Advice needed about SSD

[legendkiller2]

Hello,
I am getting this laptop soon.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-2PE-234UK-Apache-17-3-inch-Notebook/dp/B00L671P8C/ref=sr_1_5?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1427383491&sr=1-5&keywords=gaming+laptop
So I would like to know what is the best internal SSD at the moment to get for that laptop? Money is not an issue.

Thanks in advance.

 

[God-Squad-Geek]

most SSD's are compatible with laptops as they are SATA3 2.5" disk sizes. In other words they fit laptops naturally and require a 2.5-3.5 adapter to fit a desktop model.

but anyway Samsung has the best out right now, and has 4-5 in the top ten. By far the best. They developed a proprietary 3D system of NAND with is better for the flash decay of the SSD's. Most SSD makers are politely sticking their fingers in their ears regarding this issue. Anyway, I have emailed another developer of server quality drives for a home version, but until then I recommend the Samsung:

http://smile.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00LMXBOP4/ref=sr_1_1_olp?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1427598193&sr=1-1&keywords=samsung+850+PRO&condition=new

it's the Samsung850 pro, it has 150tb r/w life span, and the second best is SanDisk exrtreme pro with only 80TB.

it's the fastest and has a 10 year warranty as far as I know, anyway.

amazon only gives it a 90 day warranty, I think. But the MFG warranty is 10 years.

you can find anything on amazon, put the word smiles in the "www" portion of the amazon page, and it will donate 1/2 of a percent to charity.

I support Discovery Institute Seattle which promotes public education.

anyway, if you put in your credentials at amazon smile, it gives the same sites just sign up with smiles, then put into the WWW spot on the address bar...."smiles" and it will convert the amazon page to smiles.amazon.com

and donate the 1/2 percent to charity, if you don't use the smiles page, it won't donate, it's one of the rules, but prices are same, it's just that amazon eats 1/2 a percent on the smiles site, and donates.

anyway, good luck......and Godspeed.

I am trying to buy an SSD right now, that's why it was fresh in my mind.

 

[legendkiller2]

most SSD's are compatible with laptops as they are SATA3 2.5" disk sizes. In other words they fit laptops naturally and require a 2.5-3.5 adapter to fit a desktop model.

but anyway Samsung has the best out right now, and has 4-5 in the top ten. By far the best. They developed a proprietary 3D system of NAND with is better for the flash decay of the SSD's. Most SSD makers are politely sticking their fingers in their ears regarding this issue. Anyway, I have emailed another developer of server quality drives for a home version, but until then I recommend the Samsung:

http://smile.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00LMXBOP4/ref=sr_1_1_olp?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1427598193&sr=1-1&keywords=samsung+850+PRO&condition=new

it's the Samsung850 pro, it has 150tb r/w life span, and the second best is SanDisk exrtreme pro with only 80TB.

it's the fastest and has a 10 year warranty as far as I know, anyway.

amazon only gives it a 90 day warranty, I think. But the MFG warranty is 10 years.

you can find anything on amazon, put the word smiles in the "www" portion of the amazon page, and it will donate 1/2 of a percent to charity.

I support Discovery Institute Seattle which promotes public education.

anyway, if you put in your credentials at amazon smile, it gives the same sites just sign up with smiles, then put into the WWW spot on the address bar...."smiles" and it will convert the amazon page to smiles.amazon.com

and donate the 1/2 percent to charity, if you don't use the smiles page, it won't donate, it's one of the rules, but prices are same, it's just that amazon eats 1/2 a percent on the smiles site, and donates.

anyway, good luck......and Godspeed.

I am trying to buy an SSD right now, that's why it was fresh in my mind.

Thanks for the reply. That's what I had in mind as well. But I have seen some slim SSDs that work on PCI Express so are these for desktops only?

 

[God-Squad-Geek]

I have looked into the slim ones as well, I would avoid them.

I tend to stray from compact, when it comes to heat failure of electronics.

but anyway, it will fit if it's a 2.5" disk, and if not it's probably a 3.5" and even then it will fit a desktop which is 3.5. But most of the resellers have opted for the 2.5 anyway, because they can sell it to desktop owners with an adapter bracket, and sell it to laptop owners, as-is.

I just saw a test on the life expectance of SSD, and there were only two that did not fail prematurely (test done in this last year).

one was Kingston hyper X,

and the best was

the Samsung 850 pro SSD.

but even if you want to go with the one you mention, that's fine, just make sure it has a warranty to cover premature failure.

for myself, I like the samsungs 10 year warranty, but the tests are clear that the Samsung 850 will outlive 10 years for sure of normal use.

probably more like 100 years.

anyway,

peace.

