AMD 1090FX, 1070 Chipset Info Leaked; Missing PCIe 3.0

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[citation][nom]JamesSneed[/nom]Everyone saying PCI 3.0 is a marketing slogan needs to remember some SSD solutions on PCIE would gladly eat up the PCIE 3.0 bandwidth. This is a niche market but remember PICE isnt just for graphics cards.[/citation]
Like I said about GFX cards - anyone buying SSDs so fast that they exceed PCIe 2.0 x4 is already spending so much that they won't be putting it in a Bulldozer system, no matter what.
 
[citation][nom]JamesSneed[/nom]Everyone saying PCI 3.0 is a marketing slogan needs to remember some SSD solutions on PCIE would gladly eat up the PCIE 3.0 bandwidth. This is a niche market but remember PICE isnt just for graphics cards.[/citation]

All you need for an SSD is PCIe X4. See OCZ Revo as an example. PCIe 3.0 is way beyond what any single SSD can muster for bandwidth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
 
So when we gonna get pci 3.0 support in amd chipset?????
I think may be when piledriver arrives it is necessary to have a new motherboard with pci 3.0 support
 
If you go thru mobo's once every few months or so, PCIE 3.0 is a non-issue. But if you run your mobo's for years into the ground, well, it could be an issue if you upgrade your vid cards....
 
If either amd or nvidia start launching pcie graphics cards this year it'll just be to say, "hey we were first".

In the graphics front you're probably looking at least 4+ generations before they even start to push the boundaries of 2.0, heck pcie 1.0 x16 speeds only bottleneck a gtx480 by 3%.... that's 8 year old technology and it still holds its own.
 
[citation][nom]beenthere[/nom]No the 7000 series cards will not be PCIe 3.0. Don't you think AMD would make their mobos fully capable of supporting their Video cards?[/citation]


From the article:

What is still to be seen is how will this affect AMD's Radeon HD 7000 series graphics cards supporting PCI-Express 3.0.
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So yeah it appears the 7xxx series cards will be PCI 3.0 Cards, that simply won't use the bandwidth, just like current gen cards on PCI 2.0 16x
 
I am a AMD Fan. I currently have Phenom x6 1055/ AM3. Want to upgrade to AM3+/bulldozer within 2-3 months. Want to know will there be any AM4 socket going to come next year, so that I can wait & directly upgrade to AM4....
 
[citation][nom]bit_user[/nom]Like I said about GFX cards - anyone buying SSDs so fast that they exceed PCIe 2.0 x4 is already spending so much that they won't be putting it in a Bulldozer system, no matter what.[/citation]
Really? I am thinking if it is good enough for a cray supercomputer then maybe it is good for me. The problem with bulldozer is they made it for server workloads not really games. BD is awesome for things like vmware or hyper-v. The problem with bd is windows 7 can't take advantage, and games in general can't take advantage (Plus they really needed to market it as a superior quad core, hence the marketing department got the axe.) Just saying if I was going to to spend a ton of money on storage, that doesn't exclude amd. Of course cray is going to make their own chipset anyhow. But, that's not the point.

http://pcper.com/news/Systems/Cray-Announces-AMD-Bulldozer-CPU-and-NVIDIA-Tesla-GPU-Supercomputer-Capable-50-Petaflop
 
[citation][nom]shreeharsha[/nom]I am a AMD Fan. I currently have Phenom x6 1055/ AM3. Want to upgrade to AM3+/bulldozer within 2-3 months. Want to know will there be any AM4 socket going to come next year, so that I can wait & directly upgrade to AM4....[/citation]

No AM4 but FM2 my friend.

im running an Phenom II BE 720 on an Asus M5A97 with 4gb (planing to make it 12 at least for Vegas 11 & photoshop) i was in the Bulldozer upgrade train but now im lookin towards and X6 or an FX x4...if AMD annunces a Phenom III or Phenoms II 32nm Die Shrink i will be happy...though im still very happy with my X3.
 



Thing with BD is that it performs pretty well on wide massively parallel tasks, but you absolutely need to code for it. It's L2 cache seems to be very finicky and I'm suspecting that's a design flaw they couldn't fix before having to meet production. Also Cray is coding explicitly to use the GPU's for FP style operations while using the BD's for integer operations, this exploits the BD's strengths (16 integer units per die) while mitigating it's weakness's (4/8 FPU's per die, shared memory subsystem and branch prediction). This isn't something a home user will every do, nor something most corporate / industrial business's will be doing.
 
I hope they will implement some smart multiplexing of the PCIe3.0 so that those lanes can be split up to more PCIe2.0 lanes. So 8 3.0 lanes can be used to provide a full PCIe2.0 x16 slot. It would be nice to have real 4 x16 quad SLI.
 
There's a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth here about a lack of PCI-E 3.0 support, however do remember that AMD started supporting USB 3 before Intel did... and Intel had a significant input into its development.

Radeon cards seem to need more bandwidth than the GeForce competition, but I'm still not sure that we really need 3.0 just yet. A test, of course, would be fantastic when the time comes, and I'm sure it'll be conducted.
 
[citation][nom]EXT64[/nom]Yep - PCI-E 3 isn't really needed yet, however I am still shocked. Normally marketing like to have the latest and greatest as it looks good in the advertisements, even if not really important. I hope they aren't losing enthusiasm for the enthusiast market.[/citation]

Except that AMD is the budget choice. They are keeping motherboard costs low and not paying royalties on PCI-E 3. :)
 
[citation][nom]iam2thecrowe[/nom]its not a marketing ploy. Do you want to end up like one of those people with a pcie 1.x slot that doesnt work with a pcie 2.1 card? I dont, so i would get the pcie-3, if not for added bandwidth, then for future compatability. Not to mention boards running an 8x/8x pcie setup with pcie3 gives them the effective bandwidth of a 2.0 16x/16x slot, so not such a need for the 16x slots on expensive motherboards. I agree with gladosiri, fix bulldozer, then think about motherboards.[/citation]

Dumbest comment I have read in awhile. First off, let me address your very last sentence. The CPU and motherboard WORK TOGETHER! AMD designs CHIPSETS. Therefore, you design a chip, the socket, the northbridge...and voila! PLATFORM!

