A few Mind's Desire questions

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1) Mind's Desire and Spelljack? How does the interaction work? One of
the spells revealed from the Mind's Desire is a Spelljack. Now can I
use it to counter one of the Mind's Desire copies and get to Mind's
Desire all over again with the storm ability? Or can I only Spelljack
the LAST Mind's Desire because that is the original spell on the
stack? Do I still get the Storm copies if I do that? And I obviously
cannot Spelljack anything if the last card revealed was a Spelljack
and there is no more Mind's Desire copies, correct?

2) Do cards played off a Mind's Desire go to the graveyard after you
play them or they are just removed from the game the whole time?

3) Do I have to shuffle my library for every copy of Mind's Desire or
can I just do it once at the beginning?

4) Does Sapphire Medallion reduce Flashback costs, such as Deep
Analysis?

Ok thats it for me
thanks

 

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Chief sez:

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>1) Mind's Desire and Spelljack? How does the interaction work? One of
>the spells revealed from the Mind's Desire is a Spelljack. Now can I
>use it to counter one of the Mind's Desire copies and get to Mind's
>Desire all over again with the storm ability?
>>

Sure, you can counter a copy of the MD, but once it's in the RFG zone, it
disappears. (Yes, even in the RFG zone.) So you can't play Mind's Desire
again...

<<
>Or can I only Spelljack
>the LAST Mind's Desire because that is the original spell on the
>stack?
>>

Well, if you wanna play it again, the only one you can Spelljack effectively is
the original, yes.

<<
> Do I still get the Storm copies if I do that?
>>

Playing it from the RFG zone is as valid as playing it from your hand to Storm.

<<
> And I obviously
>cannot Spelljack anything if the last card revealed was a Spelljack
>and there is no more Mind's Desire copies, correct?
>>

Right.

<<
>2) Do cards played off a Mind's Desire go to the graveyard after you
>play them or they are just removed from the game the whole time?
>>

If you can play them, they go to the graveyard as normal. If not, then they
stay removed.

<<
>3) Do I have to shuffle my library for every copy of Mind's Desire or
>can I just do it once at the beginning?
>>

Don't know...that's a question I'd like to have answered myself, especially for
in a tournament setting...

<<
>4) Does Sapphire Medallion reduce Flashback costs, such as Deep
>Analysis?
>>

Yes. It reduces the entire cost by 1 colorless mana.


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On 15 Nov 2004 08:01:46 -0800, Chief <snu0037@aol.com> wrote:
>1) Mind's Desire and Spelljack? How does the interaction work? One of
>the spells revealed from the Mind's Desire is a Spelljack. Now can I
>use it to counter one of the Mind's Desire copies and get to Mind's
>Desire all over again with the storm ability?

If you counter a copy with Spelljack, it gets removed from the game, then
vanishes as a state-based effect before you ever get priority to try to play
it. Which of course ends the 'as long as it remains removed from the game'
duration.

So no, if you Spelljack one of the copies all that happens is it's countered,
appears briefly in the RFG zone, then vanishes.

>Or can I only Spelljack
>the LAST Mind's Desire because that is the original spell on the
>stack? Do I still get the Storm copies if I do that?

You can Spelljack the original Mind's Desire if you like. It, being a card,
survives being put into the RFG zone. The triggered ability that will create
the Storm copies is already on the stack before you can ever Spelljack the
original; it will resolve and put the copies on the stack whether or not the
original is still there when it resolves. (Meaning you would also need a
Stifle before it resolved, _or_ some way to Radiate an Instant after it
resolved, _or_ a heck of a lot of counterspells in hand, _or_ a Sleighted
Lifeforce/Deathgrip and a lot of mana, etc., to get all the copies to not
resolve also.)

>And I obviously
>cannot Spelljack anything if the last card revealed was a Spelljack
>and there is no more Mind's Desire copies, correct?

If you reveal the Spelljack as the last card revealed by any of the Mind's
Desires, then yes, the stack is generally empty afterwards. You can't counter
a spell that has already resolved, or one that is partway through resolving.
(And you don't get priority again until the spell is done resolving, anyway.)

>2) Do cards played off a Mind's Desire go to the graveyard after you
>play them or they are just removed from the game the whole time?

Playing them involves putting them on the stack, just like ordinary spells,
which takes them _out_ of the RFG zone. Cards can't be in two zones at once
(unless you get Unhinged cards involved). Once they are on the stack they
are an ordinary spell, except that you're not going to pay their mana cost;
this means they go to the graveyard (for Instants or Sorceries) or into play
(for the other three kinds of spells) once done resolving, just like an
ordinary spell.

>3) Do I have to shuffle my library for every copy of Mind's Desire or
>can I just do it once at the beginning?

Every copy. It doesn't say "unless another copy of this spell has already
caused you to shuffle your library since the last time the stack was empty".

>4) Does Sapphire Medallion reduce Flashback costs, such as Deep
>Analysis?

It reduces _total_ cost. Total cost = mana cost (possibly replaced by
"alternate cost"), plus additional costs, minus reductions. A Flashback cost
is an alternate cost; you pay 1U and 3 life for a Flashbacked Deep Analysis,
rather than the mana cost. To that you add any additional costs (such as from
Sapphire Leech), then subtract any reductions (such as from Sapphire Medallion.

So a Flashbacked DA with one SM under your control costs you U and 3 life.

Dave
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