AMD 8320 temperature problems

[scrubbergtx]

I have a 990FX board with an AMD 8320 (8320F written on the chip). My friend gave it to me because his board stopped working. I pulled the cooler off and the thermal compound had turned black and ran off of the CPU. There was NONE left on the CPU. It was all tar and around the edges. So I picked up a new 990FX board and popped it on there, put some arctic silver paste on it, and it works.

The problem now is heat. Right off the bat it was reaching temps of 60 degrees. Max temp is 61 degrees. The cooler is stock but it shouldn't be that bad. It's got copper heat pipes and I even opened the side of the case and pointed a big fan at it. That doesn't help at all.

My solution was under-clocking. I lowered the CPU frequency to 2.0GHz. Now the temperature remains between 40 and 50 degrees Celsius. CPU usage is way up there, getting nearly to 100%, as where before it was maxing out at 33%. Even 50 degrees seems way too hot for this CPU, but it could be related to CPU usage.

Is this CPU damaged? Everything runs flawlessly. The cooler is burned on the bottom. I'm not sure if I should keep it or get an 8350 to replace it since they handle more heat.

 

[WildCard999]

61C max temp on a 8320 is perfectly fine and is well within safe limits. If there is damage to the cooler then I would consider replacing it.

 

[scrubbergtx]

61C max temp on a 8320 is perfectly fine and is well within safe limits. If there is damage to the cooler then I would consider replacing it.

So what you're saying is, 61 degrees is safe? I setup the BIOS to shut down at 60 degrees. AMD says 61 degrees is the max safe temperature. It's getting there quickly. I'll try to replace the cooler soon. Thanks for the input.

 

[boosted1g]

Those AMDs run failry hot. 60c is not bad at all.

FYI running a Hyper 212 cooler on my 8320 I see 55C when running handbrake for 30-40 minutes.

 

[WildCard999]

61C max temp on a 8320 is perfectly fine and is well within safe limits. If there is damage to the cooler then I would consider replacing it.

So what you're saying is, 61 degrees is safe? I setup the BIOS to shut down at 60 degrees. AMD says 61 degrees is the max safe temperature. It's getting there quickly. I'll try to replace the cooler soon. Thanks for the input.

It is safe. I would make sure there was no burned (black) thermal paste remaining on the CPU then get a aftermarket cooler such as the one boosted1g has (CM EVO 212) and that should help improve temps a bit. <Deleted>

EDIT: I would set the BIOS for 65C.
http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/CPU/AMD-FX-Series/AMD-FX-8-Core-Black-Edition/FX-8320/93

 

[Gam3r01]

The stock cooler is quite terrible for the FX series on top of them running at 125w.
61C is technically fine, but its not well within acceptable limits. I would look into a new cooler (Like the Cryorig H7) as you dont want to be dropping clocks on FX processors, thats all they have going for them.

 

[bgunner]

IF you want to know if your having issues with an AMD FX and A series CPU download AMD Overdrive and look under the CPU tab for Thermal Margin. This temp reads backwards so when it gets to 0°C the CPU will start to throttle the frequency to cool itself off.

Most temp monitoring programs do not read the temperatures correctly to this is the best way to go for AMD.

Here is a link with more on this subject: http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2122665/understanding-temperature-amd-cpus-apus.html

 

[Rogue Leader]

61C max temp on a 8320 is perfectly fine and is well within safe limits. If there is damage to the cooler then I would consider replacing it.

So what you're saying is, 61 degrees is safe? I setup the BIOS to shut down at 60 degrees. AMD says 61 degrees is the max safe temperature. It's getting there quickly. I'll try to replace the cooler soon. Thanks for the input.

It is safe. I would make sure there was no burned (black) thermal paste remaining on the CPU then get a aftermarket cooler such as the one boosted1g has (CM EVO 212) and that should help improve temps a bit. I would probably set the max thermal before shutdown in the BIOS around 75-80C, although the CPU could probably handle higher before there's a potential for damage.

Thermal limit on that CPU is 61 degrees C, DO NOT set a max to 80.

OP did you run the CPU without a cooler at some point? You may have done some damage.

As for the new cooler with thermal paste less is more, a little half grain of rice is enough.

61c under load is too hot

 

[scrubbergtx]

61C max temp on a 8320 is perfectly fine and is well within safe limits. If there is damage to the cooler then I would consider replacing it.

So what you're saying is, 61 degrees is safe? I setup the BIOS to shut down at 60 degrees. AMD says 61 degrees is the max safe temperature. It's getting there quickly. I'll try to replace the cooler soon. Thanks for the input.

