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[citation][nom]DjEaZy[/nom].... Microsoft Should Stick With Software? a big YES!!! M$ with all of it's apple envy will pud down the whole PC industry...... M$ is starting to lose some key OEM partners, like hp...http://www.tomshardware.com/news/W [...] 16161.html... nokia is considering plan B...http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Nokia- [...] 15751.html... ultrabooks are not doing so well and windows 8 will not help...http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Acer [...] 37971.html... and on'n'on...[/citation]They're not losing partners, troll. HP backed out of WinRT (ARM), because they felt they couldn't compete in that arena. They're going to build full x86 Win8 tablets and whatnot though, in the meantime. It's a safer bet for them, x86 is all they've done well - and even then it could be argued that they've made a lot of terrible blunders.
Nokia would be stupid to not have a backup plan. Personally I never thought they should put all their eggs in one basket. I like WP7, but I don't own one. But they've gone on record as saying that WP8 is looking good, too. I'd definitely consider a Nokia device with WP8 on it.
Ultrabooks are just too expensive at this point, for most users. Most people considering an x86 Windows laptop are either in the price-sensitive category, or else want the best bang-for-buck without regard to how slim they are. Ultrabooks are shackled by very specific requirements by Intel. A decent quality ultrabook is quite pricey for what you get.
Now, when you look at more affordable "Ultrathins" that don't follow Intel's strict requirements for dimensions, storage, and processor model, those not-quite-Ultrabooks will sell better. Less expensive CPUs coupled with a mechanical HDD make for a less expensive Ultrathin. But they still won't boost "Ultrabook" sales, so you can still spout nonsense about Ultrabook sales like it matters in the big picture.
Nokia would be stupid to not have a backup plan. Personally I never thought they should put all their eggs in one basket. I like WP7, but I don't own one. But they've gone on record as saying that WP8 is looking good, too. I'd definitely consider a Nokia device with WP8 on it.
Ultrabooks are just too expensive at this point, for most users. Most people considering an x86 Windows laptop are either in the price-sensitive category, or else want the best bang-for-buck without regard to how slim they are. Ultrabooks are shackled by very specific requirements by Intel. A decent quality ultrabook is quite pricey for what you get.
Now, when you look at more affordable "Ultrathins" that don't follow Intel's strict requirements for dimensions, storage, and processor model, those not-quite-Ultrabooks will sell better. Less expensive CPUs coupled with a mechanical HDD make for a less expensive Ultrathin. But they still won't boost "Ultrabook" sales, so you can still spout nonsense about Ultrabook sales like it matters in the big picture.
didn't acer say dell won't last?
anyways, i'm eyeing the acer s7 ultrabook. Its pretty reasonable in terms of style but i'm waiting for the final hardware spec. really need 8GB RAM and 8 threads with 256GB SSD on 1080p screen for a 13.3inch. really need it for my oracle, VMware, selenium, Komodo Edit and NetBeans (a few other networking/security tools). these things are killing me day by day by dragging this heavy laptop.
anyways, i'm eyeing the acer s7 ultrabook. Its pretty reasonable in terms of style but i'm waiting for the final hardware spec. really need 8GB RAM and 8 threads with 256GB SSD on 1080p screen for a 13.3inch. really need it for my oracle, VMware, selenium, Komodo Edit and NetBeans (a few other networking/security tools). these things are killing me day by day by dragging this heavy laptop.
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[citation][nom]Chieftexas[/nom]Acer has no business giving anyone hardware adivce...[/citation]
Acer actually has extensive experience in computer hardware..... Anyone else remember AOpen or "Acer-Open"??? That's Acer's hardware division... They've produced sound cards, modems, video cards, network cards, motherboards, optical drives..... They know hardware...
Acer actually has extensive experience in computer hardware..... Anyone else remember AOpen or "Acer-Open"??? That's Acer's hardware division... They've produced sound cards, modems, video cards, network cards, motherboards, optical drives..... They know hardware...
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The trouble is they have been making the hardware cheaper and cheaper.
This has led to poor quality products. I have noticed a significant drop in quality over the past 5 years.
If you pick up a laptop from 10 years ago its amazing the level of build quality, even in the plastics.
I do feel that computers can be cheap....but not that cheap. It's time to set a realistic limit in order to make sure the user has a good experience rather than a shoddy one.
This has led to poor quality products. I have noticed a significant drop in quality over the past 5 years.
If you pick up a laptop from 10 years ago its amazing the level of build quality, even in the plastics.
I do feel that computers can be cheap....but not that cheap. It's time to set a realistic limit in order to make sure the user has a good experience rather than a shoddy one.
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actually i agree with this guy . If MS produces their own tablet , they will only drive other hardware vbendors to andriod OS , as many companies don't care to harbor a competitors OS on thier hardware.
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I can see the sense in making a Nexus-like device. Microsoft is demonstrating how they see their software being used. As long as they don't make it a habit of competing with their OEMs it shouldn't be a problem. The same rules apply to Intel. Intel makes entire PCs, they just can't assemble and sell them or the OEMs would freak out.
