650ti 2GB vs 7850 1GB?

[khaledegy200]

My friend was asking me for a good card around $160-$170 so i picked these 2 cards for him.

which one is better?

additional info:-

his res. is 1440*900

psu is 400w

playing games like bf3 crysis 3...

his mobo...i dont really remember but it has PCI 2.0 x16 will the card work in it?

thx.

 

[khaledegy200]

Well, thanks for all the info guys.

I really reached my max and want to sleep now, It's 8:06 a.m here, should have slept 8hours ago.

I will not be online for apprx. 7 or 8 hours from now

 

[lycros]

techpowerup is a recent review, using NVIDIA 314.22 WHQL and AMD 13.3 Beta 3 drivers. I'd guess anand's bench is using older drivers when they first reviewed the cards. It's hard to tell because they don't say in their comparison charts.

Another review using 314.22 and 13.3 b3 drivers http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/radeon-hd-7790-geforce-gtx-650ti-boost_4.html#sect4

Here is a review ( http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhardware.benchmark.rs%2Fvideo_karte%2Ftest_msi_geforce_gtx_650_ti_boost_1gb%2Fstrana_7&act=url ) of that 650ti boost, it's in another language and I couldn't find what drivers they used for AMD but they did use 314.22 for the 650ti be. One thing I noticed in the review is that, although having a OC core clock, the memory clock runs slower than stock, though it doesn't seem to make too much of a difference.

 

[thasan1]

I linked one for $140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127731

although It's a cheap one but can it run crysis 3 at that res.?

i think the 7850 would be better

by the way thanks for your answer.

it can run crysis at might with your friends resolution.

but look to this...the 650ti 1GB is giving only 30fps @1280*800 then what about 1440?

dude, your confusing with the 650ti with 650ti 'BOOST EDITION'. boost edition is much more powerful than the standard 650ti. the chart found on that link says 650 ti BOOST EDITION is much more powerful than 7850. so your buddy can play crsis at his resolution with playable framerate.

 

[lunyone]

techpowerup is a recent review, using NVIDIA 314.22 WHQL and AMD 13.3 Beta 3 drivers. I'd guess anand's bench is using older drivers when they first reviewed the cards. It's hard to tell because they don't say in their comparison charts.

Another review using 314.22 and 13.3 b3 drivers http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/radeon-hd-7790-geforce-gtx-650ti-boost_4.html#sect4

Here is a review ( http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhardware.benchmark.rs%2Fvideo_karte%2Ftest_msi_geforce_gtx_650_ti_boost_1gb%2Fstrana_7&act=url ) of that 650ti boost, it's in another language and I couldn't find what drivers they used for AMD but they did use 314.22 for the 650ti be. One thing I noticed in the review is that, although having a OC core clock, the memory clock runs slower than stock, though it doesn't seem to make too much of a difference.

Yeah I see that. You also could argue that the GTX 650 Ti is an OC'd GTX 650. The 7850 listed on the charts there seems to be at standard 7850 clocks, so if you OC'd it you would more than likely be at or above the GTX 660 level. Of coarse this is just speculation, since I don't own either of these GPU's to test my theory out, but you get the idea.

 

[khaledegy200]

techpowerup is a recent review, using NVIDIA 314.22 WHQL and AMD 13.3 Beta 3 drivers. I'd guess anand's bench is using older drivers when they first reviewed the cards. It's hard to tell because they don't say in their comparison charts.

Another review using 314.22 and 13.3 b3 drivers http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/radeon-hd-7790-geforce-gtx-650ti-boost_4.html#sect4

Here is a review ( http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhardware.benchmark.rs%2Fvideo_karte%2Ftest_msi_geforce_gtx_650_ti_boost_1gb%2Fstrana_7&act=url ) of that 650ti boost, it's in another language and I couldn't find what drivers they used for AMD but they did use 314.22 for the 650ti be. One thing I noticed in the review is that, although having a OC core clock, the memory clock runs slower than stock, though it doesn't seem to make too much of a difference.

Yeah I see that. You also could argue that the GTX 650 Ti is an OC'd GTX 650. The 7850 listed on the charts there seems to be at standard 7850 clocks, so if you OC'd it you would more than likely be at or above the GTX 660 level. Of coarse this is just speculation, since I don't own either of these GPU's to test my theory out, but you get the idea.

So , the over clocked 7850 may reach the Gtx 660 level,Great deal.

Thanks a lot, I will tell him that and do it in my new radeon 7870XT as well.

But is there any specific software to over clock it or just from driver software?and what is the risk if i do it from any external software e.g RivaTuner?

 

[AustinS]

There really is no risk, but there is also no real gain from it either, unless you are going for ridiculous overclocks with a liquid nitrogen cooling setup. Just use the software that you have been provided with by your manufacturer. If it is MSI, it will be afterburner, if it is gigabyte, it will be OC Guru, or any other. But you could also use Catalyst Control Center, or even the bios.

Personally, I would recommend making sure that your drivers are fully up to date, and then use a program like MSI Afterburner, as it is very easy to use. Also, look up guides on how to overclock, or you could make yourself a very expensive paperweight.

Austin

 

[khaledegy200]

There really is no risk, but there is also no real gain from it either, unless you are going for ridiculous overclocks with a liquid nitrogen cooling setup. Just use the software that you have been provided with by your manufacturer. If it is MSI, it will be afterburner, if it is gigabyte, it will be OC Guru, or any other. But you could also use Catalyst Control Center, or even the bios.

Personally, I would recommend making sure that your drivers are fully up to date, and then use a program like MSI Afterburner, as it is very easy to use. Also, look up guides on how to overclock, or you could make yourself a very expensive paperweight.

