I’m looking at getting a new pc towards the end of the year but I could get one now and make it Conroe ready, drop one of these bad boys in and do my first over clocking ever and when prices drop for Conroe swap it out. Looking at prices here in oz the 805 is $1446 cheaper than the FX-60 so that money can the be spent towards a great gfx card and in the end I will still be saving a heap of money (it will basically equate to not paying for the gfx card and having change).
What peolpe are forgetting is that at 3.6Ghz, the thing was stable enough that it required nothing done to it at all - same stock setup, memory, power supply...
Find me a 3.6Ghz processor for $130.
3.8 was good as well, but the fact is that by keeping it at 3.6 or 3.8, ANY motherboard and almost any 805 chip can be used. Even the cheapest boards out there that can handle the bigger P4s can handle this thing at 3.6.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/page15.html
If it can handle a Pentium D 950(3.4Ghz), it will work perfectly with this. 3.6 isn't listed, but it's at 204 and 359W, or a bit less than a stock 950. No need to change your board, even, for most of us.
1Ghz extra speed by just flipping a few settings. 1.2Ghz more by swapping in a $30-$40 aftermarket cooler or by making case mods like I suggested to double airflow.
OR, you could hard-wire the CPU fan into the power supply. I do this - it's at 100% speed 100% of the time and works like a charm. I find the extra bit of noise isn't a problem as it's constant. The hoover-esque whine all of a sudden is more annoying, IMO. They mentioned that the stock cooler worked fine, but it wasn't able to react fast enough. So... leave it on all the time.
Find me a 3.6Ghz processor for $130.
3.8 was good as well, but the fact is that by keeping it at 3.6 or 3.8, ANY motherboard and almost any 805 chip can be used. Even the cheapest boards out there that can handle the bigger P4s can handle this thing at 3.6.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/page15.html
If it can handle a Pentium D 950(3.4Ghz), it will work perfectly with this. 3.6 isn't listed, but it's at 204 and 359W, or a bit less than a stock 950. No need to change your board, even, for most of us.
1Ghz extra speed by just flipping a few settings. 1.2Ghz more by swapping in a $30-$40 aftermarket cooler or by making case mods like I suggested to double airflow.
OR, you could hard-wire the CPU fan into the power supply. I do this - it's at 100% speed 100% of the time and works like a charm. I find the extra bit of noise isn't a problem as it's constant. The hoover-esque whine all of a sudden is more annoying, IMO. They mentioned that the stock cooler worked fine, but it wasn't able to react fast enough. So... leave it on all the time.
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I've actually seen a thing where some people cooked an egg on a processor (it was in a little aluminum dish). Too late at night for me to bother trying to find it, but it really is possible to use your CPU as a cooking appliance of sorts. I'd think space heater would be a more apt secondary function, though.
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This just appeard on gigabytes site. Someones taking advantage 🙂
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/TechGuide_List.aspx?NewTechID=96
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/TechGuide_List.aspx?NewTechID=96
damn... just started a new opty 165 build and this just had to come up... bwahaha! oh wells. maybe i'll just sell it off to someone. the idea of bein conroe ready sounds very nice to me. 'specially when i woulda spent nearly $200 less for the processor. that woulda gone to a better video card or ram!... grrr... oh wells.
anyhoot, i'm building a comp for a good buddy who's just too lazy. help me out.
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=1065707#1065707
anyhoot, i'm building a comp for a good buddy who's just too lazy. help me out.
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=1065707#1065707
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OK, US$130 = AU$170 ish
GBP80 = AU$200 ish
one of my wholesale dealers (who shall remain nameless), says:
Dealer Price: $279.00 ex
$306.90 inc
Suggested RRP: $373.72 ex
$411.10 inc ()
for comparison (from the same place):
Intel Pentium D 920 (2.8GHz) $299.00 ex tax, dealer price
Intel CeleronD 336 (2.8) EM64T $92.00 ditto
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Skt939 Ven $169.00 ditto
even not counting taxes, that's a lot more for us aussies. methinks me might hafta get one from newegg or elsewhere if it's gonna be that expensive...