It is safe. I would make sure there was no burned (black) thermal paste remaining on the CPU then get a aftermarket cooler such as the one boosted1g has (CM EVO 212) and that should help improve temps a bit. I would probably set the max thermal before shutdown in the BIOS around 75-80C, although the CPU could probably handle higher before there's a potential for damage.

Thermal limit on that CPU is 61 degrees C, DO NOT set a max to 80.

OP did you run the CPU without a cooler at some point? You may have done some damage.

As for the new cooler with thermal paste less is more, a little half grain of rice is enough.

61c under load is too hot

I've never run it without a cooler. The previous owner had a code saying the BIOS was gone. I thought that was unusual. When I popped the cooler off there was no paste on the CPU AT ALL. It had all run off around the CPU and almost into the socket.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Ok makes more sense, thats not good, it should not have run off like that, either the cooler was loose or there was WAY too much. Either way its possible the CPU was damaged by the temps, or the paste running into the socket, or the cooler not making good contact, etc.

 

[Guest]

Rouge Leader 61C is fine, it may introduce throttling on the CPU, That is all. (do you even use an AMD CPU?)
the CPU will shutdown if internally overheats this is not a bios setting (although you can instruct the motherboard to set a lower limit if required. Moderns CPU'S have an internal thermal sensor since the AMD A64 and the Intel Core era. Basically when processor core temperature reaches its limit, the sensor trips and processor execution is halted.
I've run an 8120 and 8350 into the 80's both are still running 24/7 at 4.4ghz and 4.8ghz respectively the 8350 can bench simple things at 5-5.1ghz (Note i am running water cooled for that)
What I have noticed that some motherboards will pump 1.4v straight to the CPU/NB this is overkill and what causes the CPU heat issue from my experience.
Under-volt the CPU an 8350 should tick along fine with 1.25v for the CPU and 1.225v for the CPU/NB
Replace the cooler as mentioned by others burnt base is no good for conductivity.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Rouge Leader 61C is fine, it may introduce throttling on the CPU, That is all. (do you even use an AMD CPU?)
the CPU will shutdown if internally overheats this is not a bios setting (although you can instruct the motherboard to set a lower limit if required. Moderns CPU'S have an internal thermal sensor since the AMD A64 and the Intel Core era. Basically when processor core temperature reaches its limit, the sensor trips and processor execution is halted.
I've run an 8120 and 8350 into the 80's both are still running 24/7 at 4.4ghz and 4.8ghz respectively the 8350 can bench simple things at 5-5.1ghz (Note i am running water cooled for that)
What I have noticed that some motherboards will pump 1.4v straight to the CPU/NB this is overkill and what causes the CPU heat issue from my experience.
Under-volt the CPU an 8350 should tick along fine with 1.25v for the CPU and 1.225v for the CPU/NB
Replace the cooler as mentioned by others burnt base is no good for conductivity.

As per AMD the thermal limit for the CPU is 61.5 degC

http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/CPU/AMD-FX-Series/AMD-FX-8-Core-Black-Edition/FX-8320/93

So no 61 is NOT ok for that processor, and yes I do use AMD CPU's, look at my main system.

You are not running an 8350 at 80, their thermal limit is 61 degrees C, if you are running it that hot likely the program you use is reading the temps incorrectly.

 

[bgunner]

AMD CPU's start to throttle around 62°C. If the CPU, ANY CPU, starts to throttle the core speed because of heat there is a problem and it is not OK. I agree that if your temp reading got to 80°C then your program was misreading the temperature. This is common with many programs due to the fact AMD does not use sensors on the chip like it did with the Phenom series CPU's.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Rouge Leader 61C is fine, it may introduce throttling on the CPU, That is all. (do you even use an AMD CPU?)
the CPU will shutdown if internally overheats this is not a bios setting (although you can instruct the motherboard to set a lower limit if required. Moderns CPU'S have an internal thermal sensor since the AMD A64 and the Intel Core era. Basically when processor core temperature reaches its limit, the sensor trips and processor execution is halted.
I've run an 8120 and 8350 into the 80's both are still running 24/7 at 4.4ghz and 4.8ghz respectively the 8350 can bench simple things at 5-5.1ghz (Note i am running water cooled for that)
What I have noticed that some motherboards will pump 1.4v straight to the CPU/NB this is overkill and what causes the CPU heat issue from my experience.
Under-volt the CPU an 8350 should tick along fine with 1.25v for the CPU and 1.225v for the CPU/NB
Replace the cooler as mentioned by others burnt base is no good for conductivity.

As per AMD the thermal limit for the CPU is 61.5 degC

http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/CPU/AMD-FX-Series/AMD-FX-8-Core-Black-Edition/FX-8320/93

So no 61 is NOT ok for that processor, and yes I do use AMD CPU's, look at my main system.

