After big research i cant find nothing !!!

[Loulis Feminatus]

I have made a lot of research about amd fx-8350 and i5-4670k but i still cant understand which is better for gaming...it is said that the new games are about to use multi-core...that means that 8350 is going to be one of the best cpus for gaming??? the new broadwell?? HELP MEEEE !!!! 😛 😛

 

[Daniel Sudakov]

Yup, the 770 will handle all 1080p games for a good amount years!

 

[revanchrist]

I have the option in 2 years to upgrade. You won't with your AMD CPU. Have fun with your APUs.

I see, so now you are trying to go personal instead of staying on the topic. Unforetunately i'm very happy with my current rig with a i5-4670k + r9 270x. It's just that i can't stand people spreading wrong information to mislead people. I can now see that you are a fan of Intel but still you shouldn't make false accusation on AMD.

AM3+ is a dead socket and Kaveri was a joke. There is no false info there. AMD isn't releasing a high end desktop chip till, at least, Excavator, which is 2015. Excavator, from what I have understood, will be a new socket and possibly ddr4. Buying an FX 8350, you already are getting the best you really are going to get from AM3+. FX 9xxx are a total waste of $$$. FX 8320/8350 are decent chips, but the platform is a dead end. I have 2, FX 8320's myself. I really couldn't turn down Microcenter's $100 deal on them.

You sir is another guy who can't really see anything out of the picture, right?
1st like me clarify things here. Assuming you are going to buy a Haswell i5 4670k today and pair up with a z87 motherboard. Half a year later, you want to upgrade, you are looking at the market again, there are all these new Broadwell cpus but unfortunately when you buy a Broadwell you have to buy a new motherboard because your current z87 motherboard is not compatible, you'll need either z97 or h97. Then half a year later again, you want to upgrade again. You are now looking at new Skylake line of cpus. Again, you motherboard is not compatible, because you'll need a socket lga 1151 motherboard. And yes, buying new cpu+motherboard again. And one year after that, whether the Skylake Refresh or Skylake-E line of cpus need a new motherboard or compatible with 1st gen Skylake is something no one know yet. The same goes with AMD, for now probably. If you are picking a FX 8320 or 8350 now, one year later when you do your upgrade, no matter you are choosing AMD (if they do come out with a fx line of new cpus) or Intel, you'll have to pay full money on new cpu + new motherboard because your current motherboard will be incompatible. Now do you see it? There is no upgradability or so called upgrade path no matter what you buy now. It is dead-end on both camp! You have to buy new motherboard no matter what. You can see things from a much wider perspective when you stay neutral and not picking sides. The conclusion is just like what Daniel Sudakov said, choose the best cpu option for youself and not looking into so called future upgrade path because there is no such thing.

 

[Loulis Feminatus]

almost in a month i 'll take i5-4670k with z97

 

[revanchrist]

almost in a month i 'll take i5-4670k with z97

Since you'll be waiting for one month and getting z97, then you can even consider the new i5-4690k which supposingly gives better overclocking capability due to appliance of a better TIM between IHS and CPU die. Though it is priced at $250 (same price tag with i5 4670k a year ago during launch) which is more expensive than current 4670k's pricing of $235. It will be launched together with other K-series Haswell Refreshs on 2nd of June.

 

[Loulis Feminatus]

ok i will see...at 2nd of june both usa nd europe?

 

[logainofhades]

I have not seen anything official that Z97 is going to be required for devil's canyon or broadwell. Until then, Z87 isn't dead. Z97 should be what Z77 was to P67/Z68, if Intel keeps to their previous trend.

 

[JOOK-D]

From what I've seen, Devil's Canyon will run on Z87 and Z97. Broadwell however may be limited to Z97 (I believe they're shrinking to 14nm which wouldnt be supported by current Z87 boards?). Skylake will follow in 2015 on the 100 series boards.

In any case, if I were the OP, I'd get a Z97 board released in a week or so and then an i5 4670k, or if they can wait get an i5 4690k.

