AMD 965 Black Edition With Hyper 212 Evo - High Temps (I think!)

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Hi,

Just built my first PC as a budget/mid range gaming rig. I went with the AMD 965 BE as I thought with the ability to overclock this would have met my needs and from what I had read about this (with a decent aftermarket cooler -212 Evo) I'd be able to at least be getting the 4ghz mark.

However, when I'm coming to do the over clock my temps are running high it seems. According to AMD Overdrive I'm idling around 40C and under load I'm pushing 60C within 10 - 15min of running a Prime95 Belnd test. This is at 3.8ghz with standard 1.325v.

So there it is, I think this is a little high for what I was expecting and from what I can gather from trawling the interwebs at large and was wondering if anyone out there could help with their experiences or where the trouble could be coming from.

System Specs
CPU - AMD Phenom ii 965 Black Edition (125w edition)
Mobo - Gigabyte GA-770T-D3L Micro ATX (Secondhand but BIOS up to date)
RAM - 8gb
GPU - XFX 7870 Tahiti version (Double D)
Cooler - Hyper 212 Evo (Reseated multiple times using arctic silver thermal paste using Articlean to clean each time)
Case - CM Enforecer Storm (I think the model is)
OS - Windows 7 64 bit
Misc - Cable management is pretty good as far as I can tell and the fan set up is as follows:
-200mm intake fan from the front of the case
-200mm exhaust fan blowing out the top
-120mm exhaust fan blowing out the back
-2 x 120mm fans (2000rpm) on push/pull config on the Hyper 212 Evo (Got it installed so it blows up as heat rises)

TL;DR

High temps I think with no more option to push past 3.8ghz overclock due to temps

Thanks in advance guys
 
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60 is fine. Temp rises quickly in the first 20 minutes in full load but it'll be stable in 65-66c in the next 30 min (it's unlikely that u run games in such load). Only if the temp >75 should u worry. (my laptop a6-3400m often turns 75c in games)
 
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Really? From what I'd gleaned from my research I'd heard that 62C was the upper limit for this chip and I should be aiming for mid 50s at a max for my overclock temps. Its seems to be stable at my current setting but would just want to give it a little more oomph!
 
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keep below 60C when fulload, maybe need fix the thermal paste maybe will help turn the temp, but maybe will get different result if use uninstall AOD and try OC via Bios ( the several features need disabled / enabled ) .. also use Realtemp / Aida64 for temperature .. just @ suggestion
 
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Maybe I am wrong. But since my FX-6300 stays 60c in stock cooler @3.9Ghz(I oc'ed it manually instead of TB) while playing games, and my A6-3400M laptop stays 75+ (sometimes 80+) in games, I wonder if mobile processors stands more temp than desktop processors.
 
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When applying the thermal paste I used the dot method and only used a ball bearing sized amount but thinking I may try and use the line method to get better spread.

In the BIOS I have cool'n'quiet disabled and also the AMD K1E (if I remember the name correctly) disabled as well as its suggested to do in most guides I've read.

I've been using AMD overdrive for overclock and temp monitoring but are the ones you suggested more accurate. Also if I do use these, what do I use to monitor the temps as I've had some confusion reading about core and CPU temps?
 
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Making sure your CPU fan run in full speed? I think u could adjust it in BIOS, there should be some settings like that. I turned off smart cooling forcing the fan to run in full-speed.

In your BIOS u could disable CPU & System Fan Control to gain full fan speed in "PC Health Status"

By the way, how is the weather of your city u'r living in?
 
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Use PhenomMSRTweaker to adjust your CPU multi's/voltages. I prefer the line method.

I also suspect your motherboard is holding you back quite a bit. I'm running an AM2+ motherboard at your same CPU specs (roughly) and my temps barely hit 60C with the stock cooler at stress (mid-40s when gaming).

What are your NB volts?

edit: I fergit ...

If you are running a C2-stepping with 8GB of RAMs you have likely hit the upper limit.





 
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I have a similar set up (965BE with 212 Evo) and I'm not even close to 60C I idle around 30C. And when putting a full load on it I have yet to see above 55C.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2lbdlg.png

http://i41.tinypic.com/2udx0mp.png

With that said, did you use the thermal paste that comes with the Hyper 212 Evo?

Update I just did a Prime95 test and this is the results I got for running it for 5 minutes.

http://tinypic.com/r/15gaznr/5

Here is a 20 minute test result.

http://i43.tinypic.com/vmxafa.png

So it looks like you are running hotter than normal.
 
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Northbridge vaults are set to default which is 1.100 and I thought the 125W was the C3 stepping version, not the C2. I'm at work on my laptop at the minute but I'll double check my rig when I get home in in a couple of hours.

The CPU fan is running at full speed and according to the mobo status tab in Overdrive its running at about 1900rpm constantly. All other fans are connected to the PSU so should be running at full speed also if I'm correct?

When gaming on these settings (3.8ghz 1.325v), namely BF3 multiplayer, its easily getting up to 57C in some places which seems to be high compared to what I've seen others perform with the same sort of cpu/cooler setup.

