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COVID-19 must be spreading asymptomatic in many more places than we know. I think it's going to go the way of the H1N1 pandemic and just become a nastier version of the yearly flu outbreak. I don't think governments are going to be able to contain COVID-19 at this point -- it's not getting stopped by quarantine efforts, and quarantines are not being enforced properly everywhere.

I think we're a week away from someone in an industry that doesn't provide sick leave showing symptoms and infecting a ton of people in a major US city -- specifically Seattle. There are lessons to be learned here, again, but leaders didn't learn them back with H1N1.
 
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bigdragon said:
COVID-19 must be spreading asymptomatic in many more places than we know. I think it's going to go the way of the H1N1 pandemic and just become a nastier version of the yearly flu outbreak. I don't think governments are going to be able to contain COVID-19 at this point -- it's not getting stopped by quarantine efforts, and quarantines are not being enforced properly everywhere.

I think we're a week away from someone in an industry that doesn't provide sick leave showing symptoms and infecting a ton of people in a major US city -- specifically Seattle. There are lessons to be learned here, again, but leaders didn't learn them back with H1N1.
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Yeah, seems like just a reinforcement of "we're gonna half-ass it because we were short-sighted and selfish" and then we have a huge problem.

This is not just at the job level, but clearly, at least in the US and China, on the government level. Either saving face, or justifying personal greed, were the altars upon which health-safety was sacrificed.


Or, to put it squarely on the typical attitude of too many of us in the US: "Heh, see? China doesn't have any of them pesky government regulations! Why can't we be the same?"

Be careful what you wish for...
 
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Seattle should bring back plastic grocery bags, they are way more resistant to carrying disease than the wet canvas and paper bags that everyone is forced to buy and carry around.

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I think we're a week away from someone in an industry that doesn't provide sick leave showing symptoms and infecting a ton of people in a major US city -- specifically Seattle. There are lessons to be learned here, again, but leaders didn't learn them back with H1N1.
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Seattle companies are usually pretty good about giving sick leave, but the city is behind the curve on adopting toxic Silicon Valley Techbro culture - so nobody who wants to keep their job will actually use that leave under any circumstances.
Also, the problems caused the city supporting densely-packed homeless encampments are real and dangerous.
 
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Seattle companies are usually pretty good about giving sick leave, but the city is behind the curve on adopting toxic Silicon Valley Techbro culture - so nobody who wants to keep their job will actually use that leave under any circumstances.
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I'm more concerned about the food service workers who don't get paid sick leave and can't take off work for just a cold. Every flu starts out seeming like just an annoying little cold. That one employee at the coffee shop, sub shop, or pizza place can infect a ton of people. Tech people with time off get their food from service workers who don't get time off. It's only a matter of time before the virus hits the weak link.
 
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bigdragon said:
I'm more concerned about the food service workers who don't get paid sick leave and can't take off work for just a cold. Every flu starts out seeming like just an annoying little cold. That one employee at the coffee shop, sub shop, or pizza place can infect a ton of people. Tech people with time off get their food from service workers who don't get time off. It's only a matter of time before the virus hits the weak link.
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Wait till it hits the homeless encampments. It will look like a field day in comparison.
 
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Amazon's stock took an unepected rise at the beginning of February ahead of the general market trend, and maintained a % growth that outpaced the market.

Wanna bet is going to happen next? No one is going to want to touch an amazon package.
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Folks in Amazon that they are referring to don't have anything to do with products being delivered and there are 10's of thousands of HQ employees here. There are far more than 1 that have it or have had it, they just haven't gotten blood tests. And none of them have anything to do with touching any of the products that you order either. Not that you are going to get it that way anyhow.
 
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bigdragon said:
COVID-19 must be spreading asymptomatic in many more places than we know. I think it's going to go the way of the H1N1 pandemic and just become a nastier version of the yearly flu outbreak. I don't think governments are going to be able to contain COVID-19 at this point -- it's not getting stopped by quarantine efforts, and quarantines are not being enforced properly everywhere.

