9200SE or MX440 ?

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A mate of mine had a MX440 with no fan and it fried when he oc'ed it. With a fan, I've overclocked mine by 20mhz on both gpu and memory, and it runs fine, no heat issues. Perhaps a fan is a good idea.

XP2000, 256ddr 2100ram, GF4 MX440, XP Pro
 
I would buy MX440-8x

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I was going to stay out of this thread cause seriously, it's a terrible topic. It's like;

"If you had to chose between having your eyes gouged out and getting kicked in the nuts which would you take?"
"A so you like getting kicked in the nust do you, nut-kicker!"

Anywhoo, here's some benchies;

Lotsa Cards:
<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/over2003/index.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/over2003/index.html</A>

The R9200SE versus the FX5200SE:
<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/asus-ati.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/asus-ati.html</A>

Look at the benchies at the bottom of this review
<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/pcolor-1.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/pcolor-1.html</A>

The R9200SE does look much better than the FX5200SE, but against the GFMXs it does seem to trail a bit. The thing is in modern games it does perform better....... BUT, we're talking about 5 fps versus 4 fps. Not something to be trumpeted by either side, and not enough to redeem the R9200SE.

Visual quality on the R9200SE will likely be superior, but that makes little difference if it's a pretty slide show.

Personally I hate this question, because I wouldn't waste my money on either, nor recommend friend do so either. Heck I'd sell my friend my R9000 first and take the difference and replace it with a P650 or something.


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil:
 
I can understand being on a budget, just not having your wife decide a 9200se or G4MX440 is what card you can buy.

If he is truely your friend, why don't you order him a faster card online. (Radeon 8500le, or better) and let him pay you cash. He can give you the $40 or whatever for the 9200se and then pay the rest over time. Seriously, as Grape just put it so bluntly, you don't want a friend to buy one of these cards. I've let friends and family Trade up for free sometimes because I hate to see them with pitiful fps when I have a card in stock that would fly in comparison.

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9500 Pro, Santa Cruz, Antec 1000AMG, TruePower 430watt
 
Grape, THX for coming to this guys rescue. I have never seen that 80 card shootout, but am going to enjoy it tonight. LOL, I can see how my Rage Fury Pro compares to a 9800XT. :wink:

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9500 Pro, Santa Cruz, Antec 1000AMG, TruePower 430watt
 
Again thanks for the advice. You guys seem to forget that he is using VIA Unicrome right now. Now THAT is pathetic. He'll play newer games with like 15 fps sometimes. He'll love this new card :)
 
Out of curiosity I benched the 9200SE on his comp before we're going to return is and it got a pitiful 3600 on 3D Mark 2001SE 1024x768. His oboard 32MG shared Unicrome gets 1500 so it is better but not by enough.
Looking around at benchmarks I would guess the MX440 will get around 7000, much much better then the 9200SE by far. For cheaper even :)

Oh and his system btw is
Athlon 2600+
512 PC2700
Gigabyte GA-7VM400M-P mobo
80GB Maxtor 7200 HD
 
How do his games play? Is he thrilled with the new card?

We tried to warn you. Remember, 3dmarks are far from everything. A Radeon 8500le could score close to 10,000 on his system. A Ti4200 close to 12000.

As has been suggested, why not help your friend out a little so he can move up to a card that actually has some gaming value.

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9500 Pro, Santa Cruz, Antec 1000AMG, TruePower 430watt
 
Lol.

<A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=610166081" target="_new">http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=610166081</A>
Figured i'd do it too..reality my ass.
 
We have an old computer with a mmx 420 and athlon 1333 and it only benches like 1300.

<A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=610166081" target="_new">http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=610166081</A>
Figured i'd do it too..reality my ass.
 
He is more then thrilled, estatic is more like it :) Intsalled Medal Oh Honor, GTA3 Vice City and Neverwinter nights and they all play awesome! Much better then I expected.
Went from a 3DMark score of 1500 to 6000+

So to sum it up.

