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This is one of the main reasons I am avoiding Vista like the plague. That and the fact that it sucks.

Its funny, my AIW 9800 pro doesn't handle the TV functions right in Ubuntu 6.10 without some additional packages and configuration (which I have NOT succeeded in doing yet). I wonder if it will be different for my x1900 AIW when I get around to installing it there?
 
This is one of the main reasons I am avoiding Vista like the plague. That and the fact that it sucks.
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Wish some of these "happy" peeps would post over on the "I love Vista" thread -- aka "Don't believe the hype, Use VISTA" -- (or to all the friends I made on the the "Magic Tune and Vista?" thread), so the Vole sycophants could see there really is no joy in Mudville. Keep up the good fight.

BTW hergieburbur, went away for the weekend, can't believe that USB Floppy thread is still going on. The ole' boy's gonna go out kickin'. Jeeez!
 
I've been b!tching about this issue for months, since I first tried RC1.

As for the USB fogey, what can I say, some people refuse to learn or accept progress. I wouldn't keep going at it with him, but its just soooo much fun exposing people like that. :twisted:
 
I've been b!tching about this issue for months, since I first tried RC1.

As for the USB fogey, what can I say, some people refuse to learn or accept progress. I wouldn't keep going at it with him, but its just soooo much fun exposing people like that.
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I've had almost the exact same experiences on both fronts. (Check out the moron that just "didn't get it" on that Magic Tune thread -- I wanted to quote your sig on one of his replies, but then realized the wisdom of your quote and begged off, less I be confused for the idiot. Now that I have realized the source, I've saved it for later. 8) ) We should start a thread on posters with bad attitudes -- funny how it's usually the ones with fewer than 50 posts. They're like people with some dreaded disease that don't want to face the reality, so they keep going to different doctors until they find the one that gives them the opinion they want to hear. "To hell with learning, I just want to hear what makes me happy." 8O Go figure.
 
I was thinking that to, but it would get locked in seconds.

I think a lot of those people that don't seem to get it are people that think since they've used computers for a while and visited a few tech sites, they are qualified as "experts". No offense to anyone, but there seem to be an awful lot of "experts" here.

Not sure I wanted to open that can of worms.
 
I was thinking that to, but it would get locked in seconds.

I think a lot of those people that don't seem to get it are people that think since they've used computers for a while and visited a few tech sites, they are qualified as "experts". No offense to anyone, but there seem to be an awful lot of "experts" here.

Not sure I wanted to open that can of worms.
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The Chinese have a saying that "one person can be very smart, but when you put three people together, you have a genius." The point, of course, being that regardless of expertise, a forum should be a place for the open sharing of ideas, and respect in their reception. If you don't like what you hear, a simple "thank you for your time and consideration," then move on would suffice. Admittedly, I immediately bristle when someone fires off, or makes presumptions about me without any background knowledge whatsoever, just because I expressed an opinion they didn't like. But then, I'm preaching to the choir. Maybe someone else will "hear." Have a good one! MM
 
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I have two problems related to this topic. First, I cannot get anything other than a server-generated reply from ATI to my e-mails asking when they will have a Vista compatible software upgrade to allow me to use the input/output functions of my two All in Wonder video cards. I downloaded their Vista driver upgrades. They work just fine, but I am mising all of the multimedia functions that ran under XP. I gather from the various posts that ATI does not plan to support AIW fucntions under Vista. It sounds like a breach of contract and the possible basis for a class action suit against them.

My second problem is that I cannot find any card or external device that will import 1080i HD video from my Hughes Direct TV DVR into my computer. I have a Pyro external breakout box that inputs into my computer through Firewire. It has component inputs, but they appear to be designed for 480 i or p, not HD. That is a great device, but I do not see any signs that they plan to manufacture a new model capable of capturing HD. Some of the professional video editing cards and devices appear to have the capability of importing HD video, but they are very expensvie.

