About XP ratings...

[Mephistopheles]

That just makes brilliant sense to me...

How many people are actually looking at the 3.2Ghz and 3.0Ghz and are actually saying "GREAT! I'll go with a 2.8Ghz with 800Mhz!!!". This really happens.

It's just like when you see how Opteron 1.8Ghz is overpowering a Xeon and then decide to get an Opteron 1.4Ghz, ignoring the fact that it has a considerably lower clock and might just not be that good an alternative as you were actually thinking. (you're tempted to say "hey, it's still Opteron!)

It's a bug in our brains! Let's go back to that AI thread...

 

[Harris1111]

XP 3200+, you pay for 3200MHz of performance

Man, this site is about the worst intel fansite I have ever visited. It seems like the editors and reviewers cator to the needs of the people who post in this forum, because the fanoyism betwen the 2 is remarkable.


The PR system on the XP cpu's is based against a <b>THUNDERBIRD</b> at the same speed.

Get your facts straight people.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Harris1111 on 07/01/03 02:13 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[KrazeIke]

The PR system on the XP cpu's is based against a THUNDERBIRD at the same speed.

Get your facts straight people.

Crashman just said that.

We all know that that's what it's <i>supposed</i> to be based on, but that's beside the point.

 

[sabbath1]

This place couldn't possibly be an Intel fansite. There has been lots of AMD fanboys here. I used to be one of them myself 😛

Officially, the Athlon XP may be based against Thunderbird, but Inofficially, you can bet that it's based on the P4. Just look at some rating numbers, eg. now they have a 3200+ even though it's nowhere near the perf of the P4 3.2. The 3000+ vs. 2800+ is an even better example, the 3000+ runs at 2.16 GHz, and the 2800+ runs at 2.08 GHz, yet the cpu's are exactly the same with the only exception being the mhz. You tell me how 80 Mhz could ever make 200 extra pr points.


My system: Intel Pentium 4 2.8, 800FSB / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / MSI 875P Neo / Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / Western Digital Raptor / Hercules G.T XP /
Samsung DVD / Lite-On CDRW

 

[ChipDeath]

. You tell me how 80 Mhz could ever make 200 extra pr points.

AMD's Marketing department have a special calculator for working these things out.

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[sabbath1]

*lol* that's it 😉 Sad but true...

My system: Intel Pentium 4 2.8, 800FSB / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / MSI 875P Neo / Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / Western Digital Raptor / Hercules G.T XP /
Samsung DVD / Lite-On CDRW

 

[imgod2u]

AMD's Marketing department have a special calculator for working these things out.

I think they call it a dartboard.

"We are Microsoft, resistance is futile." - Bill Gates, 2015.

 

[dwellman]

People don't think of the double cheeseburger as as excessive if they can rationalize
it by the fact they didn't buy a triple cheeseburger.

See? That is what I was talking about when I was explaining using perceived value as a forcing factor to achieve market segmentation. This type of market segmentation really works when a company has a well-known brand (Intel, Kellogg, and Pfizer) and also manufactures "generic" brands. The real beauty of this type of market segmentation is that a company can sell the same product at different prices.

I cannot afford this (name brand product made by company A), but this (other product, also made by company A, but distributed under a different brand) looks the same and is cheaper. I will buy that.

OR

I trust company (or brand) A. I am willing to pay a price premium to have company A's products.

As one can see, Company A makes money whatever the customer buys.

It seems logical to assume that it does not cost Intel any more to manufacture P4C than P4B or Celeron. They are essentially selling the same product at different prices (also with i875 and i865). Same goes for AMD, except at a smaller scale since they have the two fabs, and the 3 (or 4?) different architectures.

Class dismissed.


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[Civilized]

Then again it all comes down to how much cpu do you really need....I sold my water cooled p4 system about a month ago with a radeon 9700 pro (also water cooled), when I realized it was overkill....I pocketed about 600 bucks and purchased a epox nforce2 mobo and a xp2500+ cpu and a geforce4 4200 and I cant tell a difference in gaming or other processes at all...
maybe it has come to a point where it really doesnt pay to focus on high end systems when a much much cheaper solution will do the job...but then again AMD will need to keep their cpu's much cheaper at the same time in order for this to work for them

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[dwellman]

Then again it all comes down to how much cpu do you really need....

Value (and, in turn, selling price) is (should be) determined by the benefit of having a particular product. But, your plain, English statement also works.

Keep in mind that some costumers derive additional benefit from having more than they reasonably need. To revisit the thread topic, that is the reason for AMD PR ratings-- to drive perception of value. The PR ratings do not have to coincide with reality in order to work.

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[Tech53]

The Opteron DOES have ratings but they have nothing to do with Mhz example:
Opteron 240
2=amount of CPU's per machine
40 is the performance rating (see nothing to do with mhz)
check it out here:
<A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/processors/productinformation/0,,30_118_8826_609,00.html" target="_new">http://www.amd.com/us-en/processors/productinformation/0,,30_118_8826_609,00.html</A>