Adobe Responds to Apple, is Fine With Breakup

[knowom]

If Adobe completely abandoned making any future software for Apple all together it would be very comical to say the least not that I think they will.

 

[Gin Fushicho]

Well.... seems like Apple is going to lose out on a good product. maybe even more if they make Adobe upset. Better flash for Microsoft Windows here we come. =)

 

[Abydosone]

[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]Eh, no huge loss.I'm excited for the day that flash dies, mostly because it's hugely inefficient, is reliant of proprietary software, and needs a third party application installed on your system to run. HTML 5 and SVG are the future.I'm happy Apple made the decision, however we all know it wasn't well intention. But it still may sway public opinion, so yay.[/citation]

Unfortunately HTML 5 and SVG just won't cut it when it comes to games for the web, especially with the rise of the social gaming platform. Javascript is way too inefficient for the tasks required by games (JS was flawed from the beginning). Not only that, but Javascript is freely visible, providing no protection for source code whatsoever, which gives developers no incentive to use it to develop games because anyone can modify the code and cheat.

The only thing HTML 5 has going for it is video and audio playback, drag and drop, and better standards.

 

[christopherknapp]

HTML5 ... sorry Adobe.

 

[orionantares]

Apple has some valid points. Right now Flash rendering would reduce battery life and that is something Adobe should address especially when moving to mobile devices. However, Apple is being unreasonable, they had the chance to give Adobe specs to make Flash acceptable on their device and by proxy potentially help improve Flash for other platforms. HTML5 might be a replacement for Flash someday but in the mean time it isn't and it would likely have been quicker to fix Flash than it will be to get HTML5 really working and adopted fully.

 

[eddieroolz]

I think Adobe should start thinking about intercompatibility with HTML5 as well, since all major players seem to be moving to that arena.

 

[TheKurrgan]

Apple HAS backed themselves into a corner, but not an unsuitable one entirely. The bottom line is they are gambling. At this point with HTML 5 knocking on the door and other technologies emerging, there is a distinct possibility that flash may loose its market hold. However, this will not be for some time to come, and apple in the meantime has forced its users to do without, banking on the fact that in the mobile world they have a commanding presence. However, the other side of the coin is that Adobe IS the leading reason for apple's presence in any kind of business role with its Mac line, and in the future they can make it much less attractive for Mac users with Adobe, leaning more to the Windows end of things.
my .02

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]Abydosone[/nom]Unfortunately HTML 5 and SVG just won't cut it when it comes to games for the web, especially with the rise of the social gaming platform.[/citation]

Really? Then that mix of HTML5 and WebGL that ported the Quake 2 engine, and made a few other games must have been a figment of my imagination:
http://dailyjs.com/2010/04/02/html5-games/

[citation][nom]Abydosone[/nom]Javascript is way too inefficient for the tasks required by games (JS was flawed from the beginning). Not only that, but Javascript is freely visible, providing no protection for source code whatsoever, which gives developers no incentive to use it to develop games because anyone can modify the code and cheat.[/citation]
I won't comment on the efficiency of Javascript, but it can be hidden just as PHP, with PHP:
http://bytes.com/topic/javascript/insights/749685-hide-javascript-code-client

And that fact is, I can download any .swf I want and decompile it if I really cared to.

 

[zybch]

[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]Apple has 8% market share... I don't think Adobe is all that worried. Adobe should require Flash be installed and running for their software to work. That would burn Jobs.[/citation]

Actually it's closer to 4% worldwide. The ONLY country that has any market share for apple is the US, and thats only because nowhere else are there enough dumbasses who believe everything they see in a slick commercial will buy such overpriced and under performing toys.

 

[chickenhoagie]

i thought for sure i would be getting the iphone 4g..but now that flash is clearly out of the picture for the iphone, but into the picture for other phones coming soon...i may be interested in others

 

[Guest]

The funniest thing about all of this is that Adobe has yet to prove that they can develop a version of flash running on the iPhone. So Adobe put your money where your mouth is. Show us the version of flash that runs on the iPhone, does not suck the battery dry, and does not crash the phone. After all you can jailbreak a phone to prove your point. So...let's see it.

If you can't then your CEO should turn over his position to me and leave Adobe and maybe the country for good.

Michael Murdock, CEO
DocMurdock.com

 

[Guest]

I hope they pull Creative Suite entirely off the Mac with future releases. That would hit em in the balls.

 

[Guest]

I tried a mobile phone that allows Flash the other day and what happened? The phone froze on every second flash based web site it stumbled upon. My iPhone simply cruises along and works and works and works. Flash? Good riddance!

