News AMD’s Lisa Su steps in to fix driver issues with new TinyBox AI servers — Tiny Corp calls for AMD to make its GPU firmware open source, points to i...

[digitalgriffin]

For those griping about ROCm, they don't use ROCm:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1764737741693342128

View: https://twitter.com/__tinygrad__/status/1764737741693342128

Same rules still apply. Dont' expect enterprise grade level support on a consumer card with small profit margins. That's not to say there won't be a fix. Just that you have to wait patiently and not act like a petulant child. It will just take longer.

They will ruin it for everyone if they get too mouthy.

Clear example just last night:
Son: Dad I want super chocolate milk please (This actually takes 5 minutes to make with 6 ingrediants and use of a special blender)
Me: I'll get to it when I can. I'm fixing dinner for everyone
Son 5 mintues later: Dad where's my chocolate milk?
Me: Do you not want dinner at all?

 

[SonoraTechnical]

TinyBox startup.... sound like a real bunch of humble guys playing around with VC money and not doing their due diligence before declaring to customers they've got the next big thing....

I hate everybody....

 

[bolweval]

I'm not sure what they expected ATI/AMD GPU drivers have been awful for 25 years.

Exactly, which is why I stopped buying AMD products 20+ years ago. Driver support is not their strong suit...

 

[helper800]

Exactly, which is why I stopped buying AMD products 20+ years ago. Driver support is not their strong suit...

Your anecdotal experience 20+ years ago with this company has almost nothing in common with the AMD of now. How is it logical to attribute a driver issue for a product you had 20 years ago to a random driver issue unique to this startup?

 

[rluker5]

For those griping about ROCm, they don't use ROCm:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1764737741693342128

View: https://twitter.com/__tinygrad__/status/1764737741693342128

OK, I stand corrected. Maybe RDNA3 is designed to be good at gaming and may not be compatible with this type of workload. And maybe Tiny needs CDNA3 for what they are trying to do.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

…so a company built their business plan around using gaming/consumer cards in an enterprise workflow instead of springing for the data center products, then threw a tantrum when AMD agreed to help them with that (and acknowledged Nvidia never would) but didn’t solve everything immediately?

Did they not build a prototype and validate their workflow before taking preorders and starting their production run?

This has been my thought process while reading this article. Seems rather rudimentary to not throw all your eggs into one hand basket until you’ve confirmed it works.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Hi I bought a Ford to join a race with Ferraris but it doesn’t do what I want.

Well did you get the Ford GT supercar that is built to compete with Ferrari? Or did you buy a consumer car like a focus? Lololol

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Doesn't TinyBox just want ROCm to work as advertised?
It doesn't sound like they want server support, just advertised features to work.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/rocm.html
If AMD is locking out ROCm functionality from consumer GPUs (that they claim work with ROCm) with firmware, maybe they should be honest and state that ROCm support might be coming to those GPUs sometime in the future.

Why all of the hate for TinyBox when they seem to just be guilty of the crime of trusting AMD.

To quote the great Ronald Reagan, “Trust but Verify”. Gotta be pretty dumb to blindly trust anything in this world.

 

[bolweval]

Your anecdotal experience 20+ years ago with this company has almost nothing in common with the AMD of now. How is it logical to attribute a driver issue for a product you had 20 years ago to a random driver issue unique to this startup?

It wasn't "a" product, it was many of their products over a span of time, and here i am still reading news about AMD and driver issues...

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings...🙄

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Same rules still apply. Dont' expect enterprise grade level support on a consumer card with small profit margins. That's not to say there won't be a fix. Just that you have to wait patiently and not act like a petulant child. It will just take longer.

They will ruin it for everyone if they get too mouthy.

Clear example just last night:
Son: Dad I want super chocolate milk please (This actually takes 5 minutes to make with 6 ingrediants and use of a special blender)
Me: I'll get to it when I can. I'm fixing dinner for everyone
Son 5 mintues later: Dad where's my chocolate milk?
Me: Do you not want dinner at all?

Sounds like child abuse to me!!! Just Kidding. You make a good point, Tiny Corp thinks they are king of the castle.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Because AMD can do no wrong, and it must be Nvidia's fault... because reasons?

Ironically, you can use CUDA on your standard GTX/RTX gaming GPU just fine, and it's supported - and by actual support staff rather than having to yell at the CEO on twitter. There's a EULA limitation on not doing so at datacentre scale (and you won't get management or integration tools), but no actual hardware or software limitations on running CUDA.

Except for 1/16th fp64 output

 

[helper800]

It wasn't "a" product, it was many of their products over a span of time, and here i am still reading news about AMD and driver issues...

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings...🙄

No feelings hurt, just pointing out the logical ineptitudes of your comment. Even if you had 100 issues over the years its still completely anecdotal evidence. As an owner of many AMD, Intel, and Nvidia products I can tell you I personally have had more issues with Nvidia products.

 

[jojosbuddy]

Geohot using his street creds to push, to a point bullying in Linus T style, a prime hardware company to do his bidding (opensource and make money). He already got burned on snapdragon (another closed source dilemmia) for his car stuff, now this. Super smart guy, but all this cred on jailbreaking an iPhone...

Person that mentions design , prototype, workflow is correct. And AMD's closed drivers are no worse than Nvidia's, especially on Linux.

 

[Notton]

So they announced their hardware on Feb, 28th 2024. They ran into issues because they never thought to build a test unit beforehand? And it's been only a week?

This company is run worse than a used car dealership.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-i...x-and-retails-for-dollar15k-now-in-production

 

[freebyrd26]

…so a company built their business plan around using gaming/consumer cards in an enterprise workflow instead of springing for the data center products, then threw a tantrum when AMD agreed to help them with that (and acknowledged Nvidia never would) but didn’t solve everything immediately?

Did they not build a prototype and validate their workflow before taking preorders and starting their production run?

BINGO! Probably why it is a TINY Company and probably will stay that way. I wouldn't buy their stuff if they didn't even do a QA before taking orders. I HIGHLY doubt other GPU makers are testing out/certifying their consumer cards and drivers to be used in some cheap GPU Server vendor trying to make a quick AI buck.

Good Luck with those Intel GPU & drivers too.

 

[eichwana]

Well did you get the Ford GT supercar that is built to compete with Ferrari? Or did you buy a consumer car like a focus? Lololol

It’s a Ford KA