8700k build, thoughts

[Weathered]

I have been looking to do an 8700k build for a while now, not had a lot of time to mess with it but done some research and part picking and came up with a list. I will be using this for games like BF, Ghost recon at 4k. I currently don't have a 4k monitor but plan on getting one eventually. Thought about getting a 4k tv instead of a monitor since they can be had for a little cheaper usually.

Here is the list:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Weathered/saved/t8jHNG

I would not mind having the noctua nh-d15 cpu cooler but not sure if I will have any clearance issues with ram or anything else.

Something else is I tend to keep my builds for several years so would like to be as future proof as possible. I know there is no such thing in the computer world. I am currently running an i7-920 and 5870 gpu.

 

[timmy_area51]

4K tv's are too big ... they 're not like 1080p tv's

 

[feelinfroggy777]

That is not a bad build. Will be a nice machine. I would make a few changes though, that will also save you some money.

First, I would go with the Cryrig H5 over the H7. The 8700k runs hot, you will need a better cooler. But it is only $20 more.

Second, I would not go with the Samsung Pro. You will never notice the difference between the 850 Pro and the 850 EVO except the EVO is $70 less.

I also think you are spending a little bit too much on RAM. I would go with 3000mhz RAM speed instead of 3200mhz and save $50. For Intel CPUs, RAM speeds do not scale well. Intel just does not need ultra fast performance. There may be a game or two that you will see a small impact form 3000 vs 3200, but for the main, you will never see a difference except for the extra $50.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZBVvgL
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZBVvgL/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($414.89 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF Z370 Plus Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($141.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card ($739.99 @ B&H)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1864.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-27 16:00 EST-0500

 

[Weathered]

That is not a bad build. Will be a nice machine. I would make a few changes though, that will also save you some money.

First, I would go with the Cryrig H5 over the H7. The 8700k runs hot, you will need a better cooler. But it is only $20 more.

Second, I would not go with the Samsung Pro. You will never notice the difference between the 850 Pro and the 850 EVO except the EVO is $70 less.

I also think you are spending a little bit too much on RAM. I would go with 3000mhz RAM speed instead of 3200mhz and save $50. For Intel CPUs, RAM speeds do not scale well. Intel just does not need ultra fast performance. There may be a game or two that you will see a small impact form 3000 vs 3200, but for the main, you will never see a difference except for the extra $50.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZBVvgL
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZBVvgL/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($414.89 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF Z370 Plus Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($141.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card ($739.99 @ B&H)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1864.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-27 16:00 EST-0500

Ty for that build.

I have read that these cpu's run hotter and that is why I thought about getting a noctua nh-d15 but that is a massive cooler and am worried about clearance issues with memory. I know it does cost more than the Cryrig.

I definitely want to keep this build under 2k dollars without sacrificing alot of performance or quality.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

That is not a bad build. Will be a nice machine. I would make a few changes though, that will also save you some money.

First, I would go with the Cryrig H5 over the H7. The 8700k runs hot, you will need a better cooler. But it is only $20 more.

Second, I would not go with the Samsung Pro. You will never notice the difference between the 850 Pro and the 850 EVO except the EVO is $70 less.

I also think you are spending a little bit too much on RAM. I would go with 3000mhz RAM speed instead of 3200mhz and save $50. For Intel CPUs, RAM speeds do not scale well. Intel just does not need ultra fast performance. There may be a game or two that you will see a small impact form 3000 vs 3200, but for the main, you will never see a difference except for the extra $50.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZBVvgL
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZBVvgL/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($414.89 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF Z370 Plus Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($141.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card ($739.99 @ B&H)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1864.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-27 16:00 EST-0500

Ty for that build.

I have read that these cpu's run hotter and that is why I thought about getting a noctua nh-d15 but that is a massive cooler and am worried about clearance issues with memory. I know it does cost more than the Cryrig.

I definitely want to keep this build under 2k dollars without sacrificing alot of performance or quality.

Noctua coolers are the Lexus of air coolers. They are fantastic, even if they are over priced. I think the Cryorig H5 is a very good cooler for half the price. For me, I would go with a 240/280mm AIO cooler before I got a $90 Noctua. I just don't like the way they look. But they perform very well.

 

[Weathered]

Not sure I would be comfortable going with a liquid cooler. I would be too worried about springing a leak, never messed with them before. As far as looks go, that does not really bother me too much. I am currently using a noctua on my i7-920.

I meant to post this in the systems section, not sure if it would be better there or stay here.

 

[Major_Trouble]

I have never sprung a leak with and AIO cooler so I wouldn't worry about it. The 8700K runs quite hot so a good 240mm AIO would be great for a bit of overclocking.

With such a top end build I'd swap the 850 Evo for the 960 Evo.