 

[zybch]

[citation][nom]oohmyygoood[/nom] My iPhone simply cruises along and works and works and works. Flash? Good riddance![/citation]

Till, that is, you try to go to a site that uses flash, then it falls in a heap and you get a placeholder that rubs it in your face that apple have more control over the phone you paid a lot of money for than you do.

 

[gilbertfh]

[citation][nom]TA152H[/nom]It's kind of funny how everyone knows Flash sucks, but once Apple goes against it, they get support.Flash blows. Forget who's for it or against it. It's time is up, and it's going away..[/citation]

There was a time people said the same thing about Apple.

 

[nukemaster]

[citation][nom]hoofhearted[/nom]Flash is crap. It has been the "security leak" as for my wife and kids computers getting "flash" viruses. It is responsible for the most intrusive "wiggly", "take over your screen" advertisements. I will be glad when this product just dies![/citation]
Then they will use HTML5 to take over your screen with ad's That will never change. It has always been. Get Adblock Plus and say good by to ads. Did I mention, I have NEVER got a "flash" virus. Maybe you need to tech your wife and kids a bit about computer use.

 

[mlopinto2k1]

Flash is cool but it definitely is a power hog. For instance, go try and play Cafe World on a regular machine. Slow as hell. Even on fast machines it gets slow. Anyway, who cares. Flash was only cool when people made websites out of them. I made a few in the past when it was Macromedia.. lots of freedom. Can't you embed the flash movie into an html document so you don't need the flash player to view it? Or as a quicktime movie?

 

[Regulas]

The future is with HTML5 and Open GL. Flash is a resource hogging advertisement platform that sucks laptop batteries dry and is a security risk too.

 

[machvelocy]

mid 90's, adobe photoshop, pagemaker and ilustrator is the only reason people (including my dad) to buy a mac... as they run much faster than the win version.

macs will be dead if adobe pulls out their CS software

 

[crinky]

apple = stupid

 

[ofmanyone]

I have despised proprietary crap since I started working in IT 14 years ago. I have an iPhone and I love it... mostly. But all of this arian apple nation idea may drive me away from apple altogether. They're not the only player in this game and if the Nexus One still kills the iPhone in specs and compatability when the 4G comes out, I shall bid apple adieu. The iPhone is the only apple product I've ever owned and I'm starting to realize why.

 

[Hatecrime69]

Yeah, 'completely fine' with it (as adobe files an anti-trust complaint)

 

[Guest]

Honestly think about it, since the internet started one goal has been to avoid the internet breaking up into smaller separate internets, Steve Jobs is trying to make his own internet here, one which he controls fully.

Imagine if every web designer or web developer or anyone for that matter wanting to create a 'web page' had to have their 'site' approved by steve jobs in order for it be 'allowed' on the internet, look at the apple site it shows sites that have been 'approved' for the iphone - ipad's splinter cell of the internet, it's crap!! don't buy ipad, don't buy apple..

He talks about 'stability, performance, open and so on' the wifi ipad can't even connect to wifi!! the internet should remain FREE for anyone to put up whatever they want, wherever they want, and say whatever they want in whatever language or technology they choose... if their devices don't support 'the internet' including all possible technologies and formats on 'the entire internet' then their devices suck big time.. it's like jobs is saying.. sorry lads.. jpegs are are out, no jpg images allowed on my internet.. jpegs are 'banned'.. by me... he's an idiot..

 

[Guest]

Quit Whining... Go Somewhere else!

For those that say they'll go somewhere else if iPhone doesn't get flash.... Go somewhere else.

Apple has always pushed for the best technology in the machines regardless of what others are doing. They should be free to continue doing that.. If you don't like it... Go somewhere else.

Macs have benefitted from Adobe. They've also benefitted from Microsoft. They wouldn't be nearly as accepted without Office for Mac as it's still the business standard. But that doesn't mean they have to use Adobe or Microsoft for the iphone, ipad, or other. Adobe doesn't like it? Go somewhere else. But they won't drop support for Mac.. they still make a lot of money from that and wouldn't risk the loss.

Don't like the closed system? Try telling rimm or palm (hp) or anyone else with proprietary software you want everyone to be able to play with it. As far as that goes, get off the mac, get off windows 7, go complete open source so you can do what you want. Seriously... Go Somewhere else. You won't, cuz these companies put out great things. They keep it closed so they , and their shareholders, can make money for their efforts. There's nothing wrong with that. Don't like it... Go Somewhere else.

Want something for free? Get an android phone. Google gives android away for free. BUT, WHEN YOU DO GET AN ANDROID PHONE... Tell Google you want one without ads...see how quickly they tell you to Go somewhere else.

In summary, Quit Whining... Go Somewhere else!