980 ti vs 295x2 (4k & custom watercool)

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Wait until June 24. There will be a new player in the 4K field.

AMD will be releasing a new flagship video card much like Nvidia has the Titan, well the rumors now are that the AMD card will be called the Radeon Fury. It will be the first product in the world to use a new memory technology that AMD designed, and then turned over to JEDEC the memory standards people. This memory is stacked, just like pancakes, but the magic is that it sits on a piece of silicon that the GPU is also on. Each stand of this memory is 1GB of memory, and has an incredible 1024 bit wide bus. Now most high end video cards have a memory bus that is 384 bits wide, and a few have a 512 bit bus. But this new video card from AMD is going to have 4 of those memory...
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Personally, strictly from only those two choices, neither.

980ti does not have enough power to run 4k well on its own, 295x is far too dependent on working Crossfire profiles. Same could be said about SLI profiles and 980ti SLI though, but 980ti has better single GPU power and bigger VRAM than 295x.

And no, this statement does not take into DX12 into account, because it's far too big of an unknown at this stage, but if 295x lacks VRAM now, even with VRAM stacking its GPU power won't be enough either.
 
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Well if you had to choose, because I have 4k monitor now and want to use it as best i can.
 
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Wait until June 24. There will be a new player in the 4K field.

AMD will be releasing a new flagship video card much like Nvidia has the Titan, well the rumors now are that the AMD card will be called the Radeon Fury. It will be the first product in the world to use a new memory technology that AMD designed, and then turned over to JEDEC the memory standards people. This memory is stacked, just like pancakes, but the magic is that it sits on a piece of silicon that the GPU is also on. Each stand of this memory is 1GB of memory, and has an incredible 1024 bit wide bus. Now most high end video cards have a memory bus that is 384 bits wide, and a few have a 512 bit bus. But this new video card from AMD is going to have 4 of those memory stacks on it, which will make the memory bus 4096 bits wide. No, that is not a typo.

And since DisplayPort is the only display technology right now that can transport a video signal that can do 3840x2160 @ 60Hz, the back of this new video card will have 3 DisplayPorts and 1 HDMI (30Hz only).

We do need to wait for June 24th to get here though, unless AMD surprises us by releasing it early, but once the benchmarks hit, I think this is going to challenge, if not blow away, the competition.
 
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Is the 295x2 really much better? What makes you say that. There is more overclocking headroom for the titan x.
 
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If he is talking strictly from raw performance point of view, then yes, 295x is better than Titan X in that regard. A titan X (and hence 980ti) has similar performance to SLI 970's.

But of course, this is spoken in the context that games scale 100% under crossfire, most games don't scale that well. With the US pricing it may be better bang for the buck, but depending on how you upgrade, Titan X or 980ti leaves the option of SLI'ing it open, where as for 295x you pretty much have to replace the card, since second 295x will not give you significant increases due to lack of tri or quad Crossfire support.
 
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I think it's a proven that 295x2 is better than titanx, most of reviewer site i saw..
(but it's kinda not fair if u think single vs dual, but in terms of price it's perfectly fair to compare)

anyways this new amd single chip rumored have 295x2 performance, so it the best to wait and see if it's true or not..
 
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and also, you should know that the 295x2 is cheaper than 290x CrossFire... and comes with liquid cooling system.... Dual GPU always better than SLI or Crossfire.. because some games doesn't support SLI or Crossfire and they running perfectly on Dual GPU like 295x2.... so i'd say that is another feature....
 
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Whoa there, you should at least tell the full story. Yes HBM will improve vram bandwidth, but not as much as you make out.

Current smaller busses are running at 5/6/7Ghz, this first gen HBM runs at 1Ghz.

http://anandtech.com/show/9266/amd-hbm-deep-dive/4

Its going to be a big boost sure, but perhaps not quite as big as you are implying...
 
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Thats a matter of opinion. On GTA 5 for example, if you turn off AA (who needs AA at 4k?) and set the quality to "high" it gives decent frame rates.

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Add overclocking into the mix and it returns some very good fps at 4k!
http://anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review/17
 
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yes.... but i think Dual GPU much better than Crossfire...
 
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Well its not, its still Crossfire.
 
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980ti for sure. choice is easy i'll list some of my thoughts:

- dx 12.1 support ( r9295x2 is only 12.0)
- single gpu
- half TDP ( 250 while 295x2 is 500)
- overclockable
- nvidia driver support( glorious)
- nvidia gameworks
- physx
- preoptimised games

so yes... choice is easy. go for the 980ti

I'll add one more note: 95% of games does not have crossfire profile even months after release. just look at witcher 3, people need to play on medium settings on a 295x2 on 1080p to maintain a stable 60 fps, because only 1 of 2 gpus are working, while a 980 easily maintains 60fps on ultra.
295x2 looks better on paper
980, 980ti, titan x works better in real life.
 
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Hairworks was terrible.

And you'll still need 2 980TI's to run 4K pretty well.
 
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why is hairworks terrible? I think it looks amazing, i use it on witcher 3 on a single 980 and runs totally fine.

Also yes a single titan-x or 980ti won't be enough to run 4k on ultra 60fps, thats true, but still you have the chance to upgrade to SLI

And before anyone would say, it's not the same as crossfire! mostly because all games come preoptimised for nvidia gpus. this means most titles has proper SLI support at release, while no cfx support at release.

With a 295x2 you close your upgrade path. no games will use 4 way crossfire.
 
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Hairworks takes a big hit on GPU resources, Okay of you can run it but it's not a option for most of us here. (WIll run on the 980ti no doubt)

Losing preoptimization is an okay compromise, I'd rather wait 2 weeks before optimzation and save a ton of money.

All up to OP to decide.
 
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yes, i agree.. but 3** series are coming out in 20 days... we should wait to see them in real life 😛
 
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Did I not say we need to see the benchmarks first? I think that is saying, "Lets wait until we know the whole story"...

I think that response was long enough. I tend to write books trying to explain things to people, and I wanted to kind of keep that answer a bit shorter than a full blown book.
 
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I think listing the clock speed as well as the bus width would have been accurate, as one figure is useless without the other if you want to know what the bandwidth is.... Rather than just making a big deal about the large bus width and comparing it to current cards without telling the whole story...
 
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If you pre order games and play right at release go for a single card, if you don't buy games till a couple months after they come out or wait for a sale a crossfire setup will be good.

I run crossfire 290x at 4k and I pre ordered the witcher 3, and at 4k with textures and detail levels at ultra and the rest at high, no AA or hairworks I can keep it over 30fps and it's smooth with a single 290x. AMD did come out with a crossfire profile and I can get 50+ fps at 4k, it just took 2 weeks.

If you can I would wait and see how the fury does in benchies.
 
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"And since DisplayPort is the only display technology right now that can transport a video signal that can do 3840x2160 @ 60Hz, the back of this new video card will have 3 DisplayPorts and 1 HDMI (30Hz only)."

Wrong. HDMI 2.0 can do that.

As for the OP, I'd rather have the 980 Ti between those two. If looking into the 295x2 as in a multi gpu option then I'd look to drop a little bit more cash and get sli 980s. As others have said though, wait to see what this Fury offers.
 
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