Question 9070 XT 1%low stuttering

[jedi06]

Just brought a 9070 XT pre built system and was experiencing bad 1%lows off the bat, ranging from 50-100fps whilst getting a steady 120fps average. on some games/servers consistently dropping to as low as 30fps whilst having at least 80fps average, even on poor graphic settings the stutters still persist.

I have 2 PCs at the moment and there both plugged in to a 10a 250v 1-2 mitre extension lead to provide more sockets and that extension lead is plugged into the wall, I have another extension lead 13a 240V 1-2 mitre plugged into the first one to provide sockets for both my monitors.
Not sure if this is useless information but figured I'd put it here anyway. My other PSU is 1200w


UPDATE:
FSR4 at 1080p upscaled to 2k seems to help out a fair bit, appearing to provide better 1%lows, still far from perfect as there are still somewhat frequent 1%drops to 60-50ishFPS which hints me further to believing it could be an Internet issue and or a Driver issue. But I must say FSR4 is impressive, I couldn't even notice a difference visually between 1080p upscaled and native 2k besides the CPU having a little more headroom by the look of it and GPU power lower than before sitting at around 90w-220w roughly


Specs

Gigabyte 9070 XT OC
Ryzen 7 5700X3D
ASUS Prime B550M-A WIFI II
32g Corsair 3600 DDR4
850W Gold PSU
OS 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade 7000MTs/7700MTs
Main 180Hz 0.5ms 1440p AOC DP 2.1
Second 155Hz 1ms 1440p AOC DP 1.4
BOTH RUNNING AT 120Hz in settings
Fast Internet via Ethernet
Vader 4 Pro up to 1000Hz I only use 250Hz or 500Hz max (wired)



Things I've tried

Disabling MPO and Game DVR in reg edit
Disabling Microsoft Association Root Enumerator
Disabling High Precision Event Timer
Disabling RAM setting that keeps old data
Clean DDU reinstall of GPU drivers
Disabling SMT mode
Disabling Game Mode
Disabling Game Bar
Cleaned my steam cache
Verified the game files in steam
Optimized my SSD
Undervolted my GPU via AMD adrenaline
Increase power limit +10% via AMD
Disabling Re Bar
Disabling Security Device Support
Disabling any power saving settings
Disabling fast boot
Enabled ASUS Performance Enhancement
Enabled CBR15 Aggressive in Performance Bias
Disabling PSS support
Enabling Typical Current Idle power
Disabling NX mode
Tried capping frames to 135fps whilst playing at 120fps via MSI Afterburner
Tried capping frames in AMD adrenaline
Disabling vsync
Disabling variable refresh rate
Disabling GPU acceleration
Disabling all AMD adrenaline settings
Using Game Mode in Ryzen Master
Using Creator Mode in Ryzen Master

I'm not looking for the most fps possible, I'm more than happy with 100fps I just want it to feel smoother, playing on 120fps with 1%lows of 50-100 feels closer to 75fps and the stuttering is very noticable

GPU temps are around 65°c or under whilst gaming under full load and using anywhere from 100w-300w depending on graphics settings and I must say it has a crazy loud coil wine but that doesn't bother me. I haven't seen the GPU memory going anywhere near full load but the 3D seems to be consistently at 100% when gaming

CPU temps are around 60-70°c when gaming and overall utilization is around 35-50% with some cores hitting 80-95%

I haven't seen my RAM go anywhere above like 10g when gaming out of my 32g

And my SSD sits at around 30-40% whilst gaming I believe

The stuttering seems to be very inconsistent sometimes feeling somewhat okay and sometimes 1%lows consistently dropping to 50-60fps whilst still a pretty stable 120fps average

I ran several benchmarks on Steel Nomad and Speed Way and 1%lows seemed to be great

Steel Nomad (lowest fps I got)
1%L 63fps
AVG 66fps
Score: 7438
Board Power: 363W
Temp 63°c

Speed Way (lowest fps I got)
1%L 60fps
AVG 62fps
Score: 6558
Board Power:363W
Temp 63°c

And when I did some undervolting I was able to get even greater scores/FPS/1%L

I really don't know enough to properly diagnose any of these stuttering problems
so if anyone has any tips or advice it would be greatly appreciated!