 

[Mac266]

I have not seen anything official that Z97 is going to be required for devil's canyon or broadwell. Until then, Z87 isn't dead. Z97 should be what Z77 was to P67/Z68, if Intel keeps to their previous trend.

actually, he is right, in most of the articles it says that devils canyon (haswell refresh with 'k's!) and broadwell would only be supported on z97. sorry mate

(edit: ive had another look, and apparently mobo makers are saying that DC is supported, while intel says only for z97 D

 

[enemy1g]

I have the option in 2 years to upgrade. You won't with your AMD CPU. Have fun with your APUs.

I see, so now you are trying to go personal instead of staying on the topic. Unforetunately i'm very happy with my current rig with a i5-4670k + r9 270x. It's just that i can't stand people spreading wrong information to mislead people. I can now see that you are a fan of Intel but still you shouldn't make false accusation on AMD.

AM3+ is a dead socket and Kaveri was a joke. There is no false info there. AMD isn't releasing a high end desktop chip till, at least, Excavator, which is 2015. Excavator, from what I have understood, will be a new socket and possibly ddr4. Buying an FX 8350, you already are getting the best you really are going to get from AM3+. FX 9xxx are a total waste of $$$. FX 8320/8350 are decent chips, but the platform is a dead end. I have 2, FX 8320's myself. I really couldn't turn down Microcenter's $100 deal on them.

You sir is another guy who can't really see anything out of the picture, right?
1st like me clarify things here. Assuming you are going to buy a Haswell i5 4670k today and pair up with a z87 motherboard. Half a year later, you want to upgrade, you are looking at the market again, there are all these new Broadwell cpus but unfortunately when you buy a Broadwell you have to buy a new motherboard because your current z87 motherboard is not compatible, you'll need either z97 or h97. Then half a year later again, you want to upgrade again. You are now looking at new Skylake line of cpus. Again, you motherboard is not compatible, because you'll need a socket lga 1151 motherboard. And yes, buying new cpu+motherboard again. And one year after that, whether the Skylake Refresh or Skylake-E line of cpus need a new motherboard or compatible with 1st gen Skylake is something no one know yet. The same goes with AMD, for now probably. If you are picking a FX 8320 or 8350 now, one year later when you do your upgrade, no matter you are choosing AMD (if they do come out with a fx line of new cpus) or Intel, you'll have to pay full money on new cpu + new motherboard because your current motherboard will be incompatible. Now do you see it? There is no upgradability or so called upgrade path no matter what you buy now. It is dead-end on both camp! You have to buy new motherboard no matter what. You can see things from a much wider perspective when you stay neutral and not picking sides. The conclusion is just like what Daniel Sudakov said, choose the best cpu option for youself and not looking into so called future upgrade path because there is no such thing.

If you pick a 8350 and want to upgrade half a year later, guess what, you can't.

And seriously, unless you're talking aobut the extremely wealthy, no one is going to upgrade from literally the top tier CPU in half a year, and continue that trend.

If you pick a 8350 and want to upgrade in ~2 years, you're probably looking at getting an APU.

And obviously, Intel will keep producing i5s, so you have that option in ~2 years.


Seriously though, who the hell upgrades every half year? Get out of this thread already.

 

[revanchrist]

I have the option in 2 years to upgrade. You won't with your AMD CPU. Have fun with your APUs.

I see, so now you are trying to go personal instead of staying on the topic. Unforetunately i'm very happy with my current rig with a i5-4670k + r9 270x. It's just that i can't stand people spreading wrong information to mislead people. I can now see that you are a fan of Intel but still you shouldn't make false accusation on AMD.

AM3+ is a dead socket and Kaveri was a joke. There is no false info there. AMD isn't releasing a high end desktop chip till, at least, Excavator, which is 2015. Excavator, from what I have understood, will be a new socket and possibly ddr4. Buying an FX 8350, you already are getting the best you really are going to get from AM3+. FX 9xxx are a total waste of $$$. FX 8320/8350 are decent chips, but the platform is a dead end. I have 2, FX 8320's myself. I really couldn't turn down Microcenter's $100 deal on them.

