A 4.1 GHz Dual Core at $130 - Can it be True?

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Actually I Doubt That Overvolting Will Hurt It All Because The Faster CPUs Of The Same Core That Come From The Factory Run A Higher Stock Voltage Anyway, Since Most Slower Budget CPU's Are Just Lower Clocked And Lower Volted Higher End Chips
 
Ok, here is an updated screen.

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BoostedVR4 thats awsome man. I was AMD all the way till this chip came out, the price is right, and it rocks! I have mine running at stock voltage @3.6GHZ. I had it up to 3.8GHZ with a voltage bump of 1.475. I know i could have went higher but, coming from a ATHLON 2400XP OC to 2.3GHZ (which still runs awsome), this thingleaves it in the dust @ 3.6 GHZ. 3.6 GHZ is fast enough for me right now, till the next power hungrey games emerge. I still love AMD but till they offer something of this nature, im plantin it right here. This processor is gonna last me a long time i think till the next upgrade, oh and for the hotheads that worry about heat, im using a Koolance watercooled case, at idle its 36C and at load using stress prime 2004 ORTHOS which stresses both cores to 100% it runs at 50C for hours on end. Thanks Tom's for the great article.
 
I seem to have a problem. If you look at my screen shot up there, you'll notice my RAM is only in single channel mode... I can't figure out why...
 
Hi,

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I read most of the review and there are some things that are not clear (to me 😛:

+ if this processor is not overclocked (somehting that I might do in the future, but its intimidating and probably unnecessary right now) is it still a good buy?
Is it better than an sempron 3000 or an athlon 3000 (the two that I can easily buy in my country). I am not a gamer, but I use photoshop, quarkxpress and illustrator mostly, also using general programs.

Thanks for any help on this ;-)
carlos
 
this is my first dual core, and im really impressed at just stock, how well it does multiple programs at once. Its not lightning fast at stock, but it takes alot of programs to bog it down. @ 3.6 which is where im running mine from, it seems unstoppable and very very fast.
 
I decided to upgrade my current desktop (A64 3200+, 1 GB RAM, Radeon 9800) to a Pentium D 805 overclocked system until Conroe and AM2 have been out a while. My old PC was focused on being quick but silent and I wanted the same for this PC.

Here is what I ordered for it today:

-Intel Pentium D 805
-Scythe SCNJ-1000P CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink (Best Rated on Silent PC Review, Better than Zalman)
-Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 Motherboard (Supports Core 2 Duo/Extreme, Less Expensive than ASUS)
-Gigabyte Geforce 7600GT Silent Pipe II Video Card (Good Reivew from Toms, Silent)
-pqi TURBO 2GB (2 x 1GB) Dual Channel (Used in Toms OC reivew of 805)

I already have two 36GB Raptors that I will run in a RAID 0 for the OS and a nice Dragon case rigged with fans on speed controllers. I figure I should have some nice performance increases. 🙂

I will let everyone know how things turn out.
 
Let us know how that setup (specially that cooler) works out.

I'm going to be building a copy of my setup for a friend, only cheaper. So I'm going to use air instead of water, 7600GT instead of 7900GTX, etc. I would like to see it get to at least 3.6. 3.8 would be nice tho...
 
Hi,

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I read most of the review and there are some things that are not clear (to me 😛:

+ if this processor is not overclocked (somehting that I might do in the future, but its intimidating and probably unnecessary right now) is it still a good buy?
Is it better than an sempron 3000 or an athlon 3000 (the two that I can easily buy in my country). I am not a gamer, but I use photoshop, quarkxpress and illustrator mostly, also using general programs.

Thanks for any help on this ;-)
carlos
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Yes it would be better than both of those, espiecially since you are using it for photoshop. Our work PC is a sempron 3000 and its FAR slower than my 805 at stock. I'm also pretty sure for those tasks it would be faster than the Athlon 3000+, with the dual core ability helping a lot.
 
Well I cant get my P5LD2-VM with 805D to OC more than 3.2 Ghz, 160 FSB.

Is it primarily the RAM one needs to tweak to higher frequencies or what, mine is a DDR2 512 MB 533 Mhz and runs at 312.2 mhz, 1:2, CT 4-4-4-11-15.

Any suggestions on the various parameters required to be changed in the BIOS to get it to atleast 3.6 Ghz.

PCIe is at 118 mhz and rest all settings/voltages are at default/Auto.
 