 

[Weathered]

I have never sprung a leak with and AIO cooler so I wouldn't worry about it. The 8700K runs quite hot so a good 240mm AIO would be great for a bit of overclocking.

With such a top end build I'd swap the 850 Evo for the 960 Evo.

After comparing the 850 evo 500gb model and 960 evo 250gb model, the m.2 960 evo model is quite a bit faster. Would the average person be able to notice a difference outside of running tests and benchmarks?

 

[Major_Trouble]

I have never sprung a leak with and AIO cooler so I wouldn't worry about it. The 8700K runs quite hot so a good 240mm AIO would be great for a bit of overclocking.

With such a top end build I'd swap the 850 Evo for the 960 Evo.

After comparing the 850 evo 500gb model and 960 evo 250gb model, the m.2 960 evo model is quite a bit faster. Would the average person be able to notice a difference outside of running tests and benchmarks?

There will be a small difference whether it's noticeable depends on how you're using your machine. Looking at your build (best of everything) you obviously can afford the extra $50 to be safe in the knowledge your SSD is the fastest it can be without resorting to Raid setups.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

I have never sprung a leak with and AIO cooler so I wouldn't worry about it. The 8700K runs quite hot so a good 240mm AIO would be great for a bit of overclocking.

With such a top end build I'd swap the 850 Evo for the 960 Evo.

After comparing the 850 evo 500gb model and 960 evo 250gb model, the m.2 960 evo model is quite a bit faster. Would the average person be able to notice a difference outside of running tests and benchmarks?

I swapped my 850 EVO for a 960 EVO and I can’t tell a difference.

 

[Weathered]

Maybe I will go with the 960 evo. But when I add this to my pcpartpicker list, a compatibility issue comes up saying The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled. Do I need to be worried about that?

Any issues with the motherboard or video card? The video card I selected has 2 fans and I noticed many of them have 3 fans. Will only having 2 fans be an issue?

Ty all for the help

 

[Weathered]

I have never sprung a leak with and AIO cooler so I wouldn't worry about it. The 8700K runs quite hot so a good 240mm AIO would be great for a bit of overclocking.

With such a top end build I'd swap the 850 Evo for the 960 Evo.

After comparing the 850 evo 500gb model and 960 evo 250gb model, the m.2 960 evo model is quite a bit faster. Would the average person be able to notice a difference outside of running tests and benchmarks?

There will be a small difference whether it's noticeable depends on how you're using your machine. Looking at your build (best of everything) you obviously can afford the extra $50 to be safe in the knowledge your SSD is the fastest it can be without resorting to Raid setups.

Actually if I go with the 960 evo, it is actually a little cheaper because it is the 250gb model vs 500gb on the 850 evo. And when looking at the same size models, the 960 evo is about 100 bucks higher.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

It’s a little confusing, but you will actually get better performance from the 500gb 960 than the 250gb. Because the SSD basically runs raid 0 within the drive. Therefore the higher storage count has more chips On the drives that run more raid 0. Either way, the 960 is nice just because you won’t have any wires. Cable management is nice.

As for the compatibility, you won’t have any problems. When you hook up the 960 to the M.2, one of your SATA ports will not work. You will just need to check your motherboard manual to see which one so you don’t hook up your HDD to the dead port. You will have 6 ports, so as long as you don’t get 6 HdD or 5 HDD and an optical drive you won’t have anything to worry about.

About the fans on the GPU, don’t worry about it. You picked a good GPU that will keep the card cool. While you only have 2 fans, they are larger fans than a card with three fans.

 

[Weathered]

Ok ty for the info. I really don't need 500gb's of space, 250gb's will be more than enough, at least for now. I do like having one less wire to mess with.

I don't plan on using more than 5 ports, 3 at the most. 2 HDD's and 1 optical drive. So no worries on that part then.

While I want a 1080ti since I do plan on getting either a 1440p or 4k monitor down the road, having a hard time deciding if I want to pay $700+ for one. Maybe I would be better off going with a cheaper option and get a 1080ti down the road if they become any cheaper. Will video cards ever come back down?

Also something else I just thought of. Is there anything special hardware needed to do VR gaming? Do you just need hardware that is fast enough to handle VR?

 

[Weathered]

I think I will go ahead and get a 1080ti.

Here is an updated list.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWX87h

Now is there any difference between the video card in this list and the one in the first build? Would I be better off with on or the other?

 

[vMax]

The only thing I would change is the CPU cooler from the Cryorig H5 to the Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240 AIO $64.99 around $15 more but more than worth it. I have used AIO's for many years and have yet to spring a leak. The 8700K overclocks very well and paired to a AIO would work very well, even if not overclocked with great idle and load temps across the board.

