[SOLVED] Advice on 12400f build (for immediate purchase!)

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I already have the GPU and case (case would not have been my first pick today).

The goal is to have a fast, stable, low temp, quiet machine for 1080p gaming (possibly upgrading to a higher res down the road). Also used for working in multiple browser tabs and Office programs and other programs like Stata and R, but nothing super computationally intensive.

In addition to part advice, I'd welcome any feedback about potential compatibility issues as I'm not an expert. Looks like there will at least be some back plate adjustments necessary in order to use most CPU coolers with the LGA 1700 socket, right?

I'd like to keep the price about where it is now, or lower if possible. That said, if a part is really hamstringing the build, I'd be open to learning about alternative options, even if slightly more expensive.

Thank you!

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor | $184.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler | ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler | $49.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus PRIME B660-PLUS D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $139.99 @ Newegg
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $60.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $199.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | XFX Radeon RX 470 4 GB Triple Dissipation Video Card | Purchased For $0.00
Case | Cooler Master MB600L ODD ATX Mid Tower Case | Purchased For $0.00
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $59.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan | Noctua P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan | $13.90 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Noctua P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan | $13.90 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $743.74
| Mail-in rebates | -$20.00
| Total | $723.74
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-02-17 18:25 EST-0500 |
 
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Karadjgne
You have a Rx470. That said, I'd not go with the 12400F but with the 12400, I'd opt to have the igpu, just in case. The F squ cpus are basically a standard cpu where one of two things has happened. Either the igpu has failed or doesn't pass standards, or Intel has intentionally burned the access in order to meet squ demands. Either way, it's cheap insurance. I see far too many postings titled 'no display output, can't get to bios' etc.

Otherwise, the build is fine as is.
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Amazon data page on that cooler says it is compatible with 1700 socket as is, no additional purchase required.

I'd probably try to confirm that at Arctic site directly to avoid confusion.

I'd try to get multiple reviews of that motherboard. It's quite new, so not sure how many you can find.

Is that memory on the motherboard QVL list?

Try to get comments on that PSU. I'm not familiar with it.

You might consider 2 SSDs. One smallish for Windows and apps; one larger for data and/or backup. Just a personal preference option. The 970 Evo Plus is a good choice.
 
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You have a Rx470. That said, I'd not go with the 12400F but with the 12400, I'd opt to have the igpu, just in case. The F squ cpus are basically a standard cpu where one of two things has happened. Either the igpu has failed or doesn't pass standards, or Intel has intentionally burned the access in order to meet squ demands. Either way, it's cheap insurance. I see far too many postings titled 'no display output, can't get to bios' etc.

Otherwise, the build is fine as is.
 
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Appreciate the advice and reassurance that I'm on the right track here! Thank you!


Amazon data page on that cooler says it is compatible with 1700 socket as is, no additional purchase required.
I'd probably try to confirm that at Arctic site directly to avoid confusion.
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Will do. I actually see a "bundle" that includes the bracket for sure, and is $5 cheaper than the one I linked to.

I'd try to get multiple reviews of that motherboard. It's quite new, so not sure how many you can find.
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Yeah, these are brand new. I see a few good reviews on Amazon and NEWEGG, and one bad. I am aware of some issues with this and other B660 boards around XMPs with RAM. That's why I confirmed the RAM is on the QVL (your next item, thanks!), and I picked 3200 speed because I think the most common issue is with 3600 speed ram.

Does anyone think it would really provide a tangible benefit to maybe try a different B660 board (like Gigabyte or MSI) and go for 3600 RAM? Seems not worth the potential issues to me, but I'm new to the idea of XMPs in general.

Is that memory on the motherboard QVL list?
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Yep! Thanks!

Try to get comments on that PSU. I'm not familiar with it.
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It's decently-reviewed on NEWEGG (85% 4-5 starts, with 185 ratings) and super well-reviewed on Amazon (95% 4-5 stars with 9,500 ratings). My current aging rig has an old Corsair PSU that's been working perfectly for 10ish years. This would be my first forray into fully modular, but this case has a PSU cover/shroud that I suspect will get crowded if it's not modular. I'll probably stick with this unless anyone knows of a reason to avoid this one. I think it's a good deal (mail-in rebate annoyances pending).

You might consider 2 SSDs. One smallish for Windows and apps; one larger for data and/or backup. Just a personal preference option. The 970 Evo Plus is a good choice.
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Thanks! Any downside to just having one SSD for the drive AND apps/storage? I have two separate now, and it's great. But sometimes it can get annoying to remember what's on which drive, haha. This might be a little "splurge" for convenience, unless I'm making a big mistake here and someone can point it out!