You sir is another guy who can't really see anything out of the picture, right?
1st like me clarify things here. Assuming you are going to buy a Haswell i5 4670k today and pair up with a z87 motherboard. Half a year later, you want to upgrade, you are looking at the market again, there are all these new Broadwell cpus but unfortunately when you buy a Broadwell you have to buy a new motherboard because your current z87 motherboard is not compatible, you'll need either z97 or h97. Then half a year later again, you want to upgrade again. You are now looking at new Skylake line of cpus. Again, you motherboard is not compatible, because you'll need a socket lga 1151 motherboard. And yes, buying new cpu+motherboard again. And one year after that, whether the Skylake Refresh or Skylake-E line of cpus need a new motherboard or compatible with 1st gen Skylake is something no one know yet. The same goes with AMD, for now probably. If you are picking a FX 8320 or 8350 now, one year later when you do your upgrade, no matter you are choosing AMD (if they do come out with a fx line of new cpus) or Intel, you'll have to pay full money on new cpu + new motherboard because your current motherboard will be incompatible. Now do you see it? There is no upgradability or so called upgrade path no matter what you buy now. It is dead-end on both camp! You have to buy new motherboard no matter what. You can see things from a much wider perspective when you stay neutral and not picking sides. The conclusion is just like what Daniel Sudakov said, choose the best cpu option for youself and not looking into so called future upgrade path because there is no such thing.

If you pick a 8350 and want to upgrade half a year later, guess what, you can't.

And seriously, unless you're talking aobut the extremely wealthy, no one is going to upgrade from literally the top tier CPU in half a year, and continue that trend.

If you pick a 8350 and want to upgrade in ~2 years, you're probably looking at getting an APU.

And obviously, Intel will keep producing i5s, so you have that option in ~2 years.


Seriously though, who the hell upgrades every half year? Get out of this thread already.

I see that you are seriously out of your mind now. The point i'm making is starting now almost every generation of new CPU from Intel is incompatible with motherboard from previous generation. Which means there is nothing so call upgradability! You are going to buy whole new cpu and motherboard when you want to "upgrade". And what the hell makes you think people who use AMD have to use AMD all the way for the whole life and Intel user have to go all the way Intel.

Your line of "If you pick a 8350 and want to upgrade half a year later, guess what, you can't." is horrendously stupid! Let me make this clear,

Case no. 1:
IF you pick an Intel CPU + motherboard now, a few years later (or whatever time you wish) when you want to "upgrade", you have to buy a new CPU and a new motherboard (no matter you choose Intel or AMD this time) because the motherboard will be incompatible.

Case no. 2:
IF you pick an AMD CPU + motherboard now, a few years later (or whatever time you wish) when you want to "upgrade", you have to buy a new CPU and a new motherboard (no matter you choose Intel or AMD this time) because the motherboard will be incompatible.

Conclusion: Whether you choose Intel or AMD cpu now, later when you "upgrade" your computer, and no matter you are choosing Intel or AMD during this new "upgrade", you have to buy a new CPU and a new motherboard. So what is your so call "UPGRADABILITY" by choosing Intel? I see nothing as upgrade. When you only need to buy a CPU and can still use your old motherboard, it is called an upgrade. BUT when you need to buy both anew, it is a whole new purchase. That is not an upgrade because nothing from you Intel relevant parts get preserved in your new rig. In that case, what is the difference between purchasing new AMD or new Intel?

 

[revanchrist]

Alright, let's do it a simple way. On 7th of May 2014, two person Mr A and Mr B buy a new computer each.

Mr A purchase an Intel I5 4670k and a Z87 motherboard. He pays let's say $300.

Mr B purchase an AMD FX 8320 and a 990FX motherboard. He pays $250.