I am not trying to do anything illegal. My Huges HD PVR is full now with HD content I have recorded off Direct TV. I need a way of moving it off the PVR and archiving it, in HD 1080i format, onto a 750 GB hard drive in my computer, so I can play these recordings back through the component or DVI inputs of my television (Sony XBR 40 inch HD CRT with DVI in but not HDMI).

I would apprecitate any leads or advice from your members.

Thanks,

Ron
 
The problem seems to be that in the past, ATI multimedia center was non indows Media Center compliant. In fact, it was proprietary and not a workable solution under Windows Media edition.
Obviously, this has caused great problems for ATI to get the old setup working under Vista. They very likely have to redo everything from scratch whereas Windows Media Center compliant vendors like Hauppauage do not.
 
I also have the same problem with tv capture on my ati aiw 9700 series after installing vista, and found this article after some searches on aol http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=3589. It is a dark time for aiw owner.
 
Let's face it. The computer industry is on the decline for developing innovative and full system solutions.
We have dual and quad core CPUs but have no OS or apps to support them.
Gigabit ethernet laying on 200kb/s ISPs.
Vista is a piece of junk. Clearly OSX should be on every desktop, but it's not because Apple fears it would affect their bottom line.

The industry is in entropy, and now consists of nothing but marketing and repackagers.
It is time for a paradigm shift.
 
I was looking around the web and found this.
http://review.zdnet.com/ATI_All_In_Wonder_X1900/4507-8902_16-31694542.html

It states
Vista Capability This video card has a TV tuner, and is capable of
supporting the multimedia capabilities of the Home
Premium and Ultimate versions of Windows Vista.

So where did they get the Vista Capability information? ATI? Good Guess?

Before I purchased the card under the ATI website it said that The following products support Windows Vista and the X1900 All-in-Wonder was listed and the little *Note was not on the website (* NOTE: ALL-IN-WONDER BOARDS OPERATE WITH AMD’S WINDOWS VISTA-READY DISPLAY DRIVERS UNDER THE WINDOWS VISTA OPERATING SYSTEM. HOWEVER THERE IS CURRENTLY NO SOFTWARE APPLICATION WHICH PROVIDES TV/CAPTURE FUNCTIONALITY FOR ALL-IN WONDER BOARDS UNDER WINDOWS VISTA)

Lets Stick it to "THE MAN" 😀
 
You are right. It is plain and simple "false" advertising. The AIW does support Vista, but only the video section of the card. AMD is such a messed up company, I don't think they will last as is throughout the year. LOL, I even tryed getting a WinTV to work in Vista but it won't see the Tuner of that either.
I think these computer companies have reached the end of the road for being innovative, and everything just goes down hill from here.
 
So how is what it says on ZDnet's false advertising on the part of AMD? AMDs website clearly says that AIWs currently don't work with Vista (one reason I won't use it) except for video rendering. This is due to a change in the way Vista handles services that locked out the MMC program, requiring a ground-up rewrite for a product that is being discontinued....

Seems pretty clear to me, even if it does really suck...
 
Yes, it says that in small print at the bottom. Most people come to me with these after they purchased them from a distributor who told them they'd be OK. Then the distributor dosn't want to take them back. It's an expensive scam like the Nigerian mail fraud except it's legal form AMD, MS, or Intel to scam you.

For video cards, save yourself some grief and buy NVIDIA.
 
Yes, it says that in small print at the bottom. Most people come to me with these after they purchased them from a distributor who told them they'd be OK. Then the distributor dosn't want to take them back. It's an expensive scam like the Nigerian mail fraud except it's legal form AMD, MS, or Intel to scam you.
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That's on the distributors, not the manufacturer

For video cards, save yourself some grief and buy NVIDIA.
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That statement has nothing to do with this topic, especially when people are trying to set up a class action lawsuit against NVidia for false advertising in relation to driver support of their 8800 Series in Vista...

