Question About Windows 11 AI ?

[USAFRet]

I mean...we got third party software that just breaks windows and gives more freedom for Windows. For some reason MS doesn't seem to care.

Not suggesting anyone should but I'm just saying that people have been fixing windows for decades now.

And the thing is that different people want different things 'changed'.
Your ideal Windows environment is not the same as mine.

And a LOT of those 3rd party tools do far more harm than good.

 

[WrongRookie]

And the thing is that different people want different things 'changed'.
Your ideal Windows environment is not the same as mine.

And a LOT of those 3rd party tools do far more harm than good.

True. But still you have choices on how you want to use Windows.

You can get used to Windows like how MS wants you to get used to it or you risk getting a third party tool that can make or break your windows environment.

I honestly can't think of a valid reason why you would want to move over to Linux unless if your use has more merit for Linux than it does for Windows.

 

[Colif]

Not all 3rd party tools are bad. Just some. Being vague about the type you mean, really doesn't help
Some are useful, some I use often to answer questions here.

But I assume you means ones like ccleaner which really aren't helpful in some cases. Can remove too much. Or many of the programs sold by Norton that stopped being useful about 10 years ago and only hold on from name recognition among people who don't know any better.
Or the ones that make windows less bloated... and can break windows if you remove too much.

But there are people out there who think they help.

 

[Endre]

I haven't jumped at the opportunity myself. I don't need them yet, I know they can be useful for some things and it would be stupid to just ignore them.

Unless Microsoft change it, and you don't need an NPU, the Ryzen 9000 series don't have NPU in them. So the way I see it, desktop won't get the feature for a few years to come. Otherwise it would make sense to include an NPU in their desktop CPU. You would think MS at least tells AMD & Intel its plans ahead of time, as they have to make hardware to match specs

People speculate they might get it working off GPU, but as I said, people will imagine all sorts of possibilities, until one actually happens we can't really sit here worrying about what might be.

There are people who actually want it. hence your examples of making it run on things its not supposed to work on. Just as some are running away, others are running towards. Its hard to not get trampled in the crowd

AI features can be run without an NPU, but an NPU will allow such features to run faster.

AI can be useful.
There are some music production plug-ins that are using AI processes and they are OK.

User surveillance based on AI & AI features that keep on popping up on the screen to suggest us stuff is what I don't want.

 

[35below0]

Hello!

As many of you know, Windows 11 v24H2 comes out later this year.
Copilot+ PCs will have AI "features" like: Recall, which will take snapshots of our PCs every 3-5 seconds!
This is just "Big Brother" in disguise, to me!

So, Microsoft, instead of working on Windows 11 to make it better, they push these unwanted AI "features" on us just so they can spy on us!
I believe that these "features" will end up being installed on ALL PCs, not just on Copilot+ PCs!

I, simply, hate what Microsoft does lately!

Please give me your thoughts on this stuff!

It's not Big Brother. It's the latest fad. Cloud computing is done so now they've all moved onto AI.

AI is everywhere and in everything.

They're trying to make money. They sell gimmicks. If they just sold a boring but functional OS, people would get bored.
There is no need to add this much hype from a practical point of view. AI assistance is predictive text+ and image generation, with a voice recognition system that can present search results in a more human-like manner, but also kinda creepy and freaking robot-like imo.

The excitement and the promises of a hot new thing is how they make real money. It drives investment and baloons share prices.
It may not make a practical difference, or not much. frame generation is a thing in gaming for example but not everything needs to be AI-ified. But convincing as many people as possible that everything does need to be AI-ified will lead to much higher revenues, so that's why they all do it.

Even this privacy controversy plays into their hands. Controversy gets attention. In the end, privacy laws will certainly be respected, and there will be fines for the companies that break the rules, but nothing different to how it is today.
Yet here we are, discussing AI. Because the point is to get people talking about it and SELL it.


This bubble will burst too soon enough, and they will move on to the next abomination/invention/fad

 

[Endre]

It's not Big Brother. It's the latest fad. Cloud computing is done so now they've all moved onto AI.

AI is everywhere and in everything.

They're trying to make money. They sell gimmicks. If they just sold a boring but functional OS, people would get bored.
There is no need to add this much hype from a practical point of view. AI assistance is predictive text+ and image generation, with a voice recognition system that can present search results in a more human-like manner, but also kinda creepy and freaking robot-like imo.

The excitement and the promises of a hot new thing is how they make real money. It drives investment and baloons share prices.
It may not make a practical difference, or not much. frame generation is a thing in gaming for example but not everything needs to be AI-ified. But convincing as many people as possible that everything does need to be AI-ified will lead to much higher revenues, so that's why they all do it.