Secondly, PCI-E 3.0 and PCI-E 2.1 are backwards compatible, just as PCI-E 2.1 is compatible with 2.0, and PCI-E x16/x8 are all compatible too. The cards that failed to work were due to similar issues that plagued AGP. The card manufacturers weren't paying attention to what they were doing. It "should" work.
 
[citation][nom]palladin9479[/nom]Thing with BD is that it performs pretty well on wide massively parallel tasks, but you absolutely need to code for it. It's L2 cache seems to be very finicky and I'm suspecting that's a design flaw they couldn't fix before having to meet production. Also Cray is coding explicitly to use the GPU's for FP style operations while using the BD's for integer operations, this exploits the BD's strengths (16 integer units per die) while mitigating it's weakness's (4/8 FPU's per die, shared memory subsystem and branch prediction). This isn't something a home user will every do, nor something most corporate / industrial business's will be doing.[/citation]
A design flaw they couldn't fix in time? They were a good 6-8 months late in the release anyway! Intel could have created an entire new architecture in that amount of time.
 
[citation][nom]shreeharsha[/nom]I am a AMD Fan. I currently have Phenom x6 1055/ AM3. Want to upgrade to AM3+/bulldozer within 2-3 months. Want to know will there be any AM4 socket going to come next year, so that I can wait & directly upgrade to AM4....[/citation]

No there will not be an AM4 socket next year. AMD has reportedly claimed that the AM3+ socket will be maintained thru Piledriver core desktop CPUs in '12.
 
Whatever. I love AMD because they actually THINK about what they're doing. They freaking KNOW any graphics card, as powerful as it may be, can't max out the 1.0 bandwidth well enough. Think about 2.0 then... And people are braggin about it not having 3.0? I say f__k you, childish sharp noses. What i think should be done is enable the slot to send morre current to the Gfx, and not increase bandwidth. It is nonsense to waste bandwidth with such pesky gimmicks. A card supporting 3.0 does not mean it requires it to function at full steam. The great firms are laughin their arses off on the stupid consumers who love to brag about their poorly invested money on some full-of-gimmicks gadget or piece of hardware. WAKE UP, DAMNIT! YOU DON'T NEED IT!
 
The diff between PCI-E 1.0 and PCI-E 2.0 at the time when PCI-E 2.0 came out was that many GPU's highend and even midrange were starting hitting or even going beyond the limits of PCI-E 1.0 bandwidth so PCI-E 2.0 was def needed. The current GPU's right not aren't close to hitting the PCI-E 2.0 limits yet let alone anything else, unless you are doing some cross fire setup with the current top of the line GPU's on the market then you are reaching anywhere between 80% 90% of PCI-E 2.0's limits, but even with that said it's still within the range of bandwidth without bottlenecking the GPU's. I mean don't get me wrong PCI-E will be eventually needed, but as of now they aren't, which is why you don't see AMD in a rush to put PCI-E 3.0 on its next gen motherboards.
 
It's really disappointing to see peeps bagging on PCIe 3.0 claiming we don't need it. Well, speak for yourself - I need it right now with the work that I do everyday. It's not always just about GPU's/gamers. Some of us have work to do!

It's absurd backwards thinking to say that since there's no products or software taking advantage of it right now there's no use for it. What a load of crap. There will NEVER be products or software taking advantage of it if they don't come out with it. The first step is obviously to come out with it. PCIe 3.0 makes 2.0 look like 1.0 when 2.0 came out.

PCIe 3.0 is part of the next new generation platform, period. I'm past due for a new build but, I won't do it unless I can at least get a PCIe 3.0 motherboard for several reasons.

A) I don't see the current platform as worth buying when it's soon to be obsolete.

B) I don't buy new mobos etc every couple years so, I don't want a soon to be obsolete platform.

C) I tend to keep my builds until they die so, I want the newer generation platform for easy upgrades & to have something that's actually worth keeping.

D) In order to have "full" or "true" PCIe 30 support everything in the chain must be PCIe 3 from mobo, chipsets, CPU & GPU etc. Otherwise, it's only as good as the weakest link in that chain.

Maybe Tom's would do an article explaining why it is time for PCIe 3.0 and how it's not always just about GPU's/gamers?
 
[citation][nom]SteelCity1981[/nom]Um..PCI-E 2.1 grpahics cards are compatible with PCI-E 1.x slots.[/citation]
They are supposed to be......but it is not always the case. I had trouble finding a card that would work in my 1.0 motherboard and many others will say the same. Look people, you can chose a slow ass AMD cpu and motherboard with pcie-2, or you can get a fast intel cpu with pcie-3. There is only really one smart choice there. this chipset does NOTHING to help AMD.
 
[citation][nom]iam2thecrowe[/nom]They are supposed to be......but it is not always the case. I had trouble finding a card that would work in my 1.0 motherboard and many others will say the same. Look people, you can chose a slow ass AMD cpu and motherboard with pcie-2, or you can get a fast intel cpu with pcie-3. There is only really one smart choice there. this chipset does NOTHING to help AMD.[/citation]

I run an HD4830 in my PCIE-X16 1.0 board just fine. It really depends on the BIOS and the card more than anything.
 
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