Adobe Responds to Apple, is Fine With Breakup

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Great... make yourself incompatible with something so universal that every browser should just come with it installed!

Way to back yourself into a corner, Apple!
 
*sigh*

Does Steve not realize that flash support is probably the biggest downfall of the iphone?

I do enough w\ my iphone but i'd use it alot more if I had flash.
 
I'm looking forward to flash on my Droid. Even though Adobe wouldn't limit their market, it would be interesting if Adobe discontinued all products for OS X also.
 
I place the blame squarely on Adobe. It is entirely their fault that flash lagged and was unmaintained for so very long. Had they stayed on top if it and kept it updated, slim, and stable, this whole thing would be a non-issue.
 
Amazing, in the past weren't Apple & Adobe close partners? I always heard that Apple were the computers built for artistic programs like Photoshop and such.
 
I commend Adobe for at least attempting to make Apples latest products a little better experience for users.

But that goes to show you how far Steve Jobs has his head shoved up his a$$...
 
Eh, no huge loss.

I'm excited for the day that flash dies, mostly because it's hugely inefficient, is reliant of proprietary software, and needs a third party application installed on your system to run. HTML 5 and SVG are the future.

I'm happy Apple made the decision, however we all know it wasn't well intention. But it still may sway public opinion, so yay.
 
@ Nakal

Adode already said they were not going todo this.

After all the can't afford to cut off 40 % + of their customer base
 
Flash is a battery hog, doesn't support x64, and has been known to be so awful that even a dual core system will be unable to display flash without being choppy as the ocean in a hurricane.

I wish Flash would either die or become lean and mean, like Silverlight or HTML5... In my experience using both (SL in Netflix, HTML5 in YouTube) both technologies are FAR superior and more well suited to the internet platform.
 
Apple better show Adobe some respect. Photoshop and many of Adobes other software are greatly responsible for their Mac sales. Putting all this negative press against Adobe is a bad move.
 
I'll believe it when I see it. Flash was supposed to be "released" months ago for the Pre, but it's been pushed back again and again.
 
[citation][nom]RDS[/nom]@ NakalAdode already said they were not going todo this.After all the can't afford to cut off 40 % + of their customer base[/citation]

Maybe so. It depends on how badly they see themselves threatened by the rift. If Adobe feels threatened enough in other markets they may pull the plug on OSX support. They would lose some business but quickly pick it up again as developers switch to linux or windows based machines for their work. After all, the main difference between an Imac and a regular PC for photoshop is the Imacs excellent monitor. Of course, that wouldn't hurt Mac sales, as the portables don't benefit from the same screen tech as the iMac.
 
I hope people turn away from the Iphone, there are better phones out there ...personally I'm looking forward to the HTC EVO 4G.
 
[citation][nom]stratplaya[/nom]Adobe should stop making a MAC version of Photoshop. That would get Apple's attention real quick![/citation]
That will get Apple's attention real quick. However, I think it'll do Adobe more harm since Mac users accounts for just over half of their Photoshop sales. Apple, meanwhile will just continue to charge forward with their iPad, iPhone, iPod and iTunes.

And while Jobs may be right about Flash (very hard for me to admit I agree with him), and the world may one day move towards HTML5. But the fact remains that we're not there YET. Someday, maybe, but not yet.

On top of that, what is so bad about Apple working with Adobe to bring down power consumption and help fix their bugs with Flash? And I still fail to see what was so bad about their Flash CS5 iPhone app compiler.
 
Flash is crap. It has been the "security leak" as for my wife and kids computers getting "flash" viruses. It is responsible for the most intrusive "wiggly", "take over your screen" advertisements. I will be glad when this product just dies!
 
As stated earlier by others, I do enjoy my iphone and use it regularly but not providing Flash support realy bites. I think apple is overstepping their bounds with this one and instead of listening to us the consumer they are now deciding what is best for us. After my 2g phone moves on to greener pastures I will most likely be getting a Android instead. Shame, I really enjoyed the innovation that the Iphone brought with it and was holding out for flash support but this is it for me. It may not be the same for everybody but considering most other smartphones run it and utilize it, it would be only logical for apple to follow suit.
 
[citation][nom]Simonetti[/nom]My thoughts exactly as I was reading the article. Apple owes Adobe big time, because Apples Creative Suite has ALWAYS pushed Apple sales for professionals, since the early days of Adobe Photoshop.As I've said before, Apple is on a shoot-yourself-in-the-foot streak for the past few weeks.[/citation]
So Adobe can buy any new technology firm (Macromedia) and slump on the update of their products to work with mobile devices (Adobe cancelled the mobile version of Flash that Macromedia was working on years ago) and x64 browsers - and Apple should just jump on board with anything they do? Not having Flash on the iPhone really shouldn't be a big deal to anyone since it's not a common feature on any smartphone out there, let alone iPhone, but people have been complaining for 3 years. Most of the complainers do not own iPhones and probably never will, they just use it as an arguing point in their anti-Apple crusade. I'm not sure Apple would want to be the beta tester for Flash on the iPhone even if it were available over the past few years. Adobe dropped the ball...Apple hasn't done anything but point that out.

As far as their compiler goes, I'm not really sure I care as an end user what is used to develop apps. I definitely prefer software designed specifically for the platform it's being used on, though. As an app developer, I still don't care since I don't use their stuff.
 
[citation][nom]xpax[/nom]The problem is that Apple has no desire to work with Adobe. The real reasons behind keeping Flash off the iPhone/iWhatever is vendor lock-in. Apple wants to maintain iron-fisted control over the ecosystem, and they want to inhibit developers from producing anything cross-platform. That would allow the same app to be available for Android easily.[/citation]

This pretty much says it all.
 
It's kind of funny how everyone knows Flash sucks, but once Apple goes against it, they get support.

Flash blows. Forget who's for it or against it. It's time is up, and it's going away.

It's also pathetic how easily people can be manipulated into getting wired up. Just mention Apple. It's so pathetically human to need someone to hate, and all the base reactions attest to that. All Tom's has to do is put an Apple article in, spin it a bit to make Apple seem even worse, and then watch all the numbskulls go after it like carp after a piece of corn on a hook.

Apple didn't make you buy anything, and haven't ruined your lives. They aren't worthy of being hated. They don't appeal to me in the least, but i like that they are around, and giving people a choice, albeit a choice I don't fully understand. Don't get me wrong, when I hear someone boast they have an Apple, I almost laugh and feel embarrassed for them. They think they're saying they're so cool and trendy, and wealthy enough to own an Apple. They're really saying they don't know anything about computers and want to seem cool.

But, I don't hate Apple for that. They make a lot of money for their shareholders. I'm not crazy about their users though. I can't stand the pretentiousness.
 
[citation][nom]kelldore[/nom]I think apple is overstepping their bounds with this one and instead of listening to us the consumer they are now deciding what is best for us. [/citation]

Say, now, that is some dangerous thinking, kelldore. Steve knows best, just breathe a sigh of relief, and know that you don't have to worry about what you may or may not be missing. /sarcasm
 
As we have seen in the past, the more you embrace open standards the more you prosper. It seemed for a while that Apple was understanding this and was actually taking a bigger bite of the apple (hehe). Though with iTunes they think they can corner all markets with a closed approach, unfortunately for them it is not always the case. If you create hardware that is ahead of it's time (ipod, iphone) then yes you can close off the software side of things and control every portion of it (like consoles can). What Steve has ALWAYS failed to see is that the mac is just a PC (personal computer). Unless they can continue to innovate the hardware market with fresh Ideas, they are going to be right back in the same boat they were in back in the 80's...
 
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