GBP80 = AU$200 ish
one of my wholesale dealers (who shall remain nameless), says:
Dealer Price: $279.00 ex
$306.90 inc
Suggested RRP: $373.72 ex
$411.10 inc ()
for comparison (from the same place):
Intel Pentium D 920 (2.8GHz) $299.00 ex tax, dealer price
Intel CeleronD 336 (2.8) EM64T $92.00 ditto
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Skt939 Ven $169.00 ditto
even not counting taxes, that's a lot more for us aussies. methinks me might hafta get one from newegg or elsewhere if it's gonna be that expensive...
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In Oz
Check out umart online. Internet price au$199. I'm sure there are a lot more places doing a similar deal.
Check out umart online. Internet price au$199. I'm sure there are a lot more places doing a similar deal.
For oz use http://www.staticice.com.au/index.html and http://www.shopbot.com.au/ to going about finding the cheapest prices. I personaly use umart to buy all mystuff from.
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thanks guys.
but still, out of about 7 wholesale dealers i have, only 2 stock the 805. one i mentioned on the last page, another says ex tax $177 ($195 inc), rrp $240.
much better.
but anyway, my theory is that intel have built up so much hype over how good conroe is going to be (whether you believe the hype or not), that they've dug themselves into a hole. the 900 series is the top-line now, but they've got so much unsold 800 series that they have to do something with it. i'd hazard a guess that even the 900 series isn't selling as well as it should because everyone's waiting for conroe. (could this lead to a "905" when conroe comes out? hope so, that'd be fun, 65nm and all)
so, the solution? rebadge their 800 stocks as a budget product, get even the low-end celery buyers interested in dual core (which will hopefully lead to more interest in dual core, get more people developing dual thread software etc*). in the process they'll empty their warehouses, i think i've read 10 different people saying they want one in only 4 pages of posts, and a bit of hype on how good an overclocker it is can't help either. (heck, i've waited a year for AM2, but even i'm tempted to get an 805, if only for a few months of excessive heat...
*conspiracy theory time: anyone reckon part of microsofts $2bn went to intel for covering their losses on selling good 8x0 parts as 805s? it certainly makes sense, if M$ want people on dual core, so they won't notice how slow vista is with one core. or is that just me?
but still, out of about 7 wholesale dealers i have, only 2 stock the 805. one i mentioned on the last page, another says ex tax $177 ($195 inc), rrp $240.
much better.
but anyway, my theory is that intel have built up so much hype over how good conroe is going to be (whether you believe the hype or not), that they've dug themselves into a hole. the 900 series is the top-line now, but they've got so much unsold 800 series that they have to do something with it. i'd hazard a guess that even the 900 series isn't selling as well as it should because everyone's waiting for conroe. (could this lead to a "905" when conroe comes out? hope so, that'd be fun, 65nm and all)
so, the solution? rebadge their 800 stocks as a budget product, get even the low-end celery buyers interested in dual core (which will hopefully lead to more interest in dual core, get more people developing dual thread software etc*). in the process they'll empty their warehouses, i think i've read 10 different people saying they want one in only 4 pages of posts, and a bit of hype on how good an overclocker it is can't help either. (heck, i've waited a year for AM2, but even i'm tempted to get an 805, if only for a few months of excessive heat...
*conspiracy theory time: anyone reckon part of microsofts $2bn went to intel for covering their losses on selling good 8x0 parts as 805s? it certainly makes sense, if M$ want people on dual core, so they won't notice how slow vista is with one core. or is that just me?
can anyone please tell me if they know for sure that this motherboard will support conroe?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131591&ATT=13-131-591&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r
I have heard not all i975x based motherboards will support conroe. Not something to do with the chipset, but to do with the voltages not being able to supply a LOW enough current for the new proc.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20060425175704.html
Thats just one of many articles stating as much. I cant find any details on what revision 975x that mobo is up there, however it is the one they used in this article and It does seem to be a great board that I would be willing to invest in if it can support conroe/quad core when they're released.
Thanks.
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Found this which claims not:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95449
not sure of the reliability of that post though. I found it via google. Can anyone confirm this list?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131591&ATT=13-131-591&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r
I have heard not all i975x based motherboards will support conroe. Not something to do with the chipset, but to do with the voltages not being able to supply a LOW enough current for the new proc.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20060425175704.html
Thats just one of many articles stating as much. I cant find any details on what revision 975x that mobo is up there, however it is the one they used in this article and It does seem to be a great board that I would be willing to invest in if it can support conroe/quad core when they're released.
Thanks.
***edit***
Found this which claims not:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95449
not sure of the reliability of that post though. I found it via google. Can anyone confirm this list?
