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Well, I decided to send email to Intel support and they responded very
quickly. The D845GRG does NOT support the 3.06GHZ/533/HT processor. I
guess I'll give the 2.8/533 a shot.
Anybody in the market for a 1.8GHz/400 with heatsink and fan? NewEgg is
selling them new for $109 (retail). Guess 50% off would be a far price
(plus shipping)?
"bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:-L6dneBTjqHEeT3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
> Thanks for the pointer. Poking around I found this list of supported
> processors:
>
>
http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d845grg/sb/CS-009954.htm
>
> It goes up to the P4 2.8GHz / 533MHz. It doesn't include the 3.06GHz /
533
> with HT. Does the 845 chipset support or need to support HT? Strange it
> would stop at 2.8 but not if there was a problem supporting HT.
>
> I'm leaning towards spinning the wheel on the 2.8GHz since the 3.06HT/533
is
> quite a bit more and I'm not sure HT will get me anything (assuming it
even
> works).
>
>
>
> "Rocket" <rocket@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:nPmdnR3sw7voPwLdRVn-ig@comcast.com...
> > D845GRG would be listed under OEM products only:
> >
>
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filter.asp?ProductID=824
> > --
> > Rocket
> >
> >
> > "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:109tjvro9spjb58@corp.supernews.com...
> > > The motherboard is a micro ATX. I didn't see a D845GRG on the Intel
web
> > > site and that IS what the board has etched on it. I saw the D845GERG2
> and
> > > it looks exactly like what I have (except with no AGP connector
grumble
> > > grumble).
> > >
> > > I looked at the documentation for the Intel BIOSes and they didn't
have
> > > anything in them about the processors supported. So is it safe to
> assume
> > > the support is built in for any 400 or 533 processor? That comment
from
> > > Gateways BIOS documentation mentioning HT gives me hope. The open
> > question
> > > is whether it is false hope or real hope! I'd really hate to make a
> $200
> > > mistake.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help with this!
> > >
> > > <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > > news:409ea7e0.30063588@news.charter.net...
> > > > The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the
Intel
> > web
> > > site,
> > > > the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:
> > > >
> > > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
> > > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
> > > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
> > > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG
> > > >
> > > > These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest
> > > variation is
> > > > full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you
have,
> if
> > > at all
> > > > possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are
the
> > > > controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from
the
> > > Intel
> > > > docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.
> > > >
> > > > Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to
figure
> > out
> > > which
> > > > one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the
> > > controlling
> > > > factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The
bad
> > news
> > > is
> > > > that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not
> > affix
> > > the
> > > > AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which
> revision
> > > you've
> > > > got.
> > > >
> > > > You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the
> board.
> > > >
> > > > ... Ben Myers
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the
> > > original
> > > > >system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number
> but
> > > > >that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
> > > > >documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states
it
> > > > >supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it
> supports
> > > 2GB
> > > > >of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet.
> Doesn't
> > > > >anybody proof read stuff anymore?
> > > > >
> > > >
> >http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/2516231sp143.shtml
> > > > >
> > > > >I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS
on
> > the
> > > > >Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is
> some
> > > > >documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one
of
> > the
> > > > >fixes:
> > > > >
> > > > >"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in
> > use."
> > > > >
> > > > >Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
> > > > >3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
> > > > >therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN
> > Gateway
> > > > >for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their
> BIOS
> > > > >documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
> > > > >
> > > > >There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type
> > > D845GRG
> > > > >but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white
> > sticker
> > > > >with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
> > > > >
> > > > >Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do
you
> > > think
> > > > >the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This
> REALLY
> > > > >shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested
interest
> in
> > > > >keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But
it
> > > does
> > > > >leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my
investment
> > less
> > > > >useful or prematurely obsolete.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > > > >news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
> > > > >> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of
most
> > > other
> > > > >> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell
you,
> > but
> > > > >void the
> > > > >> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name
> > > brands
> > > > >wants
> > > > >> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of
> > > warranty
> > > > >> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow
> > pies.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the
> > > chassis
> > > > >and
> > > > >> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining
the
> > BIOS
> > > > >ID.
> > > > >> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is
> > > possible
> > > > >for
> > > > >> your system.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or
both
> > > sticks
> > > > >of
> > > > >> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that
512MB
> is
> > > > >probably
> > > > >> OK for most use... Ben Myers
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but
when
> I
> > > sent
> > > > >> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got
> > this
> > > > >> >response:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor
and
> > > > >> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the
present
> > > > >> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the
> > > configuration
> > > > >> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor.
