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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[..]

>> Hey Taliesyn, this guy is a real sicko, wacko moron. Nobody believes any
>> of his bullshit.
>> Frank

He's a typical usenet troll - when anything resembling a reasoned argument
fails; result to abuse.

> You are a PRICK

See what I mean?
 
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Ivor Floppy wrote:
> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:E6ske.833$rY6.349@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> [..]
>
>
>>>Hey Taliesyn, this guy is a real sicko, wacko moron. Nobody believes any
>>>of his bullshit.
>>>Frank
>
>
> He's a typical usenet troll - when anything resembling a reasoned argument
> fails; result to abuse.
>
>
>>You are a PRICK
>
>
> See what I mean?
>
>
>
>
>
Yeah, nothing new. You just know this guy has no job, no friends, no
brains and this ng is his total life, besides owning only two printers.
I've never seen anything intelligent come out of his pathetic mouth.
His childish bullshit responses is the best he can do.
Frank
 
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Ivor Floppy wrote:

>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:E6ske.833$rY6.349@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>[..]
>
>
>
>>>Hey Taliesyn, this guy is a real sicko, wacko moron. Nobody believes any
>>>of his bullshit.
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>
>He's a typical usenet troll - when anything resembling a reasoned argument
>fails; result to abuse.
>
>

Your nose is brown from kissing Frankie Crankie's Ass

>
>
>>You are a PRICK
>>
>>
>
>See what I mean?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
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On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
wrote:
>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>explanatory?

C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..

--

Hecate - The Real One
Hecate@newsguy.com
Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
 
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Hecate wrote:

>On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>explanatory?
>>
>>
>
>C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>
>

Were you 8 before you were7?

> --
>
>Hecate - The Real One
>Hecate@newsguy.com
>Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>
>
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Hecate wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>explanatory?
>>
>>C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>
>
> Were you 8 before you were7?

I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about seven or
eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your responses shows
more with each of your stupid one liners. I think you found the fountain of
youth and you have nearly regressed to the level of ma-ma and da-da. Keep
it up and perhaps we will be rid of you soon.
>
>> --
>>
>>Hecate - The Real One
>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>
 
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Burt wrote:
> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:r7uke.865$rY6.688@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>
>>Hecate wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>>explanatory?
>>>
>>>C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>>
>>
>>Were you 8 before you were7?
>
>
> I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about seven or
> eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your responses shows
> more with each of your stupid one liners. I think you found the fountain of
> youth and you have nearly regressed to the level of ma-ma and da-da. Keep
> it up and perhaps we will be rid of you soon.
>
>>>--
>>>
>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>
>
>
>
hehehehe...yeah he's on a diet trying to get back to his original birth
weight...somewhere around 7 oz's.
Frank
 
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Burt wrote:

>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:r7uke.865$rY6.688@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Hecate wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>>explanatory?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Were you 8 before you were7?
>>
>>
>
>I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about seven or
>eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your responses shows
>more with each of your stupid one liners. I think you found the fountain of
>youth and you have nearly regressed to the level of ma-ma and da-da. Keep
>it up and perhaps we will be rid of you soon.
>
>

Up Urs

>>>--
>>>
>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
 
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Frank wrote:

> Burt wrote:
>
>> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:r7uke.865$rY6.688@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>
>>> Hecate wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>>> explanatory?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>>>
>>>
>>> Were you 8 before you were7?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about
>> seven or eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your
>> responses shows more with each of your stupid one liners. I think
>> you found the fountain of youth and you have nearly regressed to
>> the level of ma-ma and da-da. Keep it up and perhaps we will be rid
>> of you soon.
>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Hecate - The Real One
>>>> Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>> you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
> hehehehe...yeah he's on a diet trying to get back to his original
> birth weight...somewhere around 7 oz's.
> Frank


