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Hey guys, i think i am gonna get an Intel 2.4C processor, and for the mobo i was going to get one from abit. Now i was looking at the Abit IC7 and the IC7-G, and one of the big differences between those two was Gigabit LAN, and i dont really know what that is, could anybody tell me what it is? This comp wil be hooked up to a simple Linksys wireless network, will i need Gigabit LAN?
 
I'd suggest going with the retail Asus p4p800 deluxe. Damn good motherboard for 145.99 plus (as of now) free shipping from newegg.com.

--Xenius
-non computer guru
 
NOOOOO!

Get Abit IS7. Apparantly it outperforms the IC7. I'd jump on that before Intel really puts the kibosh on motherboard manufacturer's ability to re-enable PAT on 865PE.

Rgards,

Dave

Intel giveth and Microsoft taketh away.
 
Get it now.

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Intel giveth and Microsoft taketh away.
 
(stupid CGI)
Try THIS URL:
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Regards,

Dave

Intel giveth and Microsoft taketh away.
 
Thanks for the link, now that ive decided on a motherboard, what ram should i get?? i was originally thinking about getting 1gig of Corsair 3200 XMS series, but ive heard that the TwinX 3700 is better for this chipset?? is there a big difference in price? what ram would you guys recomend.
 
Now, you will get some voices of dissent, but I exclusively use and recommend Micron RAM. It's cheaper and works just as well (most of the time, FASTER!) than any other RAM at default timings, bus speed, and voltages. Corsair and TwinMOS is only of interest if you plan to <b><i>agressively </i></b> overclock your RAM.

Regards,

Dave

Intel giveth and Microsoft taketh away.
 
Corsair and TwinMOS is only of interest if you plan to <i><b>agressively</b></i> overclock your RAM.
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That's not really true. Corsair XMS, Kingston HyperX, etc., etc. are also very useful if you want very aggressive timings <i>without</i> overclocking your RAM. That way you still have your lifetime waranty on your RAM. :)

"<i>Yeah, if you treat them like equals, it'll only encourage them to think they <b>ARE</b> your equals.</i>" - Thief from <A HREF="http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030603" target="_new">8-Bit Theater</A>
 
the only thing I'd be wary of about the abit mobo is that I noticed it has a northbridge fan on it and I heard this can be kind of loud and annoying - not sure if that is true or not. Anyone have any experience with it yet?

"Don't question it!!!" - Err
 
That's not really true. Corsair XMS, Kingston HyperX, etc., etc. are also very useful if you want very aggressive timings without overclocking your RAM. That way you still have your lifetime waranty on your RAM. :)
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I must respectfully disagree. This is an issue I long struggled with. A little more than a year ago, I extensively researched DRAM performance reviews. My conclusions at the time, and still are today, the Micron RAM is the best RAM, especially when asjusted for price.

In the article entitled "865PE & 875P Memory Guide", Evan Lieb said the following:

"However when it comes right down to it you can't beat Crucial in value. Since the difference between all five memory modules was very slim to begin with (the largest variance was 3% in one instance), Crucial's price advantage over Corsair is significant. In fact, buying two PC3200 Crucial modules is about 30% cheaper than buying two PC3200 Corsair LL modules (be it LL/TwinX or vanilla CAS2.0 modules).

Looking at our performance and compatibility test results in combination with Crucial's excellent prices its quite clear that Crucial PC3200 memory modules are the best bang-for-the-buck memory modules available for your 865PE or 875P motherboard. "


I don't know what the issues were getting Micron to run at faster timings in that particualr article, but I'd be willing to bet that. at the same timings, you will see Micron match Corsiar.

I cannot vouch for Micron's warranty policies. I've never had a Micron module fail, in any instance (and, believe you me, I own or have installed countless Micron memory modules).

My only beef with Micron is thier quasi-artifical inflating of DRAM prices starting November 2001.

Regards,

Dave

Intel giveth and Microsoft taketh away.
 
Trust me, its certainly no lounder than any of the other fans (case, processor, psu, video card). If it is louder, it's defective and Abit will send you another.

Regards,

Dave

Intel giveth and Microsoft taketh away.
 
I still havnt really gotten an answer to my question :), which speed RAM should i be getting for the abit mobo, 3200, 3500, or 3700, ive heard ppl saying that the 3700 is best, and im not too sure about the price differences and whether they are worth it or not, im a computer hardware noob
 
I must respectfully disagree. This is an issue I long struggled with. A little more than a year ago, I extensively researched DRAM performance reviews. My conclusions at the time, and still are today, the Micron RAM is the best RAM, especially when asjusted for price.

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I don't know what the issues were getting Micron to run at faster timings in that particualr article, but I'd be willing to bet that. at the same timings, you will see Micron match Corsiar.