One year later (or two years later as you like), AMD is now bankrupt and out of the CPU business. Mr A and Mr B want to upgrade their computer.

Mr A purchase a Skylake I5 4695K and a Z100 motherboard for $300 (no he cannot use his old Z87 because it is incompatible with the new gen CPU).

Mr B purchase a Skylake I5 4695K and a Z100 motherboard for $300 (no he cannot use his old 990FX because it is damn straight incompatible).

So do you see the picture clearly now? Upgradability on Intel path? Lol!

 

[logainofhades]

P67 and Z68 boards supported Ivy with a bios update, so there is precedent that DC and broadwell will possibly be usable in Z87 as well as Z97.

 

[revanchrist]

P67 and Z68 boards supported Ivy with a bios update, so there is precedent that DC and broadwell will possibly be usable in Z87 as well as Z97.

Though Intel make it clear that Broadwell is for 9-series motherboard only but no one can't rule out the possibility of your assumption. But still that is only true for this year's Broadwell. BIOS update can't save your motherboard when there's a socket change between Broadwell and Skylake, from LGA 1150 to LGA 1151. So no it's incompatible again.

 

[logainofhades]

Well Skylake is a new arch. Broadwell is to Haswell what Ivy was to Sandy. In the tick tock strategy, Sandy was the tick and Ivy was the tock. Haswell is the tick, and Broadwell will be the tock. Skylake, is the new tick.

 

[enemy1g]

"I shouldn't have said dead-end socket, as the 1150 socket (Haswell) is also dead-end. I should have phrased it as, dead-end CPU. As you literally have no AMD CPU in the foreseeable future."

From literally like my second post.

Apparently you're having trouble reading. Afterthefact I didn't argue about whether or not you could use Broadwell/Skylake on a Z87, in fact, I never even mentioned using either Broadwell/Skylake on a Z87. YOU brought it up.

It really boils down to three people and product loyalty.

AMD consumers will generally stick with AMD due to them being completely content with what they have.

People fed up with the inadequate performance that their AMD CPU is offerering, and switch to Intel with much enjoyment.

And Intel consumers, who will continue to buy the tried and true i5, of which has always been a top tier CPU, will stick with their Intel CPUs.

And what I've been saying is that the majority of AMD owners have no CPU to upgrade to unless they want an APU. Plain and simple for you. And again, just in case you missed it: product loyalty. People stick to what they know, and what is good enough for them until something pushes them to switch. I'm not saying that all AMD owners will switch to Intel once their 8350s aren't keeping up. They can if they want to, and if AMD continues to push into the mobile market and APUs instead of releasing a high-end CPU, then AMD owners likely won't have any other choice than to switch to Intel.

 

[logainofhades]

I have 2, i5's, 2400 and 3570k, and two FX 8320's, so where does that put me? :lol: Actually 3, i5's if you want to include my laptop, a 2430m. 😛

 

[Loulis Feminatus]

we have any thoughts of the price of ? i54690k ?

 

[Heroesneverquit]

And what I've been saying is that the majority of AMD owners have no CPU to upgrade to unless they want an APU. Plain and simple for you. And again, just in case you missed it: product loyalty. People stick to what they know, and what is good enough for them until something pushes them to switch. I'm not saying that all AMD owners will switch to Intel once their 8350s aren't keeping up. They can if they want to, and if AMD continues to push into the mobile market and APUs instead of releasing a high-end CPU, then AMD owners likely won't have any other choice than to switch to Intel.

So here is a very large issue with that whole post. You talk about high-end cpus. You do realize that Intel does not make high end CPU's correct?

i5 4670k is an APU
i7 4770k is an APU

From what I understand every processer that intel makes now aside from the atom processer's are APU. AMD making the swap from CPU's to APU's is not really a large issue at all. It may actually put them back in the game.

 

[logainofhades]

AMD's IGP is still superior to Intel's though.

 

[Heroesneverquit]

AMD's IGP is still superior to Intel's though.