Your dick is half of that and your brain is inside your dick.
heheheheheHAHAHAHAHA :-D :-D :-D
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Frank wrote:
>
>> Burt wrote:
>>
>>> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:r7uke.865$rY6.688@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hecate wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>>>> explanatory?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Were you 8 before you were7?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about
>>> seven or eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your
>>> responses shows more with each of your stupid one liners. I think you
>>> found the fountain of youth and you have nearly regressed to the level
>>> of ma-ma and da-da. Keep it up and perhaps we will be rid of you soon.
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Hecate - The Real One
>>>>> Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>> you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> hehehehe...yeah he's on a diet trying to get back to his original birth
>> weight...somewhere around 7 oz's.
>> Frank
>
>
> Your dick is half of that and your brain is inside your dick.
> heheheheheHAHAHAHAHA :-D :-D :-D

Another Measekite "brilliant" response. Take note, all NG participants, of
the infantile character we deal with here.
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Burt wrote:
>
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:r7uke.865$rY6.688@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>>>explanatory?
>>>>>
>>>>C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Were you 8 before you were7?
>>>
>>
>>I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about seven
>>or eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your responses
>>shows more with each of your stupid one liners. I think you found the
>>fountain of youth and you have nearly regressed to the level of ma-ma
>>and da-da. Keep it up and perhaps we will be rid of you soon.
>>
>
> Up Urs

When logic fails him he resorts to infantile, crude, innane verbal jabs.
Sad.
>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
 
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Burt wrote:

>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:s3yke.948$rY6.234@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Burt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:r7uke.865$rY6.688@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>>>>>explanatory?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Were you 8 before you were7?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about
>>>>seven or eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your
>>>>responses shows more with each of your stupid one liners. I think you
>>>>found the fountain of youth and you have nearly regressed to the level
>>>>of ma-ma and da-da. Keep it up and perhaps we will be rid of you soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>hehehehe...yeah he's on a diet trying to get back to his original birth
>>>weight...somewhere around 7 oz's.
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>Your dick is half of that and your brain is inside your dick.
>>heheheheheHAHAHAHAHA :-D :-D :-D
>>
>>
>
>Another Measekite "brilliant" response. Take note, all NG participants, of
>the infantile character we deal with here.
>
>

I thought the evangelist was going to put me in his do not read file but
I just intrigue him too much.

>
>
>
 
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This shmuck promised to put me in his do not read file but he just loves me.

Burt wrote:

>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:42yke.947$rY6.349@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Burt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:r7uke.865$rY6.688@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>>>>explanatory?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Were you 8 before you were7?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about seven
>>>or eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your responses
>>>shows more with each of your stupid one liners. I think you found the
>>>fountain of youth and you have nearly regressed to the level of ma-ma
>>>and da-da. Keep it up and perhaps we will be rid of you soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Up Urs
>>
>>
>
>When logic fails him he resorts to infantile, crude, innane verbal jabs.
>Sad.
>
>
>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
 
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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Burt wrote:
>
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:s3yke.948$rY6.234@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Burt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:r7uke.865$rY6.688@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>>>>>>explanatory?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Were you 8 before you were7?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about
>>>>>seven or eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your
>>>>>responses shows more with each of your stupid one liners. I think you
>>>>>found the fountain of youth and you have nearly regressed to the
>>>>>level of ma-ma and da-da. Keep it up and perhaps we will be rid of you
>>>>>soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>hehehehe...yeah he's on a diet trying to get back to his original birth
>>>>weight...somewhere around 7 oz's.
>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>Your dick is half of that and your brain is inside your dick.
>>>heheheheheHAHAHAHAHA :-D :-D :-D
>>>
>>
>>Another Measekite "brilliant" response. Take note, all NG participants,
>>of the infantile character we deal with here.
>
> I thought the evangelist was going to put me in his do not read file but I
> just intrigue him too much.

Disgust is more like it. Nothing you have posted is intrigueing. Don't pat
yourself on the back.
>
>>
>>
 
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Feh! (Measekite understands this one). Translates to Ughh!!