I have a P5LD2 (945P chipset) and I am at 3.6GHz right now running ALMOST rock solid stable. One of my cores will halt in prime95 if I leave it on long enough and the ambient heat builds up. Never boots bad and runs all games fine (games never stress it like Prime95 does). Mind you, my room temperature is usually 80-84F so it does make a big impact on my temps. My current max load temp is 54C, thats at about test 7-8 on Prime95(dont forget, faster you are OCed the quicker you move through tests). I am wondering if its my voltage or ram timings holding me back (I think its my ram maybe) because I have ran at 3.6 and 4 notchs below my current voltage and was fine. So it also makes me wonder if you put too much voltage and can cause too much heat or instability that way? At 3.8Ghz I was having prime95 failures on the second core within 10-30 seconds and my voltage was at 1.450 as the highest (i think) and i was then getting failures at around 30 seconds on the second core. My max temp was hitting 61C as well (I am at about 1.3275, I think, right now). I am overclocking in a desert in the summer so yea. Also, BoostedVR4, have you tried letting your rig run longer on prime95, past test 7 and see your max temp load at 4.2ghz and what your room temperature is? I am only curious. Also, what do you have your PCI clock locked at? auto, cpu or 33.3? thanks.
 
Also, BoostedVR4, have you tried letting your rig run longer on prime95, past test 7 and see your max temp load at 4.2ghz and what your room temperature is? I am only curious. Also, what do you have your PCI clock locked at? auto, cpu or 33.3? thanks.
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Yeah, I've let prime95 go thru all the tests, took 16 minutes. (it was partly into the next set when I cought it) CPU temp was 46c, MB was 42c. Room was around 27c. PCI is set to auto. All voltages are set on auto, except CPU (1.5) and RAM (1.95). I also had the problem of prime95 halting on 1 core after a few seconds-minute. Took me awhile, but I finally got it stable.
 
Well I don't know what is causing mine to fail then. Would boosting my ram from 1.9 (thats the normal value right?) to 1.95 make it so a core wouldnt fail? Also, can someone explain how locking the PCI clock to either CPU or 33.3mhz would help? Thanks
 
I've been running into a really weird issue with my memory. It seems from looking at what other people are getting from CPU-Z my memory is running at half the speed it should be. I'm running it in "Dual Channel" mode, so I don't know if that would be a factor. When I'm setting it up in the BIOS the highest target speed I can select and get the system to boot at is 813. Anything higher than that seems to just cause the computer not too boot. I would appreciate any input on what I can do to double my memory speed to what it should be(?). Here is a picture of all the pertinent CPU-Z tabs, RightMark, ASUS AI Booster, and ASUS PC Probe:

CPU-ZandRightMarkAsus.jpg


Here is some of my BIOS information (please forgive my n00b photo skillz):

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If there is any more information that might help someone figure out what's going on, or if anyone is curious please ask me, I'll try to respond as quickly as possible. Thank you for your time and support.

this is the rest of my system specs:
Intel Pentium D 805 (HH80551PE0672MN) @ 3.795GHz
OCZ OCZ28002048ELDCGE-K 2GB Kit DDR2-800 PC2-6400 (running in Dual Channel) @ 813MHz?
ASUS P5N32-SLI Deluxe
1 x eVGA e-GeForce 7900 GT CO SUPERCLOCKED, 1 x eVGA e-GeForce 7900 GT KO SUPERCLOCKED
2 x Western Digital WD800JD 80G SATA 7200RPM 8MB Hard Drives (In RAID 0)
Zalman CNPS9500LED-CU
Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Music
Antec NeoHE 550 High Efficiency 550W Power Supply Unit
Antec P180 Advanced Super Mid-Tower Case
Windows XP Professional SP2
ASUS E616AG/A5 16X DVD-ROM
NEC 1.44MB Floppy Drive (Black)
 
I noticed CPUZ is version 1.34. I think I have 1.35 and its the latest, try updating and then trying, that is odd but hopefully the new version fixes that.

EDIT-

I now have 3.6Ghz rock solid. Simply added .05 volts to the ram solved it. Here I go for 3.8.
 
Wow, you were totally right, having the new newer version totally corrected those values.

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Thanks for your quick response, nice to know my RAM isn't all messed up.
 
I also found that if you are not able to overclock much, tightening the RAM helps increase the performance, ofcourse you need to check for stability.
 
ok, this has been bugging me for like a week and a half, so I'm just going to air it. My ultimate objective is to arrive at some sort of incontrovertible understanding/concensus about the facts as they relate to this topic.

That having been said, I have a couple questions for darklife41. I am asking from the point of view of a fellow system builder who would like to spec out several iterations of a system, for the purpose of retail production, based on the 805 D.

FWIW, yes, I have read the entire article around which this forum thread revolves, and yes, I have the read the entire thread (parts of it numerous times). So if I'm missing something, it's not for lack of scrutinizing the details.

The thing that is really getting under my skin is the whole memory clock/speed issue. DARKLIFE41: after reading all your posts numerous times and after examining all your links to your screenshots and your qualitative analysis of the results of your benches, several things remain unclear.