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I've actually seen a thing where some people cooked an egg on a processor (it was in a little aluminum dish). Too late at night for me to bother trying to find it, but it really is possible to use your CPU as a cooking appliance of sorts. I'd think space heater would be a more apt secondary function, though.
You got me there. I was only considering frying or boiling. I didn't think about egg cooking. Salmonella bacteria can't survive long above 60 deg. C, and some chips have reached that temp. It would be an extremely runny egg though, so it also depends on your definition of "cooking". About the space heater, I'm not sure I'd rely on it for that. Think about turning on a couple of 100 W light bulbs, and how much you can heat a room with it? I still think a lot of the statements going around about power are overreactions, or worse, they are made with an agenda, especially if it concerns a chip made by a company one dislikes!
You are right its not normal to get a 3800+ to 2.8 most do 2.6. And I'm not denying the fact that getting a $130 to give u performance of a $1000 chip is great value. I was referring more to people buying this for a primary rig or there first brand new computer. If your building a second rig or a server or just something to rip movies. it would be something to look at for sure.
But for me as my main rig I wouldn't look twice I would just wait for conroe if I was going intel.
But for me as my main rig I wouldn't look twice I would just wait for conroe if I was going intel.
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how much did intel pay THG for this?
for a while there I had given THG a LITTLE credibility back.. it's gone again.
AMD refsued to even state that AMD had the upper hand till the FX60 came out.
and now only a short few months later they're claming that intel has the upper hand because they have a budget chip that can be overclocked very high? what kind of nonsense is this. you're going to have a LOT of people running out and moving over the intel (not smart people) because THG shows it outperforming every other chip
they're going to overclock or try and theyre going to blow things up.
so meanwhile intell still wins by emptying stock on old CPUs. and then can always shrug and say, that was the P4s.. they werent that good... we got Conroe now. so they don't loose anywhere.
what i hate more is that they're saying how this budget CPU is performing on par or better than the expensive ones. now really look into this. your "budget" cpu is now overcocked to extremem levels using watercooling and a workstation / server motherboard to be able to handle the overclock. THG has claimed only the cost of the cooler and the CPU in their comparison. but a workstation board costs a GREAT deal more than a standard computer board. where the you can get a decent ASUS board for 70 bucks and run a 4800 at stock speed, you have to spend almost 200ish for you to be able to overcock this 805 to the 4800 level.
and the watercooling. they needed watercooling to acheive the 4ghz. thats a 200 or so investment there. so now you've spent an estimated. 400 more on motherboard and cooling and the CPU. so the total for this rig is closer to 600ish. only 400 less now than the top of the line FX60 which this thing BARELY compared too at max clock.
ok... but guess what.. the FX 60, or even P4- EE at 1000 are STOCK. so you're comparing an OVERClocked cheap chip and saying it's marginally better performing overclcok than a stock high end CPU
what happens when you overlcock the P4-EE and the FX 60.. which have overhead for overclcoking. sure it's not a 50% OC like the 805, but even at 30% you're now still well over the 805 at it's absolute max with watercooling and everything.
it's not accurately comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. instead THG are trying to wow you to believe that intel has this remarkable product that will kwow you and knock your socks off
my recommendation as a system builder... STAY AWAY. the risks do not outweigh the benefit of this cheaper route
for a while there I had given THG a LITTLE credibility back.. it's gone again.
AMD refsued to even state that AMD had the upper hand till the FX60 came out.
and now only a short few months later they're claming that intel has the upper hand because they have a budget chip that can be overclocked very high? what kind of nonsense is this. you're going to have a LOT of people running out and moving over the intel (not smart people) because THG shows it outperforming every other chip
they're going to overclock or try and theyre going to blow things up.
so meanwhile intell still wins by emptying stock on old CPUs. and then can always shrug and say, that was the P4s.. they werent that good... we got Conroe now. so they don't loose anywhere.
what i hate more is that they're saying how this budget CPU is performing on par or better than the expensive ones. now really look into this. your "budget" cpu is now overcocked to extremem levels using watercooling and a workstation / server motherboard to be able to handle the overclock. THG has claimed only the cost of the cooler and the CPU in their comparison. but a workstation board costs a GREAT deal more than a standard computer board. where the you can get a decent ASUS board for 70 bucks and run a 4800 at stock speed, you have to spend almost 200ish for you to be able to overcock this 805 to the 4800 level.