 

[Weathered]

The only thing I would change is the CPU cooler from the Cryorig H5 to the Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240 AIO $64.99 around $15 more but more than worth it. I have used AIO's for many years and have yet to spring a leak. The 8700K overclocks very well and paired to a AIO would work very well, even if not overclocked with great idle and load temps across the board.

I understand AIO's may be pretty reliable and many people have used them for years without an issue. But I would still be worried about something happening and it happens to take out other equipment with it. I just never liked any type of liquid around my computer, especially inside of it. I also realize times have changed.

Is there any maintenance involved with AIO's? What kind of fluid does it use and how often does it need to be changed?

 

[feelinfroggy777]

There is a difference between the two cards, but it is small. The chips inside the video cards are made by Nvidia. But AIBs make the card and the cooling. They will also factory overclock the video cards. This is why you will see 1080ti’s with different clock speeds.

Cooling is most important. If it does not have good cooling it will thermal throttle. So you want a card that is a full size card and has 2 or 3 fans. You don’t want a reference or blower style card. These cards have one turbine that pushes the air out of the case. They don’t cool very well.

There will never be any visual difference between the two cards you selected with how they perform. The EVGA card may OC a little better and might win a few benchmarks. But as for how it games, you will never see a difference. I would probably go with the cheaper of the two.

As far as the AIO coolers, they work well enough. I have a Corsair h115i and it keeps my system pretty cool. I ha e never had an issue with leakage either. But good air coolers can perform just as good as a AIO. So it’s up to you.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

AIO are closed loop systems, so you never need to replace the liquid and there is never any maintenance. The liquid inside is just water.

The AIO will work till the pump breaks. Since it is a closed loop system and never needs to be opened is one of the reasons you don’t really worry about leaks.

 

[timmy_area51]

AIO are closed loop systems, so you never need to replace the liquid and there is never any maintenance. The liquid inside is just water.

The AIO will work till the pump breaks. Since it is a closed loop system and never needs to be opened is one of the reasons you don’t really worry about leaks.

that was an informative post . i always wondered . are the custom loop too hard to install your self ? specially on the gpu ?

 

[timmy_area51]

There is a difference between the two cards, but it is small. The chips inside the video cards are made by Nvidia. But AIBs make the card and the cooling. They will also factory overclock the video cards. This is why you will see 1080ti’s with different clock speeds.

Cooling is most important. If it does not have good cooling it will thermal throttle. So you want a card that is a full size card and has 2 or 3 fans. You don’t want a reference or blower style card. These cards have one turbine that pushes the air out of the case. They don’t cool very well.

There will never be any visual difference between the two cards you selected with how they perform. The EVGA card may OC a little better and might win a few benchmarks. But as for how it games, you will never see a difference. I would probably go with the cheaper of the two.

As far as the AIO coolers, they work well enough. I have a Corsair h115i and it keeps my system pretty cool. I ha e never had an issue with leakage either. But good air coolers can perform just as good as a AIO. So it’s up to you.

so why does a 1080 with water cooling not heat up so much , but an AMD 390x heat up so much ? is it difference in processing power or is it the cooling indeed ?! i used both on the same 6600K

 

[vMax]

As others have said, no maintenace at all other than the ocassional fan cleaning. Installation is simple as well and then you can pretty much forget it by setting a profile either in bios or whatever favorite programe you use to control the fans. I tend to go with quiet mode and it ramps up the fans as the loads increase. All the AIO's now tend to ship with 4 pin PWM fans. Pretty much install the AIO and leave alone until you upgrade.

 

[Weathered]

How much better would the Cooler Master AIO be than the Cyrorig H5? How big of a difference in temps would I see?

At this moment, not sure how much if any overclocking I would do. If I do any, would not be an extreme amount.

 

[vMax]

I have never used a Cryorig, so hopefully someone else who uses one can chime in, but I have a 8600K running at 4.9GHz with a Antec M360 AIO, one of the cheaper tripple 120mm fan AIO's. My temps at idle are 26 to 30 degrees in idle, gaming around 45 Degrees and stress testing with RealBench, Prime95, AIDA and intel XTU max 73 degrees. I dont think they are better than say the top end Air Coolers as I know the Noctua NH-D15 is a couple of degrees cooler at load...at least from the reviews I have read...Just that I do not want a lump of metal that big hanging of my CPU and purely from an aesthetic perspective I prefer the AIO..

 

[Weathered]

Ty for the info. I think I will stick with an air cooler for now. Even though I am sure not many people have had issues with leaks, just don't like the idea of having liquid inside my computer. Don't plan on doing much if any overclocking so surely the Cryorig would keep it cool enough.

Looks like the 8700k is out of stock again on newegg lol.