Stay Blessed

 

[Aeacus]

The main game I'm currently playing is DayZ

DayZ is quite an old game.
It started out as Arma II mod (Arma II: DayZ) in 2013. Standalone DayZ was in Early Access for 5 years and in 2018, saw full release.

With old games, there are optimization issues (that may not never get fixed). Pair that with brand new GPU and you get what you currently see.

Do you think the 5700X3D is inadequate for this GPU? Or is it enough for most games?

I'd say it's enough. But CPU is slightly weaker than GPU.

Results: https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/1wU1y4/1/general-tasks/1920x1080/

 

[alceryes]

...but turning down the resolution to 1080p doesn't seem to make a difference with 1%Lows they were just as bad if not worse surprisingly.

This is exactly what I would expect from CPU bottlenecking.

Better to get that HWiNFO64 log though.

 

[jedi06]

Do you think the 5700X3D is inadequate for this GPU? Yes it most scenarios it should be perfectly fine.

I did more testing in another game (Arma Reforger) Medium-Low settings. at first it was really choppy and there were significant fps spikes, I saw the GPU power drop from roughly 280w all the way down to 30w causing a big spike in fps and it happened again 10 mins later dropping from again roughly 280w down to about 100w causing another big spike, but it wasn't frequent and it was still stuttering even without the power fluctuating. After 10-15 mins 1%lows actually seemed somewhat great from 90-110fps. Definitely not consistent as there where still weirdly big frame spikes occasionally and 1%lows where still fluctuating down to 50-60fps but overall 1%lows weren't bad as I said hitting up to 110fps but it was weirdly inconsistent. Even when 1%lows where at like 100fps the game would lag really bad whenever I try to render certain things. For example opening my map in game, looking down a sniper scope or any scope for that matter both caused really bad stutter/lag even when 1%lows where great beforehand

Do you think this could be a PSU or system issue?

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Hard to say being a new card and no real driver history to look back upon. I've come across a lot of threads with similar issues with the 9070 and 9070 XT. I think with future releases in the driver framework , it will improve. I doubt it's PSU related.

 

[jedi06]

Hard to say being a new card and no real driver history to look back upon. I've come across a lot of threads with similar issues with the 9070 and 9070 XT. I think with future releases in the driver framework , it will improve. I doubt it's PSU related.

Thanks for the reply again!

I also saw a bunch of other threads with people saying their power is fluctuating or even some saying their GPU is only using 90w or so. I really don't know enough about how drivers affect the GPU or the extent of it but would bad drivers really affect hardware to that extent?

 

[Aeacus]

but would bad drivers really affect hardware to that extent?

Yes, and very much so.

E.g DDU GPU drivers and look how your gaming fares. You'd be reverted to Win default display drivers, without being able to fully utilize the GPU. If the game even launches, that is.

 

[jedi06]

Yes, and very much so.

E.g DDU GPU drivers and look how your gaming fares. You'd be reverted to Win default display drivers, without being able to fully utilize the GPU. If the game even launches, that is.

Interesting so kinda like the 50 series launch? Some GPUs are affected some aren't?

 

[Manumarblanc]

Theoretically you have a better CPU than my 12600 without K,6 nucleus/12 theaths, we have the same NVME, psu 1200w ,ddr5 4800mhz that is, my motherboard is an As Gaming 690E and PCIe5 64gb DDR5, check that you have the latest BIOS installed, then I would delete Windows and load it again, I understand that it will have a license, it gives me performance up to 4k, for example, Fortni, The First Desce, it is recent games, it works well for me, I have not tried older games.Motherboard pci4.0 = -5%
Pci3.0 = -10% .
Check bios , drivers motherboard ,drivers amd adrenaline.

Use Full. mark test gpu and cpu burn.

 

[Manumarblanc]

Bios
https://www.asus.com/motherboards-c...elpdesk_bios?model2Name=PRIME-B550M-A-WIFI-II

 

[Manumarblanc]

Drivers

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-c...esk_download?model2Name=PRIME-B550M-A-WIFI-II

 

[Manumarblanc]

Amd adrenaline
https://www.amd.com/es/products/software/adrenalin.html

The cable router internet =direct to pc ,If the internet cable doesn't go directly to your PC's Ethernet connector, the communications it makes are of second priority.

 

[Manumarblanc]

Unistall inside boos motherboard the igpu grafic cpu amd.