Even
> if
> > > > >> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
> > > > >> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes.
> > Drives
> > > and
> > > > >> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether
> > > different
> > > > >> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication
> > > between
> > > > >> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much.
> Many
> > > > >> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your
> > > computer.
> > > > >> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be
> > more
> > > > >> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can
> upgrade
> > > the
> > > > >> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two
up
> > > > >> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and
> most
> > of
> > > > >this
> > > > >> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that
is
> > fine
> > > > >and
> > > > >> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't
bother
> > > looking
> > > > >at
> > > > >> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8
> > months.
> > > > >He
> > > > >> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway
> in
> > > it's
> > > > >> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the
> motherboard
> > > so I
> > > > >> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good
> return
> > > > >policy?
> > > > >> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
message
> > > > >> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
> > > > >> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by
> > > quickly(!)
> > > > >> >writing
> > > > >> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the
> > EXACT
> > > > >> >motherboard
> > > > >> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to
better
> > > define
> > > > >the
> > > > >> >upper
> > > > >> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV
OEM
> > mATX
> > > > >board
> > > > >> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and
> > > installed
> > > > >up
> > > > >> >to a
> > > > >> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec
> update
> > > does
> > > > >not
> > > > >> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are
> (IMHO,
> > > the
> > > > >> >best
> > > > >> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not
> > revised
> > > > >> >fanatically
> > > > >> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often,
> the
> > > Intel
> > > > >> >web site
> > > > >> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the
> > > bother,
> > > > >> >given its
> > > > >> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy"
<bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on
the
> > > > >processor
> > > > >> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The
> > > premium
> > > > >must
> > > > >> >be
> > > > >> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do
> > anything
> > > for
> > > > >me
> > > > >> >or
> > > > >> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
> > > > >motherboard
> > > > >> >and
> > > > >> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me
> > since
> > > I
> > > > >was
> > > > >> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it,
I
> > > sent
> > > > >> >email
> > > > >> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They
indicate
> > the
> > > > >> >maximum
> > > > >> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to
> do
> > it
> > > > >for a
> > > > >> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the
latest
> > BIOS
> > > > >> >doesn't
> > > > >> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really
> > don't
> > > > >want
> > > > >> >to
> > > > >> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
> > message
> > > > >> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> > > > >> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference
between
> > 3.06
> > > > >and
> > > > >> >2.8
> > > > >> >> >is not
> > > > >> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power,
> > > negligible
> > > > >> >when
> > > > >> >> >memory
> > > > >> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors
> are
> > > > >> >> >considered.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a
> > > while.
> > > > >> >Will
> > > > >> >> >the
> > > > >> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real
> > question
> > > to
> > > > >> >> >ascertain is
> > > > >> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As
> long
> > as
> > > > >they
> > > > >> >> >are, the
> > > > >> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as
> production
> > > > >stops,
> > > > >> >the
> > > > >> >> >prices
> > > > >> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy"
> > <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a
> P4
> > > > >1.8A/400
> > > > >> >> >GHz
> > > > >> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of
> PC-2100
> > > > >> >(DDR266).
> > > > >> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
> > > > >installed.
> > > > >> >One
> > > > >> >> >of
> > > > >> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
> > > > >Hyper-threading
> > > > >> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
> > > > >indicates
> > > > >> >it
> > > > >> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the
> Intel
> > > 845G
> > > > >> >> >chipset.
> > > > >> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the
> processor
> > > on
> > > > >this
> > > > >> >> >puppy
> > > > >> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too
> expensive.
> > > Am I
> > > > >> >> >rushing
> > > > >> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while
> > longer?
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper
> > > Threading
> > > > >> >(Newegg
> > > > >> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
> > > > >shipping).
> > > > >> >Not
> > > > >> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the
> > > concensus
> > > > >> >there?
> > > > >> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year
warranty
> > > along
> > > > >> >with
> > > > >> >> >the
> > > > >> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan
> for
> > > $50
> > > > >to
> > > > >> >> >help
> > > > >> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for
it
> > or
> > > > >should
> > > > >> >I
> > > > >> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors
> > start
> > > > >> >> >disappearing
> > > > >> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
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