First of all, the image size of your (mainly CPU-Z) screenshots is a little too small or lo-res to read properly, so forgive me if I missed a detail that I should have gleaned from those screenshots.

But, to the point: what do you mean by "ASUS chooses a X:Y divider", or more specifically, could you describe how you set your, say, CPU, fsb, memory clocks speeds? Was it in the BIOS? Was it with an automatic setting? Was it completely manually? was it software/non BIOS-based?

What were your BIOS settings when the Asus board forced your DDR2-800 memory to run asynchronously (in this case, half speed) with your (quad-pumped) 200mhz CPU fsb? Was it that you selected 200mhz fsb and DDR2 800 in the bios, and then it was reporting that your memory was effectively only running at ddr(2) 400 speeds?

Looking at THG's BIOS screenshots of their testbed P5WD2-E premium shows that, for instance, when running a 200mhz (x4) FSB, DDR2 800 is selectable. This would imply a 1:1 "divider". It surprises me that a board with native ddr2-800 support won't allow you to utilize a 4x memory multiplier and a 1:1 divider.


It seems the conclusions you reached about the disappointing performance of the DDR2-800 and the DDR2-667 (compared to the DDR2-533) were largely predicated upon the implementation of the memory divider by the Asus board.

So the questions I am trying to answer are:

1) what are your BIOS settings, why does this result in a divider, and is there a way to configure your board to run the memory at its full potential (1:1 in the case of 200mhz fsb and real PC2-6400/ddr2-800 memory),

2) if not with the Asus board, then with another 955x or 975x board?

3) if not with any board, then wtf, ddr2-800 and ddr2-667 can not be made to run at full speed?

4) if there IS a board that doesn't impose a divider and allows the 805 to run at 20 x 400mhz fsb with a memory clock of DDR2-800, (4x memory mutiplier), and no memory divider (all of this assumes a system that of course can hit 4.0ghz anyway), then what would darklife41's memory benches look like on THAT system? Wouldn't that be the real comparison of memory performance/bandwidth between the ddr2-533, ddr2-667 and ddr2-800?

Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

-Rambuswolf aka khennsu aka bok bok
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Sorry, I've been out of the country for a month and just saw this.

Also sorry if the pics aren't viewable on your system. They look very good on mine @ 1024x768. I can make them bigger if others are having problems viewing them, but the pages will load slower (for unfortunate souls on dialup) so there was some give/take on the best size.

1-4) My memory and CPU were both set via BIOS. At 200FSB all memory is running at 1:1 through the Asus (built in) divider @ 800MHz, 667MHz, and 533MHz, for each model. I believe CPU-Z reads the divider incorrectly on these boards, since both the 955 and 975 BIOS show everything at 1:1 ratio at 200FSB, which should be correct on any board at 200 FSB.

So there is no disappointing performance by the Crucial RAM. Rather, there is fantastic performance by the Corsair Value Select which is running with a memory divider other than 1:1 only when it is at an FSB setting other than 200. This would not be the case with an AMD board, but is the case with Intel's setup.

Just compare other 533MHz scores to these with this setup to see the difference. The 667 and 800 scores are in line with 667 and 800 scores on any other motherboard that I've seen, while the 533 is performing better than any other 533 that I've seen because of the high bus rate.

Hope this helps. 🙂
 
Hey everyone,

I'm heading down the 805 overclock route and I've decided to setup a blog to track my day-to-day work. I'd appreciate the read and any comments and/or suggestions. Here's the link:

http://intel805.blogspot.com/

Thanks!
 
Doh! I thought I would enter the overclocking world with the 805D. Bought a Dell system with it. Wrong! MOBO does not appear to support overclocking. Should I just return it?
 
Doh! I thought I would enter the overclocking world with the 805D. Bought a Dell system with it. Wrong! MOBO does not appear to support overclocking. Should I just return it?
 
Hello anyone,

I just built a computer with this processor everyone is yammering about. It's good, but for some reason it's running kind of hot. The processor is not even overclocked right now, and I've got the Zalman at full blast, but still I'm getting between 50-64c at pretty much idle. It's kinda warm out, maybe 86F, but shouldn't it still be a lot cooler? What could be happening?!
 
Hello anyone,

I just built a computer with this processor everyone is yammering about. It's good, but for some reason it's running kind of hot. The processor is not even overclocked right now, and I've got the Zalman at full blast, but still I'm getting between 50-64c at pretty much idle. It's kinda warm out, maybe 86F, but shouldn't it still be a lot cooler? What could be happening?!
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I think the first thing to do is recheck the installation of the zalman. I think it is not fitted correctly or you have really really poor airflow in your case.
 
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