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An awesome response from ADOBE!!!

particularly liked "being the only company that isn't participating isn't exactly a favorable position to be in at the end of the day." towards Apple

An awesome response from ADOBE!!!
 
Flash has never given me any crash problems. I don't understand why everyone says it crashes all the time. I'm a self employed technician and have seen more than my own 3 computers in which flash has worked for weeks at a time in my browser that I never close.

I've only ever seen a few customer computers in which flash crashed and they were so infested with spyware and malware that it was a wonder anything worked at all. If people are having problems with Flash it's either the website they go to is written badly or they're infested with malware.
 
[citation][nom]Shadow703793[/nom]Now all Adobe has to do is drop Apple OSX support.[/citation]

That is unlikely to happen. They may be mad at Apple but they do not want to alienate customers. A more likely situation would be to drop support for OSXI once that is released. Keep supporting customers on their current systems but once they need to buy a new one they require them to go to Windows in order to continue using Adobe.
 
I kinda have to lean towards opera's stance on it, flash is great for interactive media, but if it's just being used to play video, there's better ways out there.

As for html5, if they want to get it going they need to start speeding development up and get it finished and fully working in non-beta browsers
 
[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]Flash has never given me any crash problems. I don't understand why everyone says it crashes all the time. I'm a self employed technician and have seen more than my own 3 computers in which flash has worked for weeks at a time in my browser that I never close.[/citation]

If you're a Windows person then you're safe. It's the MAC guys that are prone to the crashes. Seeing as how you didn't state that important point no one can really know if the problem would apply to you or not.

[citation][nom]kelemvor4[/nom]I think I have to support Adobe here. I do think flash is a pretty decent product[/citation]

Don't be too sure about it. Sure it's widely used but it has a whole array of security issues (which are also exploited obviously). They just need to stitch up the security holes and I would agree that it's pretty decent.

 
Okay, all of the talk about HTML5 taking over and Flash dying is simply ridiculous. HTML5 and Flash are two totally different animals that cannot be compared equally. Flash/Flex are utilized to build simple to complex web applications (not just video streaming and the watching of YouTube, Vimeo, etc).

HTML5 has some really sweet additions for web developers but, it's going to take the web browser application developers to truly make the HTML5 standard work for the world. The combination of HTML5/CSS3/AJAX/PERL is awesome but even 5+ years down the road from now will still be unable to surpass the need/portability of tools such as Flash/Flex & silverlight.

Furthermore, Adobe is smart, if Apple won't support flash (unless the FEDS declare antitrust) then, GOOGLE will be more than happy to open its doors with Android/CHROME-OS and the host of companies that utilize its open-source architecture. Then, only time will tell.
 
[citation][nom]Hatecrime69[/nom]I kinda have to lean towards opera's stance on it, flash is great for interactive media, but if it's just being used to play video, there's better ways out there.[/citation]

Really? What are they? Because last time I checked, a site like youtube would literally be impossible without flash. The reason it works is because flash is available on every major platform, so the same experience can be delivered on each.

Granted, HTML5 may one day provide that aspect of the flash experience. But it's not here yet.
 
[citation][nom]Zingam[/nom]We don't need Flash actually. All we need is something efficient, open and free that works everywhere and that does not require plugins that create even more security wholes and performance problems.[/citation]
We don't need Apple actually. All we need is something efficient, open and free that works everywhere and that does not require plugins that create even more security wholes(sic) and performance problems.
 
[citation][nom]Zingam[/nom]We don't need Flash actually. All we need is something efficient, open and free that works everywhere and that does not require plugins that create even more security wholes and performance problems.[/citation]
We don't need Apple actually. All we need is something efficient, open and free that works everywhere and that does not require plugins that create even more security wholes(sic) and performance problems.
 
its all about Apple trying to prevent people from loading free flash games on the ipad. they want you to pay for everything you do on the ipad. btw if you are on Windows trash iTunes and get EJukebox!
 

Adobe could very well do this. Most running OSX + Adobe Creative Suite are people who's job depend on Adobes product. If Adobe gave them a low cost/free "upgrade" Windows version (or allow them to use the same key on the Windows version) those OSX users will switch platforms in a heart beat. I's significantly easier to learn a new OS than to find and re-learn a Photoshop like program. Also realize, that there really isn't much choice/competition to Adobe in the professional market.
 
[citation][nom]RunStart[/nom]I can not speak about flash for mobile phones, tablets, etc. But for PC's, Flash has always worked flawlessly for me. Never had problems ever and I can honestly say that for the last 8 years even when Flash was still owned and Developed by Macromedia. [/citation]
Flash has been different for me. I have the Flash CS3 creator and that program tends to crash and it tends to install DRM to make sure you have a legit copy.
 
Correct me if I am wrong here but It looks to me manny are betting on OSX to get out of the picture or become irrelevant over time when the "right bet" is to have more options, like them or not. What would be really good is to have more OS initiatives and no less competition. Not even Windows users will benefit from OSX becoming irrelevant.

But manny of us like to work on an OS which UI is created by very talented graphic designers and one in which we could depend on and finish our work in a timely manner. A while ago It was not a fear comparison between OSX and Windows NT or XP because Windows was more oriented to business and OSX to creatives. With Windows 7 that difference has become narrower and this is very good for more than just graphic artist. Still, besides the prices is everything/argument OSX still offers a very appealing UI and a stable and reliable creative platform. And this is another valid option. As a creative professional I use both side to side.

In sum, and please don't start with the very hard words again, we all benefit from more competition, even if that competition is on a specific area like creativity. Today W7 is better because of this and if Apple starts to stay behind this wont help anyone. Lets hope Apple will fight harder and get more and more competitive in other very important OS areas besides UI so this will hopefully push Windows up even further. How about this?
 
Since when has Adobe been about choice? They're just about controlling the consumer and telling people what they want and what they need to use. They in that respect are alot like Apple. I of course have been a Corel user since 1993, so call me biased.
 
[citation][nom]hiniberus[/nom]If you're a Windows person then you're safe. It's the MAC guys that are prone to the crashes. Seeing as how you didn't state that important point no one can really know if the problem would apply to you or not. [/citation]

Since the people saying Flash crashes all the time didn't specify a platform, I assume they are referring to all platforms and not Mac only. Still, a self employed technician gives away what systems I work on. There wouldn't be enough business to work on Mac computers. In fact, I don't know a single person in my population 15,000+ area that have a Mac and I've been working here for over 20 years. Nobody even has an iphone (not available here).


 
I don't know why HTML5 is even being discussed. Web developers have to support past technology, we still have to consider IE6 in 2010 and may have to for a year or two more yet.

HTML5 is too new to be considered for use in any business production site and will be for many years.
 

Really? I'm surprised every time someone does say it. I would have thought people would be over such a lame meme now but apparently being lame actually makes you cool.
 
HTML5 is great! I would love to use it, but as a developer who does a lot of Microsoft-contract projects, it kind of bites since most of my MS contracts still require support for Internet Explorer 6. Ugg... I've never understood that.

LONG LIVE ADOBE! SHORT LIFE TO APPLE!
 
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