9600Pro: Enough for HalfLife2??

daddywags214 · Jul 18, 2003

Realistically, will it be powerful enough to run HalfLife2 smoothly? I like playing games with as high of settings as I can and still achieve a playable framerate. I realize that there is no truly accurate way to judge this now, but some speculation would be nice.

These days, no matter what company you like, be it nVidia, ATi, or whatever, no matter how logical your reasons, you're labeled an idiot or a fanboy, or both.

TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 18, 2003

Depends on what native resolution you want to run at. I wouldn't expect it to run smooth above 1280x1024 with anything turned up. 1024x768 should run well with GOOD 4XAA/8XAF. But we wont' know for sure until some review site publishes their trials with it. I'm looking forward to that review too. Or I'll let you know after I buy my copy.

Here's to hoping. However if this is to decide whether or not to buy a card, wait, Wait, WAIT ! What!?! At least until it comes out and you can be sure. I NEEDED a new GFX card, if you don't then wait 'til you can be sure.

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daddywags214 · Jul 19, 2003

I was really just asking for reference, for anybody. I'm buying a 9800 Pro!

These days, no matter what company you like, be it nVidia, ATi, or whatever, no matter how logical your reasons, you're labeled an idiot or a fanboy, or both.

POPEGOLDX · Jul 19, 2003

well if u wanna play half life 2 u hve no choice but ATI

nvidia cards cant run it cus of dx 9 problems

kinney · Jul 19, 2003

dude you are confused here, the dx9 issue is a FSAA bug

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POPEGOLDX · Jul 19, 2003

how am i confused

the dx9 bug as u call it is fixable in ATI cards but not nvdia cards..

kinney · Jul 19, 2003

The Nvidia cards can still all play HL2, they just have a bug in them that affected all DX9 cards that can't be fixed. (supposedly)
But it only affects image quality of FSAA

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 19, 2003

Kinney, read the story MORE closely. The issue CAN be fixed on ATI cards but supposedly there is no workaround (yet) for the NVs. Yees it's only AA, but it's still a NEGATIVE issue, not a good selling point.

Here's the exact text:

The developers of the legendary Half-Life game said that drivers are not likely to solve the problem, however, it still can be solved for graphics cards based on VPUs from ATI Technologies, such as RADEON 9500-, 9600-, 9700- and 9800-series. As for NVIDIA GeForce and GeForce FX-series, there are practically no chances to find a workaround, according to Valve.

Of course it may be fixed in DX9.1 like they say.

And all the more reason Daddywags to wait for the R420. HeHe, it'll kill even that R9800Pro.

So maybe you SHOULD get an R9600Pro to last until you can get your hands on an R420 with PS 3.0++++++++++EXTRA. 😎

Now for some unnecessary faces

:lol:

😡 😱

:frown: :redface: :tongue: 😱

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phial · Jul 19, 2003

haahaa

you make me laugh foog

=)

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kinney · Jul 19, 2003

What are you my guardian angel in this forum or something. Your not the truthbringer you think you are.
I didnt misunderstand the article. I think daddywags thought that it was going to make the game completely unplayable on the FX series.

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addiarmadar · Jul 19, 2003

It should run great using 1024x768 res with filterings. But also your CPU and RAM will also play a major role too. At least a 2gig cpu and pc2700 would be sweet.

daddywags214 · Jul 19, 2003

I'm not that dumb, kinney. I'm still buying the ATi, though, and I've explained my reasons many times.

And grape, I plan on buying whatever is the fastest when I go to make my purchase. I may have to wait awhile. My (lovely) parents bought a 2003 Honda Odyssey today, and they're my moneyline. If we don't get a computer until R420 arrives, that's what I'll get.

These days, no matter what company you like, be it nVidia, ATi, or whatever, no matter how logical your reasons, you're labeled an idiot or a fanboy, or both.

kinney · Jul 19, 2003

I didnt think you were dumb, I wanted to make sure thats not what you thought when you said it didnt work on NV.
The 9800 pro is a fine card for the price and probably the better deal over the 5900 pro at this moment on that I have to agree with you.

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coolsquirtle · Jul 20, 2003

IMO none of the high ends cards are good deals, it probably take ATi and nVidia like $50 to make the card (guessing) and their selling it for $300-$500

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I'd get a nVidia GeForce FX 5900Ultra... if THEY WOULD CHANGE THAT #()#@ HSF

TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 20, 2003

Yes Kinney, I'm your Albatross! And I WILL haunt you throughout this forum as long as you post BS. And if you read above DDW didn't even MENTION the FX it was someone else (popegoldx). So once again READ, this time the thread. GEEZ, and right after a post recommending your READ more closely before posting. Ya' never learn, eh!