Igpu=off

Reason ....conflit in games igpu amd/gpu amd.

 

[jedi06]

Amd adrenaline
https://www.amd.com/es/products/software/adrenalin.html

The cable router internet =direct to pc ,If the internet cable doesn't go directly to your PC's Ethernet connector, the communications it makes are of second priority.

It goes from my router into a terabyte splitter then into both my PCs that should be the same speed as if it was directly plugged in, although I suppose the terabyte splitter could be faulty and slowing it down. My bios is on the latest version and motherboard drivers I'm not sure. Do motherboard drivers not come with the latest bios version or are the drivers something separate I need to install. Also something to note both my PSUs are plugged into a 10a fuze 250V 1-2m extension lead that is then plugged into the wall I have another extension lead plugged into the first one to provide more sockets for my monitors also. My other PSU is 1200w.

 

[jedi06]

Unistall insidemotherboard the igpu grafic cpu amd.

Igpu=off

Reason ....conflit in games igpu amd/gpu amd.

The 5700X3D doesn't have an IGPU is this still something I need to disable?

 

[Manumarblanc]

Asus armory crate

https://www.asus.com/es/supportonly/armoury%20crate/helpdesk_knowledge/

Resizable bar =on

 

[Aeacus]

Interesting so kinda like the 50 series launch? Some GPUs are affected some aren't?

Yes.

Given the plethora of different hardware combos one can put any GPU in (mini-ITX, micro-ATX, ATX, SSE-IB), hundreds of different CPUs, plethora of different RAM etc, all kind of different issues may appear.

With RTX 4090, GPU power connector melting was an issue. But not every single RTX 4090 melted. Some did. Most of the times, it was user error (not inserting power cable fully). Now, with RTX 5090 being the latest and greatest, i've also seen some instances of it's power connector melting as well.

Theoretically you have....

Even if two of the builds would be identical hardware wise, they still do differ performance wise. Silicone lottery is one such culprit.

Theoretically, OP's build should work fine. Practically - it doesn't.

Do motherboard drivers not come with the latest bios version or are the drivers something separate I need to install.

Yes, MoBo drivers (chipset) are separate package compared to BIOS (firmware).

It's just like with GPUs. GPUs also have their own BIOS (firmware), while GPU drivers are completely different and require manual installation.

The 5700X3D doesn't have an IGPU is this still something I need to disable?

No. The option would be greyed out, if even present.

Note: AMD Adrenalin is a bloatware. You PC (any PC in that matter) doesn't need that software to run. Heck, it can even mess up your system.
Same goes to all other MoBo brand "utility" tools, like:
Asus Armory Crate
MSI Command Center (now known as Dragon Center)
AsRock Motherboard Utility
Gigabyte Control Center
Intel XTU (Extreme Tuning Utility)

Back in the day, when i bought my Skylake build components, i did install the MSI Command Center (since i have MSI MoBo). While it has fancy GUI, it, flat-out, failed to detect my RAM and forced it to run 2133 MT/s. While my RAM is 3000 MT/s.
So, booted into BIOS, set XMP to 3000 MT/s and it held fine. Booted into OS and as soon as MSI Command Center launched (i had auto start enabled), the damn thing forced my RAM back to 2133 MT/s. Only fix that i found, was to completely uninstall that bloatware of a software. After that, RAM held 3000 MT/s within OS and has done so for the last ~9 years or so.

 

[Manumarblanc]

For older Day Z games, the best thing you can do on AMD is use Optiscaler; tutorials are on YouTube.

Your CPU is bottlenecked by 17% at 1080p, 7% at 1440p, and 0% at 2160p + +5% motherboard pci express 4.0 x 16....

 

[Manumarblanc]

If you overclock the BIOS/software, CPU, DDR4, GPU... uninstall all of that.

When you have an Ethernet switch, it's marked Ethernet 1, Ethernet 2, etc. Depending on the higher the Ethernet number, the lower the priority. The same requests on Ethernet 2 will always be slower, especially if two PCs share the same internet connection simultaneously. You can't prevent the other PC from downloading content from a Windows update that's using up all the bandwidth.
maximum latency in your favorite online game on your other PC.

 

[Manumarblanc]

ethernet 1 cable to gaming pc, if you are playing the other PC is off.