and the watercooling. they needed watercooling to acheive the 4ghz. thats a 200 or so investment there. so now you've spent an estimated. 400 more on motherboard and cooling and the CPU. so the total for this rig is closer to 600ish. only 400 less now than the top of the line FX60 which this thing BARELY compared too at max clock.
ok... but guess what.. the FX 60, or even P4- EE at 1000 are STOCK. so you're comparing an OVERClocked cheap chip and saying it's marginally better performing overclcok than a stock high end CPU
what happens when you overlcock the P4-EE and the FX 60.. which have overhead for overclcoking. sure it's not a 50% OC like the 805, but even at 30% you're now still well over the 805 at it's absolute max with watercooling and everything.
it's not accurately comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. instead THG are trying to wow you to believe that intel has this remarkable product that will kwow you and knock your socks off
my recommendation as a system builder... STAY AWAY. the risks do not outweigh the benefit of this cheaper route
eh, the way I see it.. I dont want to get a conroe at launch. Usually the first batch isnt the one you want to jump on anyway.
I got the chip because its price/performance. I'll get a mobo i'm sure is compatable with conroe. Since I purchase computers max once every 3-4 years a workstation motherboard is worth the investment.
I'll throw this chip in for the time being and OC it decently.. not to 4.1.
Then once Vista hits, maybe even around this time next year, i'll grab up a conroe, well into its cycle with tons of reviews etc etc.
Thats my reasoning.. this is a great stand-in or stepping stone. for 130 bucks you cant really complain.
And yet...
It costs NOTHING extra to get it to 3.6Ghz. No case mods, no new motherboard, no new memory, no new power supply - and using the stock CPU cooler.
The article needed to focus on the fact that we can all safely get $500 performance out of a $130 chip with a couple of bios changes. That's a fantastic price-point that pummels the competition. Find me a 3.6Ghz equivalent AMD chip that is drop-in friendly. That meets all of the above "not required" critera I listed above.
The 805 will work with ANY motherboard and ANY memory at 3.6Ghz that is compatable with a 950 processor.
It's like one of my favorite cars, the RX-8. They constantly run it up against sportscars and then get into a "it's almost as good as" or whatnot battle, despite the fact that they've lost sight of the real reason the car is great. $25K gets you a car that will blow the doors off of most everything else in the 20-25K range.
Who cares about bleeding-edge speed? They both give you a huge amount of performance for next to nothing. Win-win for us working types.
It costs NOTHING extra to get it to 3.6Ghz. No case mods, no new motherboard, no new memory, no new power supply - and using the stock CPU cooler.
The article needed to focus on the fact that we can all safely get $500 performance out of a $130 chip with a couple of bios changes. That's a fantastic price-point that pummels the competition. Find me a 3.6Ghz equivalent AMD chip that is drop-in friendly. That meets all of the above "not required" critera I listed above.
The 805 will work with ANY motherboard and ANY memory at 3.6Ghz that is compatable with a 950 processor.
It's like one of my favorite cars, the RX-8. They constantly run it up against sportscars and then get into a "it's almost as good as" or whatnot battle, despite the fact that they've lost sight of the real reason the car is great. $25K gets you a car that will blow the doors off of most everything else in the 20-25K range.
Who cares about bleeding-edge speed? They both give you a huge amount of performance for next to nothing. Win-win for us working types.
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I got to admit that the article sounds a little biased. Why didn't THG compare this 130$ overclocked Intel with the overclocked FX-60?? I mean, it's kind of unfair to say that it's a better CPU after hardcore overclocking it and putting it against a normal FX-60. Go overclock the FX-60 and then let's see how things fare. What I said also applies to the Extreme 965.
What's sure is that this Intel CPU is one great piece of work and it has all my respect. Currently, I beleive it's the best CPU for its value on this planet, even with all those risks, energy consumption levels and thermal problems.
I remain to my opionion that the FX-60 is the best end-user CPU on the planet :;- ) and the Extreme 965 is close too.
What's sure is that this Intel CPU is one great piece of work and it has all my respect. Currently, I beleive it's the best CPU for its value on this planet, even with all those risks, energy consumption levels and thermal problems.
I remain to my opionion that the FX-60 is the best end-user CPU on the planet :;- ) and the Extreme 965 is close too.
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