"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This shmuck promised to put me in his do not read file but he just loves
> me.
>
> Burt wrote:
>
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:42yke.947$rY6.349@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>Burt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:r7uke.865$rY6.688@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:31:43 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you work for Canon, or is that self-
>>>>>>>explanatory?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>C'mon, even Canon won't employ 5 year olds..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Were you 8 before you were7?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I think that was my first "dirty joke." I believe I was just about
>>>>seven or eight years old at the time. The lack of maturity of your
>>>>responses shows more with each of your stupid one liners. I think you
>>>>found the fountain of youth and you have nearly regressed to the level
>>>>of ma-ma and da-da. Keep it up and perhaps we will be rid of you soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Up Urs
>>>
>>
>>When logic fails him he resorts to infantile, crude, innane verbal jabs.
>>Sad.
>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
 
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PC World, like other magazines, is probably 'influenced' to a large
degree by the makers of printers who advertise in their magazines.

Really now - one look at the CIS Continuous Ink Cartridge feed system or
the B&W Pizeography system and the many, many satisfied users (see Yahoo
Groups -> Epson inkjet forum and elsewhere), and you'd realize that with
properly made 3rd party inks, you can get excellent, trouble-free results.

---

I'd take any of Wilhelm-Research's results with a grain of salt.

Why?

Before the reported Epson 870/etc. Orange Fading incident
(www.p-o-v-image.com has info), they reported prints to last for years
from these printers -- yet, in fact, many users immediately found, like
I did, that prints faded within weeks, even indoors!

Heck, even Epson called up many 870/etc. owners then to offer a FULL
buyback of the affected printers as a result (even me).

Naturally, after this 'incident', Wilhelm 'adjusted' all of their
results saying their old 'methods' were not so good because it didn't
take into account some of these environmental factors.

Well, gosh, darn -- you'd think any company that's been hired by Kodak
and others to test print longevity for years earlier would have sat some
Ph.D down for a moment, okay, a few minutes, and think things through!

Like where are the prints most likely displayed and kept by a consumer?

That alone would have made them realize that they'd have humidity,
ozone, and other factors -- like really! how many people do keep their
prints and negatives in a cold-room, temp & humidity controlled forever?!?

Just unrealistic.

---

Anyways, despite what Wilhelm has said about all of the latest photo
printers, thankfully, Japanese computer magazines are much more
objective -- the recent Digital Camera magazine tests this year have
placed the latest photo printers from Epson and Canon to the test in
both indoor and outdoor lit conditions.

What did they find?

In under three months, all of them faded! Canon's had noticable orange
fading; even the clear-coated Epson prints (the printers that apply a
final clear coat) had a measurable degree of fading.

---

Keep in mind that chemically and physically, ALL dye-based inks like
they use in most printers today will break down quickly when exposed to
light, humidity, etc. Even pigmented inks will break down, too.

(Here, thankfully, companies like www.inkjetmall.com are realistic and
report the degree of fading found in their 3rd party archival inks --
they don't pull wool over your eyes and make you believe you can get
decades of non-fade prints.)

---

As for the 3rd party inks. Keep in mind that printers are often cheaper
than new ink cartridge sets, selling for <$50 on sale (see
www.fatwallet.com/c/18/). If you don't refill, why buy new cartridges?
Just replace the printer, which comes with new carts!

Or if you are printing quite a lot, continuous ink feed systems are the
way to go aside from a color laser printer at $299+.
 
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However, you neglect to mention the other side of this coin.

1) Many who use after market inks successfully just have no interest in
bothering in your petty little war.

2) You seem to represent the other side of this battle relatively on
your own, and you have No experience at all with 3rd party inks, nor do
you have more than apocryphal stories without any valid research or
statistics, making your statements nothing more than your opinion. So
in an argument between an individual with neither any personal
experience nor any valid science versus a group of individuals who have
used both OEM and 3rd party inks over a period of years, your viewpoint
(along with it's libelous statements) don't appear to carry any weight
whatsoever.