Austin

What about the amd over-drive, when i raise it 50mhz i dont really see any different in games, shouldn't it improve my gaming exp even a bit?

 

[AustinS]

You will not see a major difference in performance, but if you monitor your fps you might see 2-3 more frames. If you want a larger increase, I can help you through overclocking your card to it's max potential.

The first thing you need to know about overclocking, is that the card must remain stable. And by stable, I mean that the card will not crash, or freeze up. To test stability, simply complete a run of furmark (http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/), look at your temperatures and record them. Do this at the stock clocks so that you know your card's base score, temps, and its stability. I can guarantee you your card will run stable with normal clock speeds so no need to worry about that the first time. Record this on a piece of paper, as well as record clock speeds and the voltage the card is at.

Now, go into a gpu overclocking utility, (AMD overdrive is only for system memory, it will not do anything), and increase the core clock slightly, and only by about 10 Mhz each time (the first and second, increase by about 30), and after EACH increase, run furmark. It takes time to overclock and is kinda boring sometimes. Once you reach an unstable overclock, increase the core voltage by about 0.1. Then, try furmark again at that clock, if it is stable, jump up another 5-10Mhz. Continue to do this procedure until you cannot get a stable card. However, do not increase the voltage to more than 1.4 volts. You should be able to get around 1170Mhz, that seems to be the average for your card. If you cannot get to this, that is not a problem, and if you got more than this, you have a good card. Once you have a clock that will not get stable with more voltage, decrease the core clock and voltage to the last stable clock and voltage you wrote down. (This is why you record everything). You can also increase fan speed to lower temps, and make sure that you do not use a clock that got anything over 80-85 celsius as the max temp.

Now it is time to do the memory. The stock clock for your card's memory is 1500Mhz, do the same thing as above, but do not change the voltage, just increase the memory speed and run stability tests after each one until you get an unstable clock, then decrease to the last stable speed. You should be able to get about 1700-1800Mhz, maybe less and maybe more, it depends on your card. But also beware of the power usage, as overclocking does increase power usage, so if your monthly bill is a bit higher, don't blame it on me.

Hope this helps out, look into overclocking a little more before you go and do it, just so you are familiar with how it works. It will help out a bit. And after doing all of this, you should see fps increases of up to 10fps in some games, and in some, even more. It can also allow you to turn up some settings a little higher.

Austin

 

[khaledegy200]

You will not see a major difference in performance, but if you monitor your fps you might see 2-3 more frames. If you want a larger increase, I can help you through overclocking your card to it's max potential.

The first thing you need to know about overclocking, is that the card must remain stable. And by stable, I mean that the card will not crash, or freeze up. To test stability, simply complete a run of furmark (http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/), look at your temperatures and record them. Do this at the stock clocks so that you know your card's base score, temps, and its stability. I can guarantee you your card will run stable with normal clock speeds so no need to worry about that the first time. Record this on a piece of paper, as well as record clock speeds and the voltage the card is at.

Now, go into a gpu overclocking utility, (AMD overdrive is only for system memory, it will not do anything), and increase the core clock slightly, and only by about 10 Mhz each time (the first and second, increase by about 30), and after EACH increase, run furmark. It takes time to overclock and is kinda boring sometimes. Once you reach an unstable overclock, increase the core voltage by about 0.1. Then, try furmark again at that clock, if it is stable, jump up another 5-10Mhz. Continue to do this procedure until you cannot get a stable card. However, do not increase the voltage to more than 1.4 volts. You should be able to get around 1170Mhz, that seems to be the average for your card. If you cannot get to this, that is not a problem, and if you got more than this, you have a good card. Once you have a clock that will not get stable with more voltage, decrease the core clock and voltage to the last stable clock and voltage you wrote down. (This is why you record everything). You can also increase fan speed to lower temps, and make sure that you do not use a clock that got anything over 80-85 celsius as the max temp.

Now it is time to do the memory. The stock clock for your card's memory is 1500Mhz, do the same thing as above, but do not change the voltage, just increase the memory speed and run stability tests after each one until you get an unstable clock, then decrease to the last stable speed. You should be able to get about 1700-1800Mhz, maybe less and maybe more, it depends on your card. But also beware of the power usage, as overclocking does increase power usage, so if your monthly bill is a bit higher, don't blame it on me.

Hope this helps out, look into overclocking a little more before you go and do it, just so you are familiar with how it works. It will help out a bit. And after doing all of this, you should see fps increases of up to 10fps in some games, and in some, even more. It can also allow you to turn up some settings a little higher.

Austin

OMG! Thanks lol! , got 23 more fps on battlefield3, 22 more on crysis3, and 17 more on FC3 @ 1920*1080.

HUGE THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Stable @1200 mhz 1.4v [as u said] and memory 1800. but temps was high,so added 2 more fans to the case , now im getting about 82c when under load.

But it's kinda boring to raise it over 20 times ^^

Thx again.

[Just asking, why Shouldn't i set the Volts over 1.4?]

 

[AustinS]

The reason you shouldn't raise the temps over 1.4, is that manufacturers recommend safe voltages to not go over, and it is about 1.47 volts, so to stay safer, and too keep your card running longer, I figured 1.4 would be good enough. Also, the temps would go too high.

 

[khaledegy200]

The reason you shouldn't raise the temps over 1.4, is that manufacturers recommend safe voltages to not go over, and it is about 1.47 volts, so to stay safer, and too keep your card running longer, I figured 1.4 would be good enough. Also, the temps would go too high.

Thanks For helping me and for info.

 

[AustinS]

No problem

Austin

 

[AustinS]

No problem

Austin