Finally, I have a (super old) backup GPU I can use in a pinch, so I think I'll stick with the $180 12400f and contribute the "savings" towards my 2 TB SSD folly. Ah compounded errors. Still, if this is the worst thing I do, I'll be happy with it, haha!
 
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g-unit1111 said:
Don't get that Arctic Cooler. Buy pretty much anything from Noctua instead - they may be a bit more expensive but they are much better purchases and you also get better thermal compound included.
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Funny you should mention that! I actually had a Noctua in my original build, but someone steered me to the Arctic eSports DUO after seeing this review.

I also think I have some Arctic Silver 5 paste around somewhere, which is a super well-regarded paste. For cooling I'm mostly interested in an affordable, reliable, and quiet solution.

Anyone have insight on case fans as well? I need 2, and, again, I was talked out of some $13 Noctua P12 redux-1700 PWM fans for some $8 ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm fans.

Thanks!
 
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evanxcs said:
I already have the GPU and case (case would not have been my first pick today).

The goal is to have a fast, stable, low temp, quiet machine for 1080p gaming (possibly upgrading to a higher res down the road). Also used for working in multiple browser tabs and Office programs and other programs like Stata and R, but nothing super computationally intensive.

In addition to part advice, I'd welcome any feedback about potential compatibility issues as I'm not an expert. Looks like there will at least be some back plate adjustments necessary in order to use most CPU coolers with the LGA 1700 socket, right?

I'd like to keep the price about where it is now, or lower if possible. That said, if a part is really hamstringing the build, I'd be open to learning about alternative options, even if slightly more expensive.

Thank you!

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor | $184.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler | ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler | $49.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus PRIME B660-PLUS D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $139.99 @ Newegg
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $60.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $199.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | XFX Radeon RX 470 4 GB Triple Dissipation Video Card | Purchased For $0.00
Case | Cooler Master MB600L ODD ATX Mid Tower Case | Purchased For $0.00
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $59.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan | Noctua P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan | $13.90 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Noctua P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan | $13.90 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $743.74
| Mail-in rebates | -$20.00
| Total | $723.74
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-02-17 18:25 EST-0500 |
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Nice build ^^
 
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evanxcs said:
Does anyone think it would really provide a tangible benefit to maybe try a different B660 board (like Gigabyte or MSI) and go for 3600 RAM? Seems not worth the potential issues to me, but I'm new to the idea of XMPs in general.

Any downside to just having one SSD for the drive AND apps/storage? I have two separate now, and it's great. But sometimes it can get annoying to remember what's on which drive, haha. This might be a little "splurge" for convenience, unless I'm making a big mistake here and someone can point it out!
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I may rebuild myself and am considering Gigabyte B660 Aorus Pro DDR 4 versions. I think it is also available in micro ATX form as B660M Aorus Pro DDR 4.

But reviews are few and there is always the crapshoot quality control issue.

"Tangible" benefit from 3600 RAM? I doubt it.

I keep telling myself to calm down and wait for DDR 5 to get cheaper and then get that version.

I like 2 SSDs mainly as it simplifies my backup routines and because I can replace the smaller OS/apps drive for less money as newer generation stuff hits the market. I add data on my bigger 2TB data drive at the rate of maybe 50 GB a year, so I would almost never have to replace it unless it fails outright. But it's really not a big deal. Do what you are comfortable with.
 
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Years ago, we had AT cases, huge monstrosities where you lifted off the entire top and side panels as a single unit after unscrewing the front and back. Those cases typically had a single fan high rear for exhaust and no other cooling except some venting in the right side. Nobody cared about cpu cooling much, as long as it didn't overheat, you were good.

So pastes were hard to come by, very expensive , and ppl didn't really understand their function, and other than a select few water cooling ppl, pc cooling was a serious afterthought.

Arctic changed all that with the AS5. Before, a tiny 1-3 use tube would run $20-$30. Arctic dropped a 5 use tube for $6. Within months, everybody was ranting and raving about temps going down (most were reusing old paste to save $) and it was cheap and available. AS5 became a household brand name, everyone used it. And still do, because it's recognised.

Doesn't make it all that great, it's mediocre at best, and since it's a drying paste, one small bump after it hardens breaks the seal and requires a repaste. So careful cleaning the tower after 200ish heat cycles.

It's an OK paste, I'm not really a fan of it, but it does the job.
 
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Lafong said:
Amazon data page on that cooler says it is compatible with 1700 socket as is, no additional purchase required.

I'd probably try to confirm that at Arctic site directly to avoid confusion.