And don't forget to use,

smiles.amazon.

(it's free, and it helps charities throughout the US, and global)

(I use discovery institute - seattle- for public education)

TTYL

here is the link to the tests:

https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead/2

Now originally I mentioned the Samsung 850 pro with is too new to have a lot of reviews, but seeing that Samsung has hit several in top 10 in recent years with 840 pro, and EVO versions, we should not expect less.

but regardless, Samsung changed the warranty from 3 years, to 10 years with the 850 pro.

so they are very confident in it.

here is a review of 840pro, versus 850pro:

the older 840pro being sold out and less product meaning more cost:

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Pro-256GB-vs-Samsung-840-Pro-256GB/2385vs1408

but again you can go with slimline OCZ vertex (rated #1 a year or two ago on toptenreviews.com)

which is the cheapest yet.

but as far as longevity, we don't know.

especially with the problem of 2D flash on SSD's

(the problem most are ignoring)

Kingston and Samsung are addressing the issue for sure.

it's just that Samsung is giving it's product a low price and a 10 year warranty.

so I am settled on it.
it's good enough for mylifetime

but if you are looking for server quality then I would email:
HGST.com as they pioneered drives that address the flash issue of 2D, and other R/W premature failures.

http://www.storagesearch.com/simple.html

http://www.storagesearch.com/adaptive-flash-ssd-ip.html

(NOTE: some new laptops have a 1.8 not a 2.5 but only when they come standard with an SSD drive. Not sure if your MSI one does or not, I searched the home page of the MFG, and they don't specify the smaller rarer size, so I am assuming they are 2.5 inch like most laptops

but regardless, email them:

http://www.msi.com/about/contact-us

put your part number in there, and the drive you want, and ask them.

when it comes to paying high prices for performance, it doesn't hurt to verify.

 

[legendkiller2]

I have looked into the slim ones as well, I would avoid them.

I tend to stray from compact, when it comes to heat failure of electronics.

but anyway, it will fit if it's a 2.5" disk, and if not it's probably a 3.5" and even then it will fit a desktop which is 3.5. But most of the resellers have opted for the 2.5 anyway, because they can sell it to desktop owners with an adapter bracket, and sell it to laptop owners, as-is.

I just saw a test on the life expectance of SSD, and there were only two that did not fail prematurely (test done in this last year).

one was Kingston hyper X,

and the best was

the Samsung 850 pro SSD.

but even if you want to go with the one you mention, that's fine, just make sure it has a warranty to cover premature failure.

for myself, I like the samsungs 10 year warranty, but the tests are clear that the Samsung 850 will outlive 10 years for sure of normal use.

probably more like 100 years.

anyway,

peace.

And don't forget to use,

smiles.amazon.

(it's free, and it helps charities throughout the US, and global)

(I use discovery institute - seattle- for public education)

TTYL

here is the link to the tests:

https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead/2

Now originally I mentioned the Samsung 850 pro with is too new to have a lot of reviews, but seeing that Samsung has hit several in top 10 in recent years with 840 pro, and EVO versions, we should not expect less.

but regardless, Samsung changed the warranty from 3 years, to 10 years with the 850 pro.

so they are very confident in it.

here is a review of 840pro, versus 850pro:

the older 840pro being sold out and less product meaning more cost:

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Pro-256GB-vs-Samsung-840-Pro-256GB/2385vs1408

but again you can go with slimline OCZ vertex (rated #1 a year or two ago on toptenreviews.com)

which is the cheapest yet.

but as far as longevity, we don't know.

especially with the problem of 2D flash on SSD's

(the problem most are ignoring)

Kingston and Samsung are addressing the issue for sure.

it's just that Samsung is giving it's product a low price and a 10 year warranty.

so I am settled on it.
it's good enough for mylifetime

but if you are looking for server quality then I would email:
HGST.com as they pioneered drives that address the flash issue of 2D, and other R/W premature failures.

http://www.storagesearch.com/simple.html

http://www.storagesearch.com/adaptive-flash-ssd-ip.html

(NOTE: some new laptops have a 1.8 not a 2.5 but only when they come standard with an SSD drive. Not sure if your MSI one does or not, I searched the home page of the MFG, and they don't specify the smaller rarer size, so I am assuming they are 2.5 inch like most laptops

but regardless, email them:

http://www.msi.com/about/contact-us

put your part number in there, and the drive you want, and ask them.

when it comes to paying high prices for performance, it doesn't hurt to verify.