 

[Manumarblanc]

So you don't have to worry about finding and updating drivers, we provide our own Asus Armoury Crate application. This application tells you which BIOS you have installed, searches for the drivers, downloads them, and you just have to go to the drivers tab and run them.
You won't waste time searching for drivers on the official ASUS website for your motherboard.

This software also controls the LEDs on your motherboard, giving them light effects or turning them off.

 

[Manumarblanc]

AMD Adrenalin is a software that allows you to automatically update your AMD GPU drivers.
It also allows you to select four performance profiles for your AMD GPU.Hyper-RX,Hyper-RX ECo,quality,predetermined
,personalized
It also allows you to select individual graphics settings for your game.
Radeon superesolution,Fidelity FX superesolucion 4,etc,etc.
It also provides a numerical and graphical on-screen display of your PC's performance in-game, with the following: fps, 99% fps, microstuttering, frame delay, GPU temp, host spot temp, VRAM temp, GPU watt burn, GPU usage percentage, VRAM usage percentage, CPU usage percentage, and DDR usage percentage,% fans.

Amd chat.=IA

 

[Manumarblanc]

if you want to see the graphs the steps are: tab "Performance", "metrics", "tracking" there you have a lot of metrics, select what interests you and leave it in red, next to the "tracking" button, you have another option "overlay" press it and you will see "activate metric overlay" and "detect game for metric overlay" both options have to be checked, the options below are to put the metrics in columns or rows, with or without opacity, etc.

 

[QyInvoLing]

Have you noticed on the GPU memory temperature?

 

[Manumarblanc]

In your bios you have to have uefi and rezsizable bar activated and CSM deactivated

The logic is that whoever buys a new GPU is to use it with relatively new games from Steam/Epic Games/Wargaming.net, Ubisoft, etc., not ones from 10 years ago where you probably won't find optimized drivers. For example, a Nvidia 50 series can't run 32-bit PHYHS games.

Assassin's Creed came out 2 days ago and has an optimized AMD driver with 20% more performance.

 

[jedi06]

Yes.

Given the plethora of different hardware combos one can put any GPU in (mini-ITX, micro-ATX, ATX, SSE-IB), hundreds of different CPUs, plethora of different RAM etc, all kind of different issues may appear.

With RTX 4090, GPU power connector melting was an issue. But not every single RTX 4090 melted. Some did. Most of the times, it was user error (not inserting power cable fully). Now, with RTX 5090 being the latest and greatest, i've also seen some instances of it's power connector melting as well.


Even if two of the builds would be identical hardware wise, they still do differ performance wise. Silicone lottery is one such culprit.

Theoretically, OP's build should work fine. Practically - it doesn't.


Yes, MoBo drivers (chipset) are separate package compared to BIOS (firmware).

It's just like with GPUs. GPUs also have their own BIOS (firmware), while GPU drivers are completely different and require manual installation.


No. The option would be greyed out, if even present.

Note: AMD Adrenalin is a bloatware. You PC (any PC in that matter) doesn't need that software to run. Heck, it can even mess up your system.
Same goes to all other MoBo brand "utility" tools, like:
Asus Armory Crate
MSI Command Center (now known as Dragon Center)
AsRock Motherboard Utility
Gigabyte Control Center
Intel XTU (Extreme Tuning Utility)

Back in the day, when i bought my Skylake build components, i did install the MSI Command Center (since i have MSI MoBo). While it has fancy GUI, it, flat-out, failed to detect my RAM and forced it to run 2133 MT/s. While my RAM is 3000 MT/s.
So, booted into BIOS, set XMP to 3000 MT/s and it held fine. Booted into OS and as soon as MSI Command Center launched (i had auto start enabled), the damn thing forced my RAM back to 2133 MT/s. Only fix that i found, was to completely uninstall that bloatware of a software. After that, RAM held 3000 MT/s within OS and has done so for the last ~9 years or so.

I did try to install GPU drivers without the AMD software and issues still seemed to persist, I did also install Ryzen Master are these things I should get rid of an do testing without them. I'll check I have motherboard drivers up to date when I next boot up.
I've seen some people potentially fix there stuttering by using certain AMD adrenaline features and or changing settings in the specific steam game launcher not entirely sure how to do this or if it could help.


Thanks for the help!