Not entirely true... other than Logitech only they make such good peripherals.
Btw, I don't know about its tablets but I have had an Acer laptop for 2.5 years and it's been all right. I 've even taken apart this thing and its engineering is not bad.
Btw, I don't know about its tablets but I have had an Acer laptop for 2.5 years and it's been all right. I 've even taken apart this thing and its engineering is not bad.
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[citation][nom]jkflipflop98[/nom]I can see the sense in making a Nexus-like device. Microsoft is demonstrating how they see their software being used. As long as they don't make it a habit of competing with their OEMs it shouldn't be a problem. The same rules apply to Intel. Intel makes entire PCs, they just can't assemble and sell them or the OEMs would freak out.[/citation]
Yes I think Microsoft creating a proper 'benchmark' standard as to how Windows and the hardware should be assembled and presented would be a superb idea. When folks see it all working as it should then it will be up to the other makers to step up to the mark.
It's time some minimum standards were introduced. Things have got way too lax.
Yes I think Microsoft creating a proper 'benchmark' standard as to how Windows and the hardware should be assembled and presented would be a superb idea. When folks see it all working as it should then it will be up to the other makers to step up to the mark.
It's time some minimum standards were introduced. Things have got way too lax.
[citation][nom]alextheblue[/nom]Just when I thought THG was safe from commies... even JFK warned about you fluckers![/citation]
[citation][nom]Marcus52[/nom]Oh yeah they are bad guys and Apple isn't because they spend more money lobbying than Apple. Apple's policies are only "lie through our teeth about the competition, sue everyone who makes anything that looks like what we have, and make our products pretty instead of functional so clueless people will buy them."http://www.opensecrets.org/news/20 [...] gress.html[/citation]
You do a diservice to commies. They may be evil, they're not whacko.
[citation][nom]Marcus52[/nom]Oh yeah they are bad guys and Apple isn't because they spend more money lobbying than Apple. Apple's policies are only "lie through our teeth about the competition, sue everyone who makes anything that looks like what we have, and make our products pretty instead of functional so clueless people will buy them."http://www.opensecrets.org/news/20 [...] gress.html[/citation]
You do a diservice to commies. They may be evil, they're not whacko.
MS wants to do what is lacking--having a unified product that isn't susceptible to crap OS/firmware modifications from hardware manufacturers. I'm all for Android as an alternative to Apple mobile products, but the platform is so disjointed, and OEMs are left to do what they want with the version(s) of Android they want to use, and as such stability of systems and apps is iffy at best.
Want students to use tablets exclusively for school tasks? You have to lock-down the hardware platform a bit more.
MS's tablets with the keyboard (not the touch-pad keyboard) would be much more preferable for students than a larger laptop. How many threads are in hardware forums where students ask if they should use a tablet for class because it's so much lighter, even with a dock/keyboard? Only to find out the stability problems with current tablets. This Acer founder needs to be a bit more active in what people want before making blanket statements grasping on the past.
Want students to use tablets exclusively for school tasks? You have to lock-down the hardware platform a bit more.
MS's tablets with the keyboard (not the touch-pad keyboard) would be much more preferable for students than a larger laptop. How many threads are in hardware forums where students ask if they should use a tablet for class because it's so much lighter, even with a dock/keyboard? Only to find out the stability problems with current tablets. This Acer founder needs to be a bit more active in what people want before making blanket statements grasping on the past.
I don't see good things for MS doing this, competing with your own partners is generally bad business. It would have been better to force a licensing agreement with basic standards for OEM sales, and select at least a single OEM as the "golden" standard.
As for Acer and hardware, I guess I'm one of the few that doesn't have a problem with them. They've been more reliable than Toshiba and Dell for me - have both a Aspire1 netbook and a TimelineX laptop. When we actually look at studies (such as SquareTrade's), they're less than 5% away from the top brands in laptop failures in 2yrs which is pretty good despite their lower cost. Of course Squaretrade projects a higher failure at 3yrs, but have yet to provide evidence for those projections. Worth noting is netbooks suck for reliability in general though, so only the laptop results are really notable.
Just my two cents though.
As for Acer and hardware, I guess I'm one of the few that doesn't have a problem with them. They've been more reliable than Toshiba and Dell for me - have both a Aspire1 netbook and a TimelineX laptop. When we actually look at studies (such as SquareTrade's), they're less than 5% away from the top brands in laptop failures in 2yrs which is pretty good despite their lower cost. Of course Squaretrade projects a higher failure at 3yrs, but have yet to provide evidence for those projections. Worth noting is netbooks suck for reliability in general though, so only the laptop results are really notable.
Just my two cents though.
Nothing like good 'ol competition. Frankly, I can see why MS did it. Their OS market share is being threatened by Apple's products and the x86 PC vendors haven't been very competitive so far in that space. They needed a big push from Intel to even get into ultrathins. This launch by MS will drag the x86 PC makers into the battle kicking and screaming.
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