You are not running an 8350 at 80, their thermal limit is 61 degrees C, if you are running it that hot likely the program you use is reading the temps incorrectly.

You really have no idea what your talking about. 61c is Fine. Last reply.

Actually I really do but thanks for just bailing out on the conversation. Your post is filled with fabrications. AMD itself has the number there 61 degC right there in black and white at that link. I answer posts all day long here where people experience throttling above that temperature.

 

[Guest]

I'll bite / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power

"Configurable TDP (cTDP), also known as programmable TDP or TDP power cap, is an operating mode of later generations of Intel mobile processors (as of January 2014) and AMD processors (as of June 2012) that allows adjustments in their TDP values. By modifying the processor behaviour and its performance levels, power consumption of a processor can be changed altering its TDP at the same time. That way, a processor can operate at higher or lower performance levels, depending on the available cooling capacities and desired power consumption.[9]:69–72[10][11]"

Do I have to explain further? I know you mean well Rouge one, but one can run an FX CPU into the late 80's where then it triggers the internal sensor and halts processes and forces a shutdown until sufficiently cooler.

 

[Rogue Leader]

I'll bite / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power

"Configurable TDP (cTDP), also known as programmable TDP or TDP power cap, is an operating mode of later generations of Intel mobile processors (as of January 2014) and AMD processors (as of June 2012) that allows adjustments in their TDP values. By modifying the processor behaviour and its performance levels, power consumption of a processor can be changed altering its TDP at the same time. That way, a processor can operate at higher or lower performance levels, depending on the available cooling capacities and desired power consumption.[9]:69–72[10][11]"

Do I have to explain further? I know you mean well Rouge one, but one can run an FX CPU into the late 80's where then it triggers the internal sensor and halts processes and forces a shutdown until sufficiently cooler.

Negative. I know how throttling works buddy, I also know you have no idea what you are talking about if you think that an FX processor would even make it into the late 80's without slowing to a crawl.

While the processor does not go and hit a hard wall at 61 degreesC it does begin to throttle right there. You absolutely should not be running this processor over that amount and up to 80, you're insane, if it even is still running at that point it would be dragging on the ground.

What you are basically telling me is, going back to the beginning of FX processors is that every user thats ever had a throttling issue here is wrong and you are correct, as these temps I reference have been proven time and again. Sorry I just don't buy it. You are clearly reading your temperatures from the wrong place, or you are trolling us.

 

[scrubbergtx]

Rouge Leader 61C is fine, it may introduce throttling on the CPU, That is all. (do you even use an AMD CPU?)
the CPU will shutdown if internally overheats this is not a bios setting (although you can instruct the motherboard to set a lower limit if required. Moderns CPU'S have an internal thermal sensor since the AMD A64 and the Intel Core era. Basically when processor core temperature reaches its limit, the sensor trips and processor execution is halted.
I've run an 8120 and 8350 into the 80's both are still running 24/7 at 4.4ghz and 4.8ghz respectively the 8350 can bench simple things at 5-5.1ghz (Note i am running water cooled for that)
What I have noticed that some motherboards will pump 1.4v straight to the CPU/NB this is overkill and what causes the CPU heat issue from my experience.
Under-volt the CPU an 8350 should tick along fine with 1.25v for the CPU and 1.225v for the CPU/NB
Replace the cooler as mentioned by others burnt base is no good for conductivity.

8350 handles higher temperatures than the 8320. 8350 max temp is 70C. 8320 is 61C. The BIOS itself is reading the same temps as the MSI Afterburner. It says explicitly "CPU Temperature." Doesn't say socket or core temp. If it doesn't have a CPU temperature sensor then why is the BIOS reporting it? Not trying to be argumentative just genuinely curious.

 

[logainofhades]

AMD overdrive is the most accurate way to read AMD cpu temp. The FX 8350 is also 61c. http://products.amd.com/en-us/search/CPU/AMD-FX-Series/AMD-FX-8-Core-Black-Edition/FX-8350-with-Wraith-cooler/141

 

[Guest]

Rouge stop putting words into my mouth.

As you quoted me when i first Replied "Rouge Leader 61C is fine, it may introduce throttling on the CPU, That is all."

hell I even just let my CPU throttle after turning the fans off see link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b43z1kqx19wmi52/Screenshot%202017-01-13%2023.48.14.png?dl=0
The CPU did not once gover TDP limit of 61c (becasue I have set AMD power management to auto this can be disabled in BIOS) this will then allow no throttling and CPU temps to pass TDP limit of 61C

 

[Guest]

Also to Add the FX range of CPU's have a a TJ max temp of 90*C this will trip the sensor to halt and shutdown IF AMD power management is disabled.