I cannot vouch for Micron's warranty policies. I've never had a Micron module fail, in any instance (and, believe you me, I own or have installed countless Micron memory modules).
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I don't disagree. Be that as it may, it is in no way related to my point.

In order to get Micron memory to 2-2-2-5 timings you are overclocking the memory and thus are voiding your waranty, period. If Micron wants to replace RAM with a voided waranty anyway then that is their choice. They however are under no legal obligation to do so.

For people who care about waranties (the legal obligation of a company to replace a defective product) and want incredibly low timings, you <i>have</i> to go with RAM that has natively low timings, such as Corsair XMS. I never said that Micron RAM was bad. I merely said that Corsair XMS, Kingston HyperX, etc. are not <i>just</i> for overclocking. They're also for people who want low latency timings without voiding their waranties.

"<i>Yeah, if you treat them like equals, it'll only encourage them to think they <b>ARE</b> your equals.</i>" - Thief from <A HREF="http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030603" target="_new">8-Bit Theater</A>
 
which speed RAM should i be getting for the abit mobo, 3200, 3500, or 3700
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That's actually a pretty tough question for us to answer for you unless you can tell us what you need out of your RAM.

How concerned are you with the cost of the RAM?
Are ultra-low latency timings of great importance?
Are high latency timings (such as CAS3) acceptable?
How much RAM are you wanting?
Do you want any slots remaining for adding more RAM in the future?

"<i>Yeah, if you treat them like equals, it'll only encourage them to think they <b>ARE</b> your equals.</i>" - Thief from <A HREF="http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030603" target="_new">8-Bit Theater</A>
 
Ah, but I maintain that Corsair LL, and the like, are for overclocking. Here's my reasoning: JDEC standards specify, in effect, a PC 3200 module that runs with a CAS latency of 2 is already overclocked; in this case its a paper specification and not a desing spesification (for the record, I define "overclocking" as operating an IC beyond specification-- be it voltage, clock, or latency timings). However, there is nothing that forces anyone to adhere to JDEC standards. Micron is a company that has a self imposed adherence to JDEC, which is why one does not see them selling 2700 and 3200 chips with CAS 2. But, they certainly are capable of running at CAS 2.

Admittedly, if a person wants to ensure the fastest RAM performance, period, then he must use the Corsair LL, but he must pay a premium price.

Regards,

Dave

Intel giveth and Microsoft taketh away.
 
slvr_phoenix:

Im not TOOO concerned about the cost of the ram, as long as im not paying a LOT more for a VERY small performance gain. Right now im planning on getting 1GB of ram, and i dont know how many slots the Abit IS7 has for ram, but i was planning on getting 2 sticks of 512mb. For the processor im planning to overclock the 2.4C to 3.0C which most people say is very simple to do and does not require any extra cooling.

As for the timings, im a computer noob, but i thought the corsair TwinX and XMS stuff only had like 2.0 or 2.5 latency, ive pretty much decided im going to buy only from Corsair because almost everbody seems to agree they make the best ram.
 
I am also interested to know which RAM is the best with an 865PE mobo. I do know that you should be weary of the PC3200LL because of stability issues with the 865 and 875 chipsets.

That's why I would suggest PC3500 running at 400. And I don't know where the hell PC3700 came from. I was just on newegg.com yesterday looking for my PC3500 Corsair XMS when I stumbled across this PC3700.

Anybody have any suggestions as to which is preferable between PC3500 and PC3700? I know the difference is 433 and 466 but what does it all mean?

--

"<i>I'm seriously you guys.</i>" - Cartman
 
If you aren't overclocking 3200 is fine. If you are overclocking 3500 is fine. 3700 is overkill unless you have a good watercooling or phase system.

Corsair, Kingston, Geil, Mushkin! are all good. The timings you will probally be using with any of those rams is 2-3-2-6-T1. You want to avoid the rams with 2-2-2-5-T1 timing as it seems to cause some problems with the springdale and canterwood chipsets.

Shadus
 
Hey SHadus, im planning on overclocking the 2.4C to 3.0ghz because everybody says it is very simple to do and requires no extra cooling, so should i get the 3500 then?
 
Is it really that easy to get a 2.4C to run at 3Ghz? you'd need an FSB of 250Mhz, and I didn't think you could attain that without better-than-air cooling.

If you can push it that far, you'd need PC3700 RAM to stay in spec though. although decent PC3500 would probably OC to that (e.g. Corsair)


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:smile: :tongue: :smile: <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by ChipDeath on 06/26/03 05:38 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Yea, ive heard that the 2.4C's can get to 3.0ghz real easily, with the stock hsf, im pretty sure at least, could anybody back me up on this??
 
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