Thank you again !
That laptop comes with Super RAID with 2 SSD RAID0 and 1 TB HDD . I do not really know what they actually mean but I think they provide fast write/read speeds? I just would like to know if those 2 SSDs are worth keeping or replacing them with the 850 PRO is better? Also not sure if the 2 SSDs themselves could be replaced with the Samsung PRO because they seem to be slim ones so my best bet will be replacing the HDD one?
Sorry for asking a lot just want to have a good idea about it.

 

[God-Squad-Geek]

there are slim line versions of the drives, I think the EVO is one, but not sure, would need the size of the disk on your laptop, hence the reason why I gave an email in my last comment to contact them and ask them.

but I would definitely go with Samsung, just hook it in RAID versus stand alone:
https://www.samsung.com/us/computer/solid-state-drives

but then again, this is the first time I heard of RAID. I just looked it up right now, and it seems it's fast because each drive's travel is half the time, so basically the drive set up is 2X as fast as 1 drive. but the problem is that there are no fault protection is RAID setups. They recommend not a RAID0, but a RAID1+0 (but that requires 4 drives apparently). A RAID1 is a duplicate application on a mirror drive, but not any faster, a RAID0 is faster, but no redundancy, resulting in more loss in a crash. So RAID1+0 is the best of both worlds, but again you would need 4 drives.

anyway, there is more on it here:

RAID-0 alternates data on two (or more) drives to double (or more) the speed of read access. But this speed comes at the cost of a HIGHER risk of losing your data since if either drive fails, all your data is lost.

RAID-1 mirrors your data by writing a copy on both drives which results in a LOWER risk of losing your data, but it doesn't usually read any faster.

If you have 4 drives, then you can get the best of both worlds by using RAID-10 which is really RAID 1+0, ora mirrored data set (RAID 1) which is then striped (RAID 0).


anyway, I would still use the Samsung in any format spoken of above, as far as how to set that up, well I would not know, I am no gamer.

but the 1TB HDD is good for storage, I would keep that for pictures, videos, documents etc. And us the SDD's for your engines, games and OP.

but regardless this thread is showing asking similar questions about the 850 pro and using it in raid. I am not sure if his is a slim, a laptop, or a desktop.

but there is more info here:
https://serverfault.com/questions/678071/what-are-the-pros-cons-of-4xssd512gig-in-a-raid10-vs-2xssd1tb-no-raid

 

[LordConrad]

I have been recommending the Samsung 850 EVO as it rates the best in price/capacity/performance. It comes with a 5-year warranty, which is longer than the 2-3 years offered with most other drives. If you're willing to spend a bit more, the 850 Pro is a bit faster and comes with a full 10-year warranty.

 

[legendkiller2]

Thank you guys. As I said money is not a problem but seeing as the 2 SSDs that come with that MSI laptop are slim ones it won't be possible to replace them with the Samsung pro right? I was thinking about keeping them then and replacing the HDD with a 1 TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD. What do you think?

 

[LordConrad]

Thank you guys. As I said money is not a problem but seeing as the 2 SSDs that come with that MSI laptop are slim ones it won't be possible to replace them with the Samsung pro right? I was thinking about keeping them then and replacing the HDD with a 1 TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD. What do you think?

Unless you need a lot of super fast storage, I would stay with the SSD+HDD setup. Keep your OS and important software on the SSD, and put everything else on the HDD. You won't notice much speed difference by putting games, documents, and media files on an SSD.

 

[legendkiller2]

Thank you guys. As I said money is not a problem but seeing as the 2 SSDs that come with that MSI laptop are slim ones it won't be possible to replace them with the Samsung pro right? I was thinking about keeping them then and replacing the HDD with a 1 TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD. What do you think?

Unless you need a lot of super fast storage, I would stay with the SSD+HDD setup. Keep your OS and important software on the SSD, and put everything else on the HDD. You won't notice much speed difference by putting games, documents, and media files on an SSD.

Thanks man, I am planning to get the Samsung 850 PRO to replace the HDD, is it the best SSD out there or is there any better? Also which SSD is better M.2 or mSATA? I don't really know the major difference between them .
Thanks again!

 

[LordConrad]

Thanks man, I am planning to get the Samsung 850 PRO to replace the HDD, is it the best SSD out there or is there any better? Also which SSD is better M.2 or mSATA? I don't really know the major difference between them .
Thanks again!

M.2 drives can be designed to use PCIe or SATA. M.2 is better IF you get one that uses PCIe. Most consumer M.2 drives use SATA which is no faster than mSATA drives.