 

[bgunner]

Rouge Leader 61C is fine, it may introduce throttling on the CPU, That is all. (do you even use an AMD CPU?)
the CPU will shutdown if internally overheats this is not a bios setting (although you can instruct the motherboard to set a lower limit if required. Moderns CPU'S have an internal thermal sensor since the AMD A64 and the Intel Core era. Basically when processor core temperature reaches its limit, the sensor trips and processor execution is halted.
I've run an 8120 and 8350 into the 80's both are still running 24/7 at 4.4ghz and 4.8ghz respectively the 8350 can bench simple things at 5-5.1ghz (Note i am running water cooled for that)
What I have noticed that some motherboards will pump 1.4v straight to the CPU/NB this is overkill and what causes the CPU heat issue from my experience.
Under-volt the CPU an 8350 should tick along fine with 1.25v for the CPU and 1.225v for the CPU/NB
Replace the cooler as mentioned by others burnt base is no good for conductivity.

8350 handles higher temperatures than the 8320. 8350 max temp is 70C. 8320 is 61C. The BIOS itself is reading the same temps as the MSI Afterburner. It says explicitly "CPU Temperature." Doesn't say socket or core temp. If it doesn't have a CPU temperature sensor then why is the BIOS reporting it? Not trying to be argumentative just genuinely curious.

Scrubbergtx, It may be a bit difficult to wade through the posts But to answer your question go back to my post that has a link in it, the one where I mentioned to download AMD Overdrive and read the link provided. It will explain how AMD figures temperature by a mathematical algorithm. There is also a link inside the one provided that will go even deeper into the subject but may get a bit to tech heavy for the average person.

 

[Guest]

Aye the Stilt explains it very well in this thread http://www.overclock.net/t/1134229/amd-cpus-max-temps/420

 

[Rogue Leader]

Rouge stop putting words into my mouth.

As you quoted me when i first Replied "Rouge Leader 61C is fine, it may introduce throttling on the CPU, That is all."

hell I even just let my CPU throttle after turning the fans off see link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b43z1kqx19wmi52/Screenshot%202017-01-13%2023.48.14.png?dl=0
The CPU did not once gover TDP limit of 61c (becasue I have set AMD power management to auto this can be disabled in BIOS) this will then allow no throttling and CPU temps to pass TDP limit of 61C

You do realize the screenshot of AMD Overdrive you are showing has the CPU running at 56 degC. Thermal margin, numbers in blue, thats 5 below the margin of 61.

I stand by everything I said. Sure the processor isn't going to melt down, but continually breaking thermal margin, throttling the processor not only sucks for performance, its the only way you can actually wear on the processor aside from overclocking it to the moon. You do not know what you are talking about and your advice is dangerous.

 

[Guest]

Rouge stop putting words into my mouth.

As you quoted me when i first Replied "Rouge Leader 61C is fine, it may introduce throttling on the CPU, That is all."

hell I even just let my CPU throttle after turning the fans off see link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b43z1kqx19wmi52/Screenshot%202017-01-13%2023.48.14.png?dl=0
The CPU did not once gover TDP limit of 61c (becasue I have set AMD power management to auto this can be disabled in BIOS) this will then allow no throttling and CPU temps to pass TDP limit of 61C

You do realize the screenshot of AMD Overdrive you are showing has the CPU running at 56 degC. Thermal margin, numbers in blue, thats 5 below the margin of 61.

I stand by everything I said. Sure the processor isn't going to melt down, but continually breaking thermal margin, throttling the processor not only sucks for performance, its the only way you can actually wear on the processor aside from overclocking it to the moon. You do not know what you are talking about and your advice is dangerous.

Your opinion and your welcome to it.
But I doI work for a well known tech company, I have worked for the MoD in tech support. I have worked with AMD and held a few WR in my time for Overclocking. I started Building PC's in 1995. I started my own company in 2001. So no I have no idea what i am talking about I agree.

 

[bgunner]

Scrubbergtx, It may be a bit difficult to wade through the posts But to answer your question go back to my post that has a link in it, the one where I mentioned to download AMD Overdrive and read the link provided. It will explain how AMD figures temperature by a mathematical algorithm. There is also a link inside the one provided that will go even deeper into the subject but may get a bit to tech heavy for the average person.

Aye the Stilt explains it very well in this thread http://www.overclock.net/t/1134229/amd-cpus-max-temps/420

The link I gave is a bit more to the point and is a full right up on the subject with further links to AMD technical documentation given for AMD's BIOS and Kernel Developers Guide. I would actually recommend that you, Gener_AL-UK, have a thorough read of it yourself. 😉