8bit vs 6bit but both with 16.7 Million color

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Hey guys

people advise me to pick more expensive ISP panel because it has more colors due to its 8bit panel versus 6bit panel of TN panels , but both products state that they both support the same amount of color which is 16.7 Million . so what is the difference in color richness between these two if they both are 16.7 Million ?
 
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Most monitors are 6+frc for 16.7m colors. It's not til higher end $300 monitors til you start seeing true 8 bit panels. Ips not isp. In plane switching. There's no reason to buy a monitor that is less than 1080p. The vs239 is good for a cheap monitor if you really have a limited selection. Actually cheap ips like that are very close to similar price tn panels.
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Hello... 1) Typically... The More bits means more Programing 'levels" within a "color" or "variables" "Fine adjustments" and bigger DATA words for the programmer's.
2) Sometime they ADD another Panel/Cell behind the 'Color' Panel/Cell for added Control of Black... The extra 2-bits might be for that. B )
 
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Hello... the Thing I have LAST researched is.... that the IPS panels/Cells are slower response vs TN for Gamers... the TIME of my last research... B / so that should be your main re-search and Consideration with your Rig/use... Are you a Gamer? Latency from a monitor sucks... with all GPU's B O
If your a Artist and into the Color ... you would get an IPS.
 
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Hello... ya it's the EYE candy B D... GO look at them locally first would be what I would do... surely there are similar spec Units/TV's
You have to be careful about advertised specs... look deeper for the different measured tests they do...there is grey-black-grey... black-white-black response times too B / 5ms was the best time through all the tests? OR Longest? these are things I would look at in my 'Gaming' decisions B /
Post one for me AND see if I can tear it apart line by line on the spec sheets... B D
 
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😀 Thanks man

here are the models

Asus VS239H-P ( ISP )

and

ASUS VS207D-P ( TN )

Price is not the problem , problem is that ISP panel is 1920x1080 compared to 1600x900 of TN that means 10 less FPS . ok thats no problem for high end graphic cards to handle but ill probably gonna need upgrade sooner with 1080p compared to 900p .
 
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The 8 bit panels produce 256 shades of each primary color.

The 6 bit panels produce only 64 shades of each primary color. It produces the intermediate shades by rapidly flickering between the two closest shades. It's basically time-dithering. e.g. a 6-bit panel can only produce shades 48 and 52. If it has to display shade 50, it will flicker between 48 and 52, showing 48 half the time, showing 52 half the time. If it has to display shade 51, it will show shade 48 1/4 of the time, shade 52 3/4 of the time. The process is called frame rate control (which is a weird name since it's not what PC users normally associate with framerates).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate_control

As for whether you'll notice the difference... Can you see old fluorescent lights flickering at 120 Hz? How about some of the new LED tail lights on certain cars (primarily GM, Ford Mustang, and Nissan; to a lesser extent Lexus/Toyota)? If you can't see these flicker, then you're not going to notice the difference between a 6-bit and 8-bit panel.

I you can see them flicker, then FRC on a 6-bit panel might annoy you. My eyes are sensitive enough to see the flicker from even high-end cars which seem to use LED PWM around 400+ Hz. But the 6-bit panels don't really bug me. I can see them flickering if I try, but I can usually ignore it. My sensitivity to them doesn't seem to be as pronounced as with LED PWM, which is completely turning on and off the LED at that frequency. (Your peripheral vision is more sensitive to this stuff, so try looking at these things out of the corner of your eye, instead of directly at it.)
 
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Hello... Sorry I burst your PC hardware dreaming Moments... B (

The Speed/TECH of the Panel/Cell is not there yet... Don't let some number on the Screen/AD say what YOU want it to say... B /

Maybe the next best thing is around the corner?... in your or My future?... My TN is still working and I'm Gaming... it would be something I would look at if it did Break B /
 
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you mean both those monitors are crap ? i have limited budget on monitor . its 90-130 or maybe a tiny bit more if the product is really damn good . they both look so nice 🙁 other monitors dont have the same nice design or they do have but they cost like ... alot
 
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Most monitors are 6+frc for 16.7m colors. It's not til higher end $300 monitors til you start seeing true 8 bit panels. Ips not isp. In plane switching. There's no reason to buy a monitor that is less than 1080p. The vs239 is good for a cheap monitor if you really have a limited selection. Actually cheap ips like that are very close to similar price tn panels.
 
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oh sorry 😀 about the IPS mistyping

oh that s one Good piece of information , i didn't know i have to pay 300$ to get true 8bit panel

there are no reasons to go for anything less than 1080p ? More FPS ? Longer GPU life span ? theres almost 10fps difference between 900p and 1080p

ok one last thing

whats the point of using IPS panel on VS239 when its still like VS208N-P , if they are both 6+frc then how does IPS panel give more advantage over TN ?

simply , whats the difference between 6+frc ( IPS ) vs 6+frc ( TN ) ? aside from viewing angles
 
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The whole reason there are different models and technologies in the first place. They try to improve panels or try ways to cut costs and need to sell any results of that r&d to recuperate costs plus a wide range of options means a wider audience to sell to. It's win + win. They have ways to make cheap ips which isn't as good as higher end ips but you still get a bit better color. Just because they are 6bit+frc does not mean the color coverage is the same. It's still ips vs tn. It is a bit slower but still fast enough, 5ms vs 1ms response, too small to affect input lag, contrast is similar, color is a bit better on ips, viewing angles it better on ips, ips does have a glow which may be undesirable for gaming, and any other -/+ for the comparison I may have missed.
 
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Low end IPS monitors are 8 bit. Low end TN monitors are 6 bit. The difference is VERY noticeable if you work with a lot of gradients. Technically it's 18 bit vs 24 bit, but as far as FRC is concerned, it does make a difference to everyone, that's not at all a subjective thing. Viewing distance and visual acuity are the only factors that need to be answered to figure out when, not if.

5 ms vs 1 ms doesn't exist. 1 ms can only be achieved with Lightboost, and that is very subjective. Your brain is going to get used to it very quickly. I can move seamlessly between DLP and LCD. DLP is approx. 100x faster response times (roughly 10 microseconds) than LCD's, even if it's using Lightboost.

It's basically pure marketing to sell more monitors.

Refresh rate > Response time

My DLP projector has noticeable more blur than my LCD, which throws the argument of response time out the window.
 
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Whatever tn panel you had was junk if it had a pinkish tint and was worse contrast.

Low end ips are not true 8 bit. Go look up a monitor that is true 8 bit and look at the cost. These cheap e-ips are 6+frc. You even see the asus mx which are ah-ips and are still 6. There's even 6 bit in their pa line which are supposed to be pro monitors.
 
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Guess i gotta save more for the monitor then . the only reason i'm not considering monitors with over 75 Refresh rate is because i'm afraid the experience would be so good that if a game ever ran around 60 it would seem slow to me . but i definitely gonna consider IPS monitor for its colors

and that pinkish tint wasnt from my tn monitor , i saw it on youtube , a guy was comparing IPS and TN and he mentioned that TN panels don't produce whiter white than IPS , its kinda of a cold tint sometimes Pinkish or blueish ( cold tint if you will ) .
 
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