2001SE benchmarks on the exact same system. Same OS settings etc etc. 1024x768 32bit

Onboard Via Unicrome 32MB Shared
<b>1510</b>

Saphire Radeon 9200SE 128MB DDR 8x
<b>3702</b>

Pandex Geforce4 MX440 64MB DDR 8x
<b>6041</b>

I'm glad I looked into it further. Even saved myself $10 in the process. The framerates look much nicer on the MX440 compared to the 9200SE (don't even get me started on the onboard) and I did not see the FPS dip below 30 on any of the game tests in 3DMark, even the high detail ones (of course the MX440 is only DX7 so I could not run nature test).
Now to take a look at the overclocking potential of the MX440 and push a few more hundred points.
 
So got a Pandex GF4 MX440-8x. On the online description from where I bought it it says that it's supposed to run at 275MHz core and 500MHz (250DDR) memory.

Problem is when I installed coolbits I was surprised to see the memory clock sitting at 332MHz... My question is, does the 332MHz mean the DDR speed or do I times that by 2 to get the real clock speed?

Here is a picture of how high I was able to oc without artifacts.
<A HREF="http://www.telusplanet.net/public/smarchuk/misc/clockfreq.PNG" target="_new">http://www.telusplanet.net/public/smarchuk/misc/clockfreq.PNG</A>

So does that 354 mean 354 total DDR speed or 354x2=708... although I find 708 hard to believe...

So if it is indeed 333MHz DDR (166x2) then that is pretty crappy as I thought all 8x MX440's were 275/<b>500</b>! 166MHz less is quite allot of a difference! 😡

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
Hey I thought this was for a friend not you. So why did it cost you $10 less? I thought it had to be one of those 2 cards because his wife wouldn't let him shop online (online was not an option). Yet you bought it online and still bought a GF4 MX440? I am confused. :wink: I am beginning to wonder if you are the one with the King-of-the-Household Wife. :smile: And I still can't believe that online you chose either of those cards.

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
 
Was that sarcasm really neccecary 🙁

Yes it is for him. Situation is that he will be using this box for at work mostly on night shifts. Since I work with him and he is leaving it in his locker I will be able to use it on my night shifts (we work oposite rotations). I don't know why I have to explain my situation to you guys, it doesn't seem very nice, needed or welcome 🙁
You don't need to try and play with my words.

FYI I have a 2100+@2700+ 512 PC2700 and a GF4 Ti4200-8x 128MG card.

But I still have the question about the clock speeds...
Thanks.
 
So my question is quite simple.
Does the Memory Clock frequency shown by the "clock frequencies tab" show the DDR speed or the regular speed (of course you would then times by 2 to get the DDR speed).
 
My GF4 MX440 4x agp shows core clock at 270mhz, memory at 400mhz. Hope that helps, I would suggest this is the ddr value, ie 200mhz x2

XP2000, 256ddr 2100ram, GF4 MX440, XP Pro
 
Just giving you a hard time as you know I really had hoped you'd step up a notch. If you are happy with your purchase and it's performance, don't stress over feeling ripped off. If you still question your cards clock speeds, Run a 3dmark03 test and look under system details. It will show you your exact GPU clock & memory clock, as well as cpu speed. Then use the online results browser and you can compare what others with almost identical specs are getting.


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
 
I'm sure. The clock speed is 275/333. On the webpage where I bought it from it was listed as 275/500. That is a major difference. I will be going down to the shop to have a little talk with them later on.
I can only imagine that I should get another 1000 points if I get a MX440 with an extra 166MHz on the memory.

Some people have said that you can't trust 3D Mark 2001SE all that much. But a difference of 3700:7000 ? C'mon that's HUGE! :)
 
Just googled, and looks like memory clock is variable depending on brand. My Inno3d is 400, while Chaintech is 333mhz, and pixelview 550 :|

XP2000, 256ddr 2100ram, GF4 MX440, XP Pro
 
With 333Mhz memory, seems like you got a MX440SE. Ya I guess I'd be ticked buying 500-550 and getting 333.

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
 
Hope your friend enjoys the card for as long as possible.

Just remember about 3dmark2001se, it is not a good indication how well newer games will play. Whoever suggested that the GF4MX440 will play HL2 at 1024x768, is in a GFMX fantasy world. I think Ti4200 owners are going to be playing at 800x600 and with far lower image quality then they had hoped for.

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
 
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