Even this privacy controversy plays into their hands. Controversy gets attention. In the end, privacy laws will certainly be respected, and there will be fines for the companies that break the rules, but nothing different to how it is today.
Yet here we are, discussing AI. Because the point is to get people talking about it and SELL it.


This bubble will burst too soon enough, and they will move on to the next abomination/invention/fad

I hope that you are right.
However, I don't see AI going away anytime soon.
Think about the fact that Nvidia, as a company, was a lot smaller than Intel 10-15 years ago. Today, Nvidia is a 3 trillion dollar company, thanks to their AI development.
Nvidia even surpassed Apple!

That's the reason why, now, every company tries to integrate AI into their products: money!
(Some of those products are 100% gimmicks, like: "AI PSUs", "AI mice", "AI keyboards").

 

[Colif]

AI is the latest trendy buzzword like Metaverse was 2 years ago

Its on things that don't make sense.
No one wants to miss out on the money...

AI Mice... you know what makes them AI? They have a button that launches co pilot. Wow... must have a button I accidentally click.
I wonder if Keyboards are the same... adding a button doesn't make it AI.

Storage is a stretch if it includes USB drives and SD cards.

this is almost as bad as labelling everything Gaming.

 

[Endre]

AI is the latest trendy buzzword like Metaverse was 2 years ago

Its on things that don't make sense.
No one wants to miss out on the money...

AI Mice... you know what makes them AI? They have a button that launches co pilot. Wow... must have a button I accidentally click.
I wonder if Keyboards are the same... adding a button doesn't make it AI.

Yeah.
But there are differences between Metaverse & AI.
Metaverse generated debts (for Meta, Microsoft, and other companies)!
AI generated money (for Nvidia, AMD and other companies)!

 

[Colif]

Its still a fad. Its still a get rich scheme.

its not always obvious what its going to be until its started.
None want to miss out on the next big thing.

 

[35below0]

Yeah.
But there are differences between Metaverse & AI.
Metaverse generated debts (for Meta, Microsoft, and other companies)!
AI generated money (for Nvidia, AMD and other companies)!

I kinda agree. But look at Microsoft and IBM before them. Or Apple itself. Apple was on life support with the plug about to be pulled when they threw one last turd at the wall ... and it stuck! The original iMac is everything a sensible computer ought not to be but it was marketed successfully and it brought something lacking into the beige world of crappy Pentiums and crash prone 3d accelerators.

Compare that to the iMacs around 2010-2012. And of course, the iPhone was a game changer.
And a cynic might say all they did was add an i to a word.

Come to think of it, another company that was ubiquitos but is now nowhere to be seen is Nokia.

They GOTTA chase these fads and make up new ones. It's not just billions, it's billions!
Or cents, and being left behind.


But that's going off topic a bit. The AI that worries people is just a chosen marketing name.
We use automation all the time, and it's mostly a good thing.
This is about buzz words.

Cloud computing is not aimed at consumers, or not that much. It's mined out.
Metaverse was never a going to be a thing, but it attracted investment, so mission acomplished.
IoT, Internet of Things failed to catch on, and it's way too vague.
And so we have AI, which is an assistant tool that can be tacked onto any device and almost any use case.

Is it any wonder they're hyping it so much?

 

[Endre]

I kinda agree. But look at Microsoft and IBM before them. Or Apple itself. Apple was on life support with the plug about to be pulled when they threw one last turd at the wall ... and it stuck! The original iMac is everything a sensible computer ought not to be but it was marketed successfully and it brought something lacking into the beige world of crappy Pentiums and crash prone 3d accelerators.

Compare that to the iMacs around 2010-2012. And of course, the iPhone was a game changer.
And a cynic might say all they did was add an i to a word.

Come to think of it, another company that was ubiquitos but is now nowhere to be seen is Nokia.

They GOTTA chase these fads and make up new ones. It's not just billions, it's billions!
Or cents, and being left behind.


But that's going off topic a bit. The AI that worries people is just a chosen marketing name.
We use automation all the time, and it's mostly a good thing.
This is about buzz words.

Cloud computing is not aimed at consumers, or not that much. It's mined out.
Metaverse was never a going to be a thing, but it attracted investment, so mission acomplished.
IoT, Internet of Things failed to catch on, and it's way too vague.
And so we have AI, which is an assistant tool that can be tacked onto any device and almost any use case.

Is it any wonder they're hyping it so much?

Well, slowly but surely robots will replace humans.
AI will take away many jobs.
We'll become humans under constant surveillance.
We purchase software, but we no longer own it. Everything moves towards cloud computing & subscription based services.
We are losing ownership.

Can humans change the situation?
Sure! But they won't!
Nobody wants to unplug the internet & stop using smart phones!