If you were reasoned at all about this, and stated that some 3rd party
inks are inferior to OEM and may not justify the price differential, I
don't think anyone could fault you. However, you make blanket
statements which cannot be backed up with fact. And even when the so
called "branding" you "demand" of 3rd party vendors is revealed, rather
than seeing this as a step toward better communications between the
vendor and his clients, and having resolved one of the issue you claim
to have with 3rd party ink vendors, you continue to libel the company in
question. That, in itself, points to your taking a vindictive stand
against one or more companies, which once again points to libel.

I would strongly suggest that you reconsider continuing what has become
a vendetta against a few smaller vendors who you have neither knowledge
or basis to make accusations or derogatory statements about.

Art


measekite wrote:


> ATTENTION NEW NG READERS:
>
> If you track all of these success stories about AfterMarket inks on this
> NG over a 2 to 3 week period of time you will find that all of these
> success stories come from a handful of tinkerers that I have
> collectively called the AfterMarket Club. Burt is their president and
> Frankie is their parrot.
>
 
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As I mentioned in another posting, that is NOT adequate attribution, in
fact, you republished the majority of, if not the complete copyrighted
article without permission from the copyright owner.

Quoting a small section of a work, be it a book, website, or article,
may be covered under "fair use" within the copyright legislation if it
is used to illustrate, educate or editorialize upon. But your use would
not fall into that category. It's straight copyright violation.

I'd suggest more care in the future. You could have, and probably
should have used a link.

Art

measekite wrote:

>
>
> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
>> You need to learn to attribute your quotes. If you are going to lift
>> a copyrighted article, the least you should do (better is getting
>> permission, if possible) is to state where the information came from
>> and the author, is given.
>
>
>
> Look at the header
>
>>
>
 
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Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:

>In article <N8fke.341$kS3.187@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
>measekite@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>>Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Burt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>For me the math is pretty simple: I bought a Canon i960 4 months ago for
>$89 + $20 shipping. I've done 7 cartridge refills at half a buck each
>(labeled and dated tru-color ink from alotofthings.com).
>
alotofcrap

>Photos look
>exactly like they did on the original Canon ink. Figuring $10 for Canon
>cartridges, I'll be $199 ahead when the warranty runs out, so if my head
>dies on the 366th day, I can buy a new printer & still be 90 bucks or so
>ahead. If it dies before then, I'm covered by warranty, and even better
>off. Every day it lasts past 1 year, I'm still farther ahead. I don't
>see a downside to this, except for the effort of refilling (about as
>hard & messy as putting gas in the car)!
>
>
And that is Bullshie. Burt welcomes Mr Pecker to the AfterMarket Club
as a new member.
 
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Interesting, Burt, I read these postings in the order they appear in the
newsgroup and respond to them individually in the order in which they
were received.

I'm noticing that you have come to some of the very same conclusions I
have, on numerous issues this past day or two, although you responded
sooner than I to them.

Just so measekite doesn't get paranoid, Burt and I did not have any
interchange regarding these issues, we just seem to have come to the
same conclusions at about the same time, coincidentally.

Art



Burt wrote:

> Better yet, it is more than sufficient to post the link and let people read
> it for themselves rather than "cherry-pick" the article to support your
> viewpoint and possibly misquote the article when copying the portion you
> post.
>
> "Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:BXnke.1456708$8l.1012942@pd7tw1no...
>
>>The attribution should be in the body of the message, not just in the
>>subject in the header.
>>
>>Art
>>
 
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Arthur Entlich wrote:

> However, you neglect to mention the other side of this coin.
>
> 1) Many who use after market inks successfully just have no interest
> in bothering in your petty little war.
>
> 2) You seem to represent the other side of this battle relatively on
> your own, and you have No experience at all with 3rd party inks, nor
> do you have more than apocryphal stories without any valid research or
> statistics, making your statements nothing more than your opinion. So
> in an argument between an individual with neither any personal
> experience nor any valid science versus a group of individuals who
> have used both OEM and 3rd party inks over a period of years, your
> viewpoint (along with it's libelous statements) don't appear to carry
> any weight whatsoever.
>
> If you were reasoned at all about this, and stated that some 3rd party
> inks are inferior

I said most not all and that is true. The vast majority of the public
do not refill carts.