I think we're a week away from someone in an industry that doesn't provide sick leave showing symptoms and infecting a ton of people in a major US city -- specifically Seattle. There are lessons to be learned here, again, but leaders didn't learn them back with H1N1.
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It is everywhere here, just few people go to get their blood tested to know if it is some other flu or cold, one due to cost (not fully covered for many/most) and because there is mixed messages from the gov here about whether you should get tested or simply stay home. But if you cough now some people <Mod Edit> themselves as they are panicked like it has some 100% death rate or something. Morons are buying out all the bottled water and toilet paper as though it is some sort of massive nuclear strike and the water doesn't flow anymore and they will have to crap in the woods.
As for companies, they the City of Seattle is sending people home for implying having a cough (that they have had for weeks/are no longer at all sick). There are trying to figure out how to cover the sick time if workers don't have any. Other places are shutting down or running light as well, not just tech sites (MSFT is shutting down part of campus too).
 
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Yeah, it's funny. Or sad, depending on how you look at it.

Masks sold out everywhere. Guess what, those masks don't keep you from getting sick. They keep YOU from getting everybody else sick. Waste of money unless you plan to be bouncing around in public after you know you have the virus. For anybody in your home, by the time you know you have it, you've already infected them anyhow, so it's pointless.

The water sold out everywhere, is more lameness. It's incredibly unlikely to the point of impossible, that we'd see water treatment centers and pumping stations get shut down from a virus outbreak, no matter how back it got, unless some unforeseen catastrophe occurred that caused a major power outage that was big enough to affect all of one or more of the three main power grids in the US, or if you are in one of the very few rare areas that has only local cooped power that isn't tied into one of the main grids. Otherwise, you'd need to see an R0 6 or higher infection rate with a very high 50% or more mortality before we'd even start thinking about whether utilities are going to start failing. Obviously that is only factoring virus, not other disasters such as EMP strike or some other natural bad day.

Not too sure honestly why they keep recommending the use of hand sanitizer on all the medical interviews etc. As you say, antibacterial doesn't do much against viruses. Regular soap and water, or bleach water, would seem to be just as good and less costly. Again, probably pointless.
 
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With the virus known to be spreading communally from possibly asymptomatic people:

Walk into your local big box store (name doesn't matter) during busy daylight hours , look around.

Odds of someone walking around with Covid-19 recently, or any random item on a shelf handled by someone with it? Probably greater than zero. Getting any package from any random internet order would appear to be the same as a random off the shelf purchase. Not sure why people would boycott one, and not the other.

In regards to masks, I saw someone with a beard wearing one. Absolutely pointless. N95 full protection requires fit-testing, and facial hair will generally generate an automatic fail on the seal.
 
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Yeah, it's funny. Or sad, depending on how you look at it.

Masks sold out everywhere. Guess what, those masks don't keep you from getting sick. They keep YOU from getting everybody else sick. Waste of money unless you plan to be bouncing around in public after you know you have the virus. For anybody in your home, by the time you know you have it, you've already infected them anyhow, so it's pointless.

The water sold out everywhere, is more lameness. It's incredibly unlikely to the point of impossible, that we'd see water treatment centers and pumping stations get shut down from a virus outbreak, no matter how back it got, unless some unforeseen catastrophe occurred that caused a major power outage that was big enough to affect all of one or more of the three main power grids in the US, or if you are in one of the very few rare areas that has only local cooped power that isn't tied into one of the main grids. Otherwise, you'd need to see an R0 6 or higher infection rate with a very high 50% or more mortality before we'd even start thinking about whether utilities are going to start failing. Obviously that is only factoring virus, not other disasters such as EMP strike or some other natural bad day.

Not too sure honestly why they keep recommending the use of hand sanitizer on all the medical interviews etc. As you say, antibacterial doesn't do much against viruses. Regular soap and water, or bleach water, would seem to be just as good and less costly. Again, probably pointless.
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Hand sanitizer is usually alchohol based which breaks down the protein sheath which protects the virus. Once the sheeth is gone, the virus falls apart quickly.
 
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Folks in Amazon that they are referring to don't have anything to do with products being delivered and there are 10's of thousands of HQ employees here. There are far more than 1 that have it or have had it, they just haven't gotten blood tests. And none of them have anything to do with touching any of the products that you order either. Not that you are going to get it that way anyhow.
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Most of the general public would likely disagree or have the same assessment. They think of warehouse workers who are limited on bathroom breaks constantly touching packages.
 
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