clue69less
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Don't you think that the "Newest Thing" hype is a big part of this? Nvidia got out their first shipment of 7900 series cards and a bunch of people read strong (enough) reviews & benchmarks to convince them to buy. I am surprised that it's taking so long for the cards to get back in stock.
TheGreatGrapeApe
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But why there is no 7900GT in stcok?....
I mean...
Hello Supply, let me introduce you to Demand, I see you've never met!
Economic joke.
Anywhoo, Cleeve's right, do you think they sold ALOT of the GTX-512MBs, or was it that they only had a very short supply to begin with so even mild demand would not even have a hope of being met?
Even if they trippled supply, it still wouldn't have matched sales of the X1800/1900XT or even GF7800GTX-256MB, which were in stock and selling well at the same time.
Shortages do not mean great sales. You were unable to buy/find the Volari Duo V8 card in N.America in any great number even on eBay, does that mean it was a great card?
A shortage simply means that there isn't the cards, is it that they didn't predict demand, have trouble producing them, or can't ship them fast enough. Neither of them point to card A being different than card B as they are unrelated within the supply chain itself.
There likely are many people right now buying the X1800XT simply because they can't get a GF7900GT, but the same happens when the roles are reversed.
Tinsel test. :roll: Smoke, is the only way to do airflow, vortexes will make tinsel move in any direction, but the air flow with smoke shows you exactly where it's going. Design wise it's 50/50 versus 100/0. Show me some good flow control tests that show otherwise fine, but tinsel isn't enough.
As for the IR tests, yes they'll definitely radiate more heat, and that would be a concern to, especially on the dead space on the back of/above the card. But even then it won't be as much heat as constantly pumping waste air back in. Show me the test results, not the recolection of them, and then I'd give the argument some creedance.
Hey, you didn't do much to support YOUR claim as far as proof goes either. Your argument will get more creedance with me as soon as you do and as soon as you stop being a silly hypocrit 😀
Try 10-30% when high levels of AA are enabled. And it' nV that get's the higher Bungholioomarks that don't reflect actual DX performance thanks to their DST implementation which no actual game uses. Like we've always said, check the games you like to play at the settings you prefer because no line of cards wins them all.
I haven't seen anything to reflect this for the games I play. However, most tests I have seen (and these are just the past generation, I haven't been studying the X1900XTX vs. 7900GTX) the ATI cards post better benchmark scores and then falter when it comes to FPS. I'll look around for some tables/charts to give creedance to my argument.
I see your CCC and match you with Beta drivers, which ones to use for nV this week? Or maybe free AVIVO vs pay for and still worse Purevideo. Once again both have their good and bad, and that extends to their drivers too.
By the way, Beta drivers are exactly that: Beta. Don't have to install them. I typically don't. CCC is a required tool that eats more resources than necessary (which is one of my complaints about Windows XP, too)
But to most people that's not as big an issue as the nVidia cards dumping the waste hot air back into the PC while the XT dumps it outside the case.
Both have their good and bad, but really extrwhop cares if one core is at 45C and the other is at 65C if they are both well below their threshhold numbers.
For overclocking (which is all about bungholios and such) it mattes somewhat, but usually they will scale close enough to similarly that the OC difference doesn't make up for the performance difference in either card.
Coincidentally you still haven't proven this. This is based off of.. some information I guess, but at least Clue69Less had a tinsel test to go off of. I've never had overheating issues with an nVidia card (except the time my friend somehow broke the HSF on his 7800 and didn't realize it LOL) and only had them from an ATI card once, but typically they run a few degrees Celsius warmer. As for threshhold numbers.. well, the cooler the card, the less warm the case is.
Agreed.
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I consider myself no genius, but I dont see where he has to prove the fact
that the 7900GT doesnt have the second slot design pumping air out of the PCI-E slot. The X1800XT does, I know, especially with the fan on %100 speed, it feels like a vaccum on reverse (actually when it idles around 37C, can feel quite cool as well) Nothing much to debate about that one, its like my 7800GT, the air from that settled and (being that it is of a warmer temperature than the ambient of most of the case) begins rising.
Air remains inside your case, instead of being exhausted out...
that the 7900GT doesnt have the second slot design pumping air out of the PCI-E slot. The X1800XT does, I know, especially with the fan on %100 speed, it feels like a vaccum on reverse (actually when it idles around 37C, can feel quite cool as well) Nothing much to debate about that one, its like my 7800GT, the air from that settled and (being that it is of a warmer temperature than the ambient of most of the case) begins rising.
Air remains inside your case, instead of being exhausted out...
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TheGreatGrapeApe
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That's fine, but I have design characteristics and physics on my side, as well as reviewers saying exactly what I said. To me that stacks up pretty well.
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Nice.
The OEM is $10 cheaper, so I'd take the retail, get all the extra stuff.
And the 256MB version is $269, which is nice too.
All in all great prices out there really.
The OEM is $10 cheaper, so I'd take the retail, get all the extra stuff.
And the 256MB version is $269, which is nice too.
All in all great prices out there really.
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I have an Ati x1900xtx, and my bro has a Evga 7900gt, I love my ati card, but it really burns the pocket :twisted:
The 7900gt runs my bro's games sleek as a babies ass 8O
Not quite the example I was looking for 8O
But yea, for the bang for the buck, not to mention performance wise, I think the 7900gt is the reasonable way to go, Unless you have deep pockets, so w/ the x1900xtx, but then again, that IF you have deep pockets :twisted:
The 7900gt runs my bro's games sleek as a babies ass 8O
Not quite the example I was looking for 8O
But yea, for the bang for the buck, not to mention performance wise, I think the 7900gt is the reasonable way to go, Unless you have deep pockets, so w/ the x1900xtx, but then again, that IF you have deep pockets :twisted:
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Ok, here's the flaw with that benchmark. Sure, that might be a overclock 7900gt from the vendor beating a stock x1800xt -- The 7900gt is 30% overclocked from stock specs, while the x1800xt is running stock. Give the x1800xt just a 20% boost or more with a volt mod (through software, which nvidia lacks) , which would still be well below the 7900gt up clock, and the xt would pretty much spank the 7900gt up & down.
IMHO, the x1800xt wins, hands down.
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