I'd try to get multiple reviews of that motherboard. It's quite new, so not sure how many you can find.

Is that memory on the motherboard QVL list?

Try to get comments on that PSU. I'm not familiar with it.

You might consider 2 SSDs. One smallish for Windows and apps; one larger for data and/or backup. Just a personal preference option. The 970 Evo Plus is a good choice.
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I can definitely pitch in here. The motherboard is great. I have no problems with it so far. Tho it isn't as appealing as an rog. I have the 2tb 970 evo and its blazing fast. I swear it loads stuff before I even click. I do have a 120gb SSD that have windows and any drivers and stuff on. I think its nice to have it separate too. I had the same ram except 2x16 and it worked fine I just changed for RGB.
 
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evanxcs said:
I already have the GPU and case (case would not have been my first pick today).

The goal is to have a fast, stable, low temp, quiet machine for 1080p gaming (possibly upgrading to a higher res down the road). Also used for working in multiple browser tabs and Office programs and other programs like Stata and R, but nothing super computationally intensive.

In addition to part advice, I'd welcome any feedback about potential compatibility issues as I'm not an expert. Looks like there will at least be some back plate adjustments necessary in order to use most CPU coolers with the LGA 1700 socket, right?

I'd like to keep the price about where it is now, or lower if possible. That said, if a part is really hamstringing the build, I'd be open to learning about alternative options, even if slightly more expensive.

Thank you!

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor | $184.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler | ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler | $49.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus PRIME B660-PLUS D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $139.99 @ Newegg
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $60.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $199.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | XFX Radeon RX 470 4 GB Triple Dissipation Video Card | Purchased For $0.00
Case | Cooler Master MB600L ODD ATX Mid Tower Case | Purchased For $0.00
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $59.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan | Noctua P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan | $13.90 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Noctua P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan | $13.90 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $743.74
| Mail-in rebates | -$20.00
| Total | $723.74
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-02-17 18:25 EST-0500 |
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Here's a another board for you to have look at. It has slightly better VRM's. btw I'd look at a set of RAM with lower profile heat spreaders so it doesn't conflict with whatever cpu cooler you decide to go with.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144531
MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 $139.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B660M-A-DDR4
 
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Karadjgne said:
Years ago, we had AT cases, huge monstrosities where you lifted off the entire top and side panels as a single unit after unscrewing the front and back. Those cases typically had a single fan high rear for exhaust and no other cooling except some venting in the right side. Nobody cared about cpu cooling much, as long as it didn't overheat, you were good.

So pastes were hard to come by, very expensive , and ppl didn't really understand their function, and other than a select few water cooling ppl, pc cooling was a serious afterthought.

Arctic changed all that with the AS5. Before, a tiny 1-3 use tube would run $20-$30. Arctic dropped a 5 use tube for $6. Within months, everybody was ranting and raving about temps going down (most were reusing old paste to save $) and it was cheap and available. AS5 became a household brand name, everyone used it. And still do, because it's recognised.

Doesn't make it all that great, it's mediocre at best, and since it's a drying paste, one small bump after it hardens breaks the seal and requires a repaste. So careful cleaning the tower after 200ish heat cycles.

It's an OK paste, I'm not really a fan of it, but it does the job.
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Interesting! Any recommendation for a better paste that doesn't have the drying issue you mention?
 
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Here's a another board for you to have look at. It has slightly better VRM's. btw I'd look at a set of RAM with lower profile heat spreaders so it doesn't conflict with whatever cpu cooler you decide to go with.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144531
MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 $139.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B660M-A-DDR4
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Seems like a great board. I was leaning towards ATX form factor, but mostly so I'd have more room to maneuver (again not an expert builder here). Is there a downside to micro (besides the aforementioned tight maneuvering while building)?

PS: The Arctic eSports DUO says "unlimited RAM clearance". I think that means the double fans don't overhang at all, so it shouldn't interfere with RAM (except I'd guess in really weird or cramped mobo layouts). Still good to be aware of the issue, so thanks!
 
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Seems like a great board. I was leaning towards ATX form factor, but mostly so I'd have more room to maneuver (again not an expert builder here). Is there a downside to micro (besides the aforementioned tight maneuvering while building)?

PS: The Arctic eSports DUO says "unlimited RAM clearance". I think that means the double fans don't overhang at all, so it shouldn't interfere with RAM (except I'd guess in really weird or cramped mobo layouts). Still good to be aware of the issue, so thanks!
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The only advantage an ATX has over a mATX is an extra PCI slot that less than 10% of PC owners ever use.
 
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