, when he runs out of reasonable comments,
>> to be obscene and child-like - more like a school yard bully than a
>> reasonable adult. Please read posts from Arthur Entlich, Tony, Taliesyn,
>> and Ron Cohen for a more balanced view by people with years of experience
>> with third party inks and carts.
>
> Are they a few of your Club Members? And some card carrying members of the
> AFTERMARKET Club are actual vendors. Since I exposed they they have not
> posted much. I wonder why.

We are so fortunate to have you exposing people! Who the hell are you? A
combination of the CIA and a sleazy tabloid radio talk host? None of these
people are vendors. You are so adamant in your views about your Canon i960
and OEM inks that we all suspect that YOU are the shill or vendor.
So---stop YOUR spamming. I just exposed you. (God forbid that we should
see you exposed!)
>
>>You will also notice that the vast majority of my posts on this issue are
>>responses to Measekite's mean-spirited, subjective rants on this subject
>>and are efforts to give a more balanced, informative view based on my
>>actual experience. His is a one-man campaign to do battle with anyone who
>>reports success with select vendors and their products.
>
> I never disputed that you are satisfied with MIS 3rdparty inks and are
> content to buy a black box. You know that everytime you order from
> inksupply you can never be sure you are getting what you had before. Just
> sit on your pompous ass and espout your evangical bullshit.

As expected, more school-yard, obscene comments when logic fails him.
>
>>
>>
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:m8qke.772$rY6.339@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> When is the Reverend going to put me in his delete file? The old fart has
> nothing better to do.

Too bad we have to follow your posts constantly to prevent your nonsensical
misinformation from appearing to be anything but your own rant from personal
bias.
>
> Burt wrote:
>
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:8Nnke.656$rY6.350@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ivor Floppy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:eeake.293$rY6.35@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members of
>>>>>>the AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said here.
>>>>>>🙂
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone who wants to read the original article - its here
>>>>>http://yahoo.pcworld.com/yahoo/article/0,aid,111767,00.asp - measekite
>>>>>must of missed the part that says "Copying, reproduction,
>>>>>retransmission, or redistribution of any material contained in this
>>>>>PCWorld.com area in whole or in part or in any medium or form is
>>>>>prohibited without express permission."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Copyright laws don't make any sense to this moron, nor did the article
>>>>when he tried to read it.
>>>>I've kill filed him but I can assure you his childish, immature and
>>>>obscene replies will be forthcoming.
>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>Frankie Crankie's mom respects the copyright law. There is only one of
>>>him. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-D
>>>
>>
>>For those new to this NG, this is another example of Measekite's childish
>>responses. Consider the source in reading his advice on this NG.
>>
>>
 
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Taliesyn wrote:

> measekite wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Taliesyn wrote:
>>
>>> measekite wrote:
>>>
>>>> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members
>>>> of the AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said
>>>> here. 🙂
>>>>
>>>
>>> And "we" should believe it like you're quoting some unarguable fact.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess the "we" is an ommission that you are a member also.
>
>
> I don't know what your problem is to people saving money and getting
> satisfactory print results. Is it jealousy? Do you envy the fact that
> I'm doing it and you can't?


You must me a young idiot. What is stopping me?

> Does it bother you that I stick all kinds
> of "unknown substances" in my printer and still manage to keep printing?


I do not care if you piss in the carts.

> Do you wish you had the guts? Why are you trying to force me to use OEM
> inks if I don't want to?

You can use what you want to. If you like doing business with these
hawkers. I guess if I printed that much I might have to consider
something also.

> Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
> explanatory? Because I personally don't give a damn what you stick in
> your goddam little used printer.


What makes you thing God dammed my printer. How do you know there is a
God. And if so you do not even know if God created man or Man created God.

>
> Those who use 3rd party inks have long ago compared results with OEM
> inks and discovered that the differences were either not there or were
> small enough that they didn't justify using OEM ink that cost a hell of
> a lot more.


I never said Canon, HP, and Epson inks were priced fair in relation to
the costs of production.

> As I have said many times ... I can refill with bulk ink at
> a cost of $5 (for all 5 cartridges) or buy 5 cartridges at a cost of
> $125 (Wal-Mart) Canadian dollars. The difference in print output is very
> small to negligible, and certainly not worth the $120 difference - or
> more that half the cost of my printer. Half the cost of the printer is
> pure theft on the part of Canon.


Yes it is. And don't forget about Epson and HP.

> I don't like my pockets being picked.


If she was beautifule and she picked real hard you might like it.

> Charge me a reasonable price and I'll buy OEM ink.


I agree with that.

> What is reasonable?
> Hmmmmm..... $5 CDN a cartridge, or about $4 US. At that rate it's about
> 10% of the cost of the printer (with Canadian taxes). That's fair.

So you would pay more than $1.00 a cart ($4.00 CN) for OEM ink. Must be
a reason for that.

I even think $5.00 US is fair.

>
>>
>>>
>>> You're about 10 years behind us in research, "Mr. Research Analyst."
>>>
>>> There's nothing here that those of us who have been refilling or buying
>>> generics for the last 10 YEARS
>>
>>
>>
>> Since you were 7?
>
>
> No, but your juvenile response to a serious argument shows us your IQ.
>
> -Taliesyn
 
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Frank wrote:

> Taliesyn wrote:
>
>> measekite wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Taliesyn wrote:
>>>
>>>> measekite wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This seems to sum it all up! Of course the card carrying members
>>>>> of the AfterMarket Club will not agree with most of what is said
>>>>> here. 🙂
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And "we" should believe it like you're quoting some unarguable fact.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess the "we" is an ommission that you are a member also.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know what your problem is to people saving money and getting
>> satisfactory print results. Is it jealousy? Do you envy the fact that
>> I'm doing it and you can't? Does it bother you that I stick all kinds
>> of "unknown substances" in my printer and still manage to keep printing?
>> Do you wish you had the guts? Why are you trying to force me to use OEM
>> inks if I don't want to? Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>> explanatory? Because I personally don't give a damn what you stick in
>> your goddam little used printer.
>>
>> Those who use 3rd party inks have long ago compared results with OEM
>> inks and discovered that the differences were either not there or were
>> small enough that they didn't justify using OEM ink that cost a hell of
>> a lot more. As I have said many times ... I can refill with bulk ink at
>> a cost of $5 (for all 5 cartridges) or buy 5 cartridges at a cost of
>> $125 (Wal-Mart) Canadian dollars. The difference in print output is very
>> small to negligible, and certainly not worth the $120 difference - or
>> more that half the cost of my printer. Half the cost of the printer is
>> pure theft on the part of Canon. I don't like my pockets being picked.
>> Charge me a reasonable price and I'll buy OEM ink. What is reasonable?
>> Hmmmmm..... $5 CDN a cartridge, or about $4 US. At that rate it's about
>> 10% of the cost of the printer (with Canadian taxes). That's fair.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're about 10 years behind us in research, "Mr. Research Analyst."
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing here that those of us who have been refilling or
>>>> buying
>>>> generics for the last 10 YEARS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you were 7?
>>
>>
>>
>> No, but your juvenile response to a serious argument shows us your IQ.
>>
>> -Taliesyn
>
>
> Hey Taliesyn, this guy is a real sicko, wacko moron. Nobody believes
> any of his bullshit.
> Frank

You are a PRICK