> to OEM and may not justify the price differential, I don't think
> anyone could fault you. However, you make blanket statements which
> cannot be backed up with fact. And even when the so called "branding"
> you "demand" of 3rd party vendors is revealed, rather than seeing this
> as a step toward better communications between the vendor and his
> clients, and having resolved one of the issue you claim to have with
> 3rd party ink vendors, you continue to libel the company in question.
> That, in itself, points to your taking a vindictive stand against one
> or more companies, which once again points to libel.
>
> I would strongly suggest that you reconsider continuing what has
> become a vendetta against a few smaller vendors who you have neither
> knowledge or basis to make accusations or derogatory statements about.
>
> Art
>
>
> measekite wrote:
>
>
>> ATTENTION NEW NG READERS:
>>
>> If you track all of these success stories about AfterMarket inks on
>> this NG over a 2 to 3 week period of time you will find that all of
>> these success stories come from a handful of tinkerers that I have
>> collectively called the AfterMarket Club. Burt is their president
>> and Frankie is their parrot.
>>
 
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Irwin - almost word-for-word my post just a short time ago in response to
Measekite. Makes sense to me.

"Irwin Peckinloomer" <semimoto@spamforYahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cfc74f3893ef8cb989694@news.aracnet.com...
> In article <N8fke.341$kS3.187@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
> measekite@yahoo.com says...
>>
>>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>> > Burt wrote:
>> >
> For me the math is pretty simple: I bought a Canon i960 4 months ago for
> $89 + $20 shipping. I've done 7 cartridge refills at half a buck each
> (labeled and dated tru-color ink from alotofthings.com). Photos look
> exactly like they did on the original Canon ink. Figuring $10 for Canon
> cartridges, I'll be $199 ahead when the warranty runs out, so if my head
> dies on the 366th day, I can buy a new printer & still be 90 bucks or so
> ahead. If it dies before then, I'm covered by warranty, and even better
> off. Every day it lasts past 1 year, I'm still farther ahead. I don't
> see a downside to this, except for the effort of refilling (about as
> hard & messy as putting gas in the car)!
 
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"David Chien" <chiendh@uci.edu> wrote in message
news:d6vrob$o24$1@news.service.uci.edu...
[..]
> Keep in mind that chemically and physically, ALL dye-based inks like they
> use in most printers today will break down quickly when exposed to light,
> humidity, etc. Even pigmented inks will break down, too.
>

Also keep in mind that traditional photos produced using chemicals only have
an estimated lifespan of 20 years or so - which in practice is often much
shorter when exposed to light.

My parents have some colour photos displayed in a frame on the wall - it
gets no direct sun, yet there is noticeable fading and colour shift.. and
its only about 4 years old. They also have a 16"x20" B/W photo printed on
Ilford RC paper about 20 years ago.. and that too has almost faded away to
nothing.
 
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 18:48:30 GMT, "Ivor Floppy" <Ivor@somewhere.uk>
wrote:

>My parents have some colour photos displayed in a frame on the wall - it
>gets no direct sun, yet there is noticeable fading and colour shift.. and
>its only about 4 years old. They also have a 16"x20" B/W photo printed on
>Ilford RC paper about 20 years ago.. and that too has almost faded away to
>nothing.
>
That suggests incredibly bad processing of the print. You can get B&W
prints from the 1860's which are still as clear as a bell.


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On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:28:37 -0700, David Chien <chiendh@uci.edu>
wrote:

>PC World, like other magazines, is probably 'influenced' to a large
>degree by the makers of printers who advertise in their magazines.
>
>Really now - one look at the CIS Continuous Ink Cartridge feed system or
>the B&W Pizeography system and the many, many satisfied users (see Yahoo
>Groups -> Epson inkjet forum and elsewhere), and you'd realize that with
> properly made 3rd party inks, you can get excellent, trouble-free results.
>
>---
>
>I'd take any of Wilhelm-Research's results with a grain of salt.
>
Which is why I prefer:

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg1.htm

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