Thats the consesus. So if they actually improve there cpu architecture they may actually have a decent chip on there hands. Thats besides the point though. Both current sockets are going obsolete so...

 

[enemy1g]

And what I've been saying is that the majority of AMD owners have no CPU to upgrade to unless they want an APU. Plain and simple for you. And again, just in case you missed it: product loyalty. People stick to what they know, and what is good enough for them until something pushes them to switch. I'm not saying that all AMD owners will switch to Intel once their 8350s aren't keeping up. They can if they want to, and if AMD continues to push into the mobile market and APUs instead of releasing a high-end CPU, then AMD owners likely won't have any other choice than to switch to Intel.

So here is a very large issue with that whole post. You talk about high-end cpus. You do realize that Intel does not make high end CPU's correct?

i5 4670k is an APU
i7 4770k is an APU

From what I understand every processer that intel makes now aside from the atom processer's are APU. AMD making the swap from CPU's to APU's is not really a large issue at all. It may actually put them back in the game.

On technicalities, yes, you are correct (although Xeons are definitely up there, and don't have iGPUs). But a vast (probably closer to 100% actually) majority of the PC gaming community isn't going to buy an i5/i7 and not use a dedicated graphics card. If you buy a GTX 780 Ti and pair it with an i5-4670k: great performance. A10-7850K or any other of AMD's APUs with a GTX 780 Ti: much worse performance than an actual CPU. It's like buying a sports car, but keeping the car in 6th gear once you get the car rolling to save gas; it makes no sense.

 

[Heroesneverquit]

Supposedly the a10 running crossfire with the r7 will run just as well as the gtx 660. Not to mention its hell of a lot cheaper. Theres a bigger issue in your comparison though. The people buying an A10 are not going to be buying a 780 Ti. People buying AMD in general are not buying a 780 Ti unless they are running the FX 8350. Now if you want to compare the 8350 to i5 then fine. Comparing the a10 to the i5 though is just not really a fair comparison.

The crossfire is a different debate for a different day though. You can not really compare an i5 to an a10 unless your using the IGP on them. I wouldnt buy an A10 unless I was using the IGP. I would just go for the 8350.

 

[Mac266]

Supposedly the a10 running crossfire with the r7 will run just as well as the gtx 660. Not to mention its hell of a lot cheaper. Theres a bigger issue in your comparison though. The people buying an A10 are not going to be buying a 780 Ti. People buying AMD in general are not buying a 780 Ti unless they are running the FX 8350. Now if you want to compare the 8350 to i5 then fine. Comparing the a10 to the i5 though is just not really a fair comparison.

The crossfire is a different debate for a different day though. You can not really compare an i5 to an a10 unless your using the IGP on them. I wouldnt buy an A10 unless I was using the IGP. I would just go for the 8350.

*facepalm. You were the one who said just a couple of posts back that the i5/i7's where APUs 😛

 

[Heroesneverquit]

They are indeed. If you want to compare a system with a dGPU its not going to have an a10 in it. When people buy a10s they are not going to be buying a dGPU.

Heres the issue. While they are both APU's you would not buy an a10 to use with a 780. You would buy an 8350.

 

[enemy1g]

Now you want to use the whole 8350 (CPU) thing here? I'm basing my response off of you pointing out the technicalities that an i5/i7 are APUs. An a10 is an APU. And so is whatever else AMD has coming out.

And there are a handful of people that have most likely bought a 780 Ti thinking it would run well with their AMD APU. Hell, there have been numerous posts on this very forum from APU owners asking if buying a 780/Ti, or a r9 290/x is a good idea, and have thusly been steered clear of that disaster before wasting their money.

The point is, the APUs that AMD has currently, and will be coming out will not compete with that of Intel's CPUs meant to be paired with dGPUs. Thusly, again, AMD owners have no way to continue their loyalty to AMD through processor upgrades unless they actually want to buy an underperforming APU (in comparison to an Intel CPU).