Making such general and uninformed statements ruins your credibility. You should never say one company's products are always better than another...
 
No, manufacturers control distributors, not the other way around.
Product responsibility always ultimately falls to the manufacturer.
I'm not seeking your confidence. Why would I when there is nothing to be gained. This message is a freebie so that others might not experience the same.
 
I kinda have my all in wonder working in vista. I downloaded the RC0 drivers. and install them on a fresh install of Vista(NO ATI UPDATED DRIVER INSTALLED). Then used AMCap to watch TV. The only prob is that the DEMO version will not keep settings, and the aspect ratio is set to widescreen. You can strech it to fit on a non widescreen.

Hopefully ATI/AMD will get a good program to work with Vista. They said Mid 2007 but I hope it is real soon.
 
Good for you. I just spoke to a friend at AMD working on Fusion who tells me that AMD will never provide support for AIW with Vista. In fact, he says that AMD will obsolete all of the AIW series once Fusion is released. Good luck.
 
No, manufacturers control distributors, not the other way around.
Product responsibility always ultimately falls to the manufacturer.
I'm not seeking your confidence. Why would I when there is nothing to be gained. This message is a freebie so that others might not experience the same.
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You are wrong there though. I've work for and with resellers, and while there are things that are within the control of the manufacturer, ultimately, the distributor determines what they put in their own product listings. Otherwise they would all be the same.

You are free to claim you are providing a public service message, and you somewhat are, but you are also spreading FUD against AMD by claiming false advertising where none exists.

For the Record, its already been stated that the x1900 is the last AIW card and that is extremely unlikely it will ever get Vista support. One more reason I have no use for Vista.
 
I don not think that it is a reason not to go to Vista. I look at it in a way as to NEVER buy ATI again!

I have no problems with Vista. It’s all on ATI's shoulders. They should have created drivers for Vista. I see a lot of other Analog TV tuners that work in Vista. Its just ATI does not care for its Loyal Customers, like the ones that have owned three generations of the All-In-Wonder Line. Just because they have our money they do not care. If I would have known I would have never purchased it. Don’t get me wrong I love the card; it runs great in XP MCE. But I want to use Vista as my primary OS, not XP MCE, I want a dual boot (Vista/Linux) Not a Tri boot.

I understand that a company can’t support every product they sold on a new OS. I could understand if the product was 3-5 years old and the wont support it. But a card that was released just over one year ago? Come on! I have a old HP scanner and I understand that they didn’t make drivers because its over 4 years old. I am fine with that. I think its time for me to get a new scanner. Not a new TV tuner!

Just my $.02
 
I should start out by saying that this is far from my only reason for going to Vista. Lets not get into any kind of debate here on Vista, I'll just say that in my opinion it is inferior software.

I do understand where you are coming from, but I don't think its as simple as you think. At the bare minimum, both parties are at fault. The bad part is, neither will do anything to fix it.

The problem is not because ATI won't write drivers for the cards, as those are out. Plus, most other ATI tuners work OK in Vista. The problem lies in the way the MMC interfaces with the OS. The MMC interacts with Windows XP on the service level. That is no longer allowed in Vista. I think this problem is compounded by the fact that the AIW Tuner is accessed directly through the graphics interface. I believe thats why they can't just modify the existing TV Tuner softwareto work with AIW in Vista. At least thats my understanding. Its also my understanding that there are workarounds out there.

I think it sucks that we won't see Vista support for AIWs, but its not surprising. Its no trivial think to re-write the software from the ground up to work in Vista. Further, MS (and probably ATI), knew this would happen as a result of their new kernel, and weren't overly concerned with it. I think this is because ATI had already leaked that the x1900 series AIW would be the last one in the line, and that they would be discontinuing support at some point.

It sucks, but thats the way it is. And keep in mind, this is coming from someone that has owned several generations of AIW card, going back to the 7500 days.
 
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