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 20, 2003

DDW, That's the spirit. I'm stoked for the PCI-EX enabled cards 😎 , and if you can wait that long (although unfortunately it MAY be after the release of HL2, D]|[, DeusEx2, etc) then it's the best choice IMO. So I was thinnking stop-gap measure was what you were looking for. In general I'd think I'll be ok playing everything/anything until those cards come out, but then again that won't be with everything 'on'.

BTW I forget what are you running now? And don't forget our D]|[ requirements thread

. You'll likely be able to play it on almost anything within the last 2 years that isn't integrated. Just don't expect shadows.

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POPEGOLDX · Jul 20, 2003

i need to get this g4-4400 out of my rig now....fast

ima geta 9800 just to hold me until the r420...then splurge and get it....

TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 20, 2003

If you can find one a 9700non-pro may be a better deal. It's usually pretty cheap and is still a good card especially to tide one over until the PS 3.0 cards.

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kinney · Jul 20, 2003

My posts are not BS.. and proof is you wont leave me or my posts alone!
Your narrowminded view of me is whats annoying, somehow you've declared as a person of total idiocy capable of nothing but being someone for you to flame.. well I think your a jerk and should get out of my online face.
Just because you dont agree with what I say doesnt make you the judge around here.
List what I've said thats BS, I've listed in other threads why I have certain preferences and they are valid.. you are an idiot.

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daddywags214 · Jul 20, 2003

Well, Grape, heh, my current setup isn't "equipped" for gaming.

Cheapie VIA-based mobo
AMD K6-2 500 mHz
196mb PC100
(Partially) fried Trident Blade 8mb
Integrated sound

Yeah.

All of my current gaming is on my dad's office computer, when I get a chance to use it. Specs:

Ultra400 AOPEN nForce2 AK79D-400n
AMD AthlonXP 2500+
1gb PC2700
ATi Radeon 9600 Pro
Soundstorm 5.1

AHA! That's why I used the 9600 Pro for reference. Because most likely, that's where I'll start, right in his office.

These days, no matter what company you like, be it nVidia, ATi, or whatever, no matter how logical your reasons, you're labeled an idiot or a fanboy, or both.

daddywags214 · Jul 20, 2003

Uhh, actually Grape is one of the smartest, most competent people on this board.

These days, no matter what company you like, be it nVidia, ATi, or whatever, no matter how logical your reasons, you're labeled an idiot or a fanboy, or both.

kinney · Jul 20, 2003

The only high end card I bought on release was the gf2 GTS and I didnt regret that (because of its longevity) but I think I wouldve majorly regretting buying the GF3 brand new.
I'm having trouble shelling out for the new NV as they seem quirky, first 5800 troubles, then this AA issue. I just want to give it some time.
The 5600 ultra w/flipchip seems to be the best midrange choice besides I cant find it anywhere.. I hope they keep the price at $200.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 20, 2003

List what I've said thats BS, I've listed in other threads why I have certain preferences and they are valid.. you are an idiot.

Ok, and let's start with a FEW, I'll forget about listing your constant posting to out-of-date info, and chalk that up to ignorance (to which I'll also ascribe that last bit);

Now from <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=356990#356990" target="_new">THIS</A> thread;

Nvidia always pulls 110% out of their hardware through drivers, and this is the first time that Nvidia has better hardware than ATI. 

Ok, let's see, ask anyone, especially EDEN, and they will tell you that the Theoretical performance of the NV cards is WAY above their ACTUAL performance. Whereas the ATIs are pretty much near their max. performance. So your first line other than just being hyperbole, it's plain BS. And then there's the END of that sentence. This is NOT the first time. Wow two loads of BS in one sentence. Shall I go on? Ok one more from the same paragraph;

Usually its the other way around ,GF3 vs 8500 for example. The 8500 was faster at first and had superior hardware,

Atually this is the EXACT opposite and the perception was that the GF3tis were far better than the R8500s which only improved with drivers (unlocking that better hardware? well maybe you got that right, but still the GF3ti didn't not come from behind, and are co-leaders depending on which GF3ti, which game, and whether AA/AF is used). Now that's just from ONE post in the thread I could catalogue ALL of your errors, but then again I don't know if it requires THAT much proof. I think most people here have already seen them and said 'what the heck is he talking/writing about!?!' Let's not mention your linking the features as being a selling point. Features that included the FX flow. You link to alot of OLD/irrelevent reviews details and then don't back up what you say. No better than a GOOGLE search.

If you need more just let me know. Considering the SMALL number of posts you have here, and the small contribution you've made; there's ALOT of BS there, especially in just ONE post.

And no I won't leave you or our posts alone as long as you continue to post crap. I'd rather focus on the group but people like yourself detract from the information availible in the group. So if I can get you to either start researching before you post or stop posting all together then fine. Otherwise each of your BS posts will likely be followed by one of mine refuting and discrediting you. If you post quality info then I'll also leave you alone because my problem isn't with you but your info.
So I won't 'get out of my online face.' until that happens. And no I'm not the judge around here, that's everyone else watching/reading. Once again I ask, 'do you think you've made your point'? I know I have yet again.

DDW, Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'll have to forward that to my psychologist.

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kinney · Jul 20, 2003

they will tell you that the Theoretical performance of the NV cards is WAY above their ACTUAL performance. Whereas the ATIs are pretty much near their max. performance
Whats that have to do with my quote? Nothing. I dont know if you forgot about the driver increases Nvidia has put out in the past that increased performance in some cases up to 20% in a single update.. my old GTS seemed like an entirely new card.
My point which you mistook, is to give NV more time, they will pull more performance out of the FX line, you probably won't see that for the r300 series. And if they are already at their theoretical max..

this is the EXACT opposite and the perception was that the GF3tis were far better than the R8500s which only improved with drivers (unlocking that better hardware? well maybe you got that right, but still the GF3ti didn't not come from behind, and are co-leaders depending on which GF3ti, which game, and whether AA/AF is used

GF3TI? Who said anything about the GF3TI? I said Geforce 3, in case you forgot there was a GF3 before the ti series. And for your uninformed self, its about between the GF3 ti200 and ti500 in performance.
And sorry but the 8500 was more advanced feature wise than the GF3s. The 8500 had PS1.4 while the GF3 was limited to 1.3. Though I dont use google searches, my info is all based off my memory and actual experience.
In fact the 8500 was released AFTER the GF3.

I benched Q3A against a friends 1800+ rig (I have the 1700+) who has a 8500 and my ol' GF3 beat it handily, a 10fps lead but regardless he had a faster processor.. of course there are other variables but I dont remember his mobo chipset ect. but we both had ddr 266, I was running a KT266A at the time.

Anyway, I might have been wrong about the 8500 being faster on launch date, like I said I go off of my memory and unlike yourself, I'm not perfect all the time.
I've made rather few untrue comments but thanks for scruntizing my every word.. I will stand behind most of it and anything that I messed up on I will admit too.

I doubt someone who is always right such as yourself could do the same.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 20, 2003

Whats that have to do with my quote?

Everything;
Let's review the quote: Nvidia always pulls 110% out of their hardware through drivers...

Umm, it sounds like theoretical vs actually is EXACTLY related to how much they 'pull' out of their hardware.

GF3TI? Who said anything about the GF3TI? I said Geforce 3, in case you forgot there was a GF3 before the ti series

No I haven't forgotten, but as the GF3ti was closer in release date I naturally assumed (how naive of me 😱 ) that you were talking about the true head-3-head performer. And even the GF3 itself was above the R8500 in most gaming tests at the start (which ATI complained were NV biased [the way it's meant to be played no even started yet]). And the PS1.3 vs 1.4 issue is irrelevant here because that shortcoming wasn't even fixed with the GF4tis (avoiding the idea of MX this time) only with the adoption of PS2.0 which includes 1.4 as a subset. So it's really irrelevant, or is the GF4 a lesser card than the R8500?

In fact the 8500 was released AFTER the GF3.

Yes and that was the point. Even looking at the GF3 NOW it all depends on what you TEST, just like I said. And the same applies for the GF3tis which were released JUST after the R8500. And using Q3 as a test on low settings is pointless as 165 v. 170 FPS means very little. Check the other tests.

I doubt someone who is always right such as yourself could do the same.

Hmm sarcasm eh, interesting. Well I do make mistakes (like PCI-X vs PCI-EX) but I don't misdirect the corrections and insult the person with the correct answer, like you do. And if I'm not sure then I put down IIRC, thereby letting people know, I'm not Ivory sure/pure.
I suggest YOU do the same.

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9600Pro: Enough for HalfLife2??

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