Lastly, the weather here is around 26C as we're having a bit of a heatwave here in the UK (well for us its a heatwave! haha)

When I get home I'll post some pics of my cable management and HSF setup along with screen dumps of the temps I'm getting idling and with a 10min run of Prime see if that gives you guys some clues.

Much appreciating the help up to yet though guys! 😀
 
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Right so here's a couple of pics to illustrate the problem I'm having

Current settings for the 3.8ghz stable system
http://imgur.com/fTNGE48

Idling at 3.8ghz 1.325v and NB 1.1v
http://imgur.com/bzkY1QN

5 min of Prime 95 Blend Test
http://imgur.com/uMBNA84

Idling at 3.9ghz 1.375v NB 1.2v
http://imgur.com/5qp90Xc

1 min of Prime 95 Blend Test (Before I stopped it for getting too hot)
http://imgur.com/qhNxYpg

Pic Of HSF and fan setup
http://imgur.com/QMOqWDm

Pic of front of case showing 200mm intake fan and an HDD removed to increase airflow
http://imgur.com/ifEkLDC

Like I said I think my cable management shouldn't be causing any problems as its all routed round the back of the case and I even removed one of the unused cages to increase the airflow through the case in general.

The thermal paste I used is Arctic Silver 5 and I can confirm I do have the C3 revision of this chip according to CPU-Z.

I'm at a loss and don't want to think I've got a duff chip as I reckon I'm the problem here and not the hardware as I'm well aware I'm a noob at all this! :pt1cable:
 
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Weird but I think your cooling is much better than mine. I didn't purchase additional cooler 'cause I don't plan to push my CPU high. Currently I'm running my FX-6300 @3.9Ghz using stock cooler and it's around 50c while playing games. Probably, I think, probably the problem is your processor. This CPU, I don't know, perhaps only the engineers can tell, if the materiel matters.

U do a good job though. Obviously u'r not a gulu at all.
 
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Well your cable management is a lot better than mine :) I literally have cords flung everywhere in my case. And yes I have RB-C3 Revision of 965. But after looking through all your pictures. I'm leaning towards a bad chip as well. If you recently ordered your CPU I would suggest to return it for a another one. Or clean off the current Thermal paste you have on it and use the one that came with the Hyper 212 and then test the temps.

Let me know what you plan to do.

PS

It is impossible to reach 4.0Ghz and being stable without giving the CPU more volts than the manufacturer suggests so maxing out at 3.9 is a good idea.

And yes I recently built this computer I'm going to fix the cord issue soon. Here is a picture of mine.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2jbpmhg&s=5

My GPU is an XFX 6950 HD 2Gig DDR5 VRam
 
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Fan orientation could be a culprit as well.

I ran the 965BE C3 at 3.8ghz with a similar cooler, same fans, same voltage, but I instead had it pointed at the rear exhaust fan in my case. I did this only after testing with vertical orientation and a top mount exhaust fan. In both cases, the 212's airflow was direct to the exhaust fan, but the upflow set up ran significantly hotter, more than 10c difference at load, iirc (it was some years ago).

My theory at the time was that pulling air from closer to the videocards increased the effective "ambient" temp that the HS had to deal with. I was running twin 4870s at the time, so my graphic heat output was pretty obscene.


 
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I'm guessing there is a reason you raised your VCore? Can you drop your VCore back even -0.0125v?

I have the same 4+1 PWN (kinda) as your motherboard and I can do 19x -1.3v - 58c at load ...

HTPC_Fox790FX_load_1-3125v_05.png


I get a consistent +0.025v volt bump from the Foxconn mobo. Gigabyte motherboards are bad to over-volt, but I'm not seeing anything in your pics.

Do you have LLC in your BIOS? You might find a sweet spot with your VCore by moderating the volts somewhat at load with LLC.

Another option would be dropping back your CPU multiplier and running the system clock at 240- or 250MHz. What is the speed of your RAMs?

DDR3 1600 = 240MHz 'sweet spot'
DDR3 1333 = 250MHz 'sweet spot'
(Simply drop your memory speed one notch, and it will return to spec speed)

Lock your PCIe at 100MHz, set your HT link at 8x (1600MHz) ... your NB/IMC could go 9x at stock NB volts, or 10x with 1.2v (or less) NB volts.

 
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@jofamang - I came to that conclusion myself and when doing a reseat and alternating the orientation I noticed my RAM wasn't giving me the clearance to screw down as tight as I'd like I think. Just put it in and I'm now at 37C idling on the above setup (3.8ghz etc but blowing to the rear now) and prime95 pushes up to 50-53C (not had much chance to play about with it yet). Also did the line application method this time so either of these things could have resulted in the lower temps

@Wisecracker - A lot of that post was just plain gibberish to my eyes but it doesn't take much to go way out of my depth! haha I hadn't thought I'd altered the vcore as that it showing as normal through BIOS at 1.325 which is what I thought was the default on these chips :S The memory I have is 1600mhz (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008LTJJM2/ref=pe_217191_31005151_M3T1_dp_1) so would that mean I would change the system clock in BIOS to 240mhz and then change the multiplier to try and achieve better overclocks beyond 3.8ghz total? If you can spare any time to give me a bit of a breakdown of what I should be aiming to do or link me some how-tos in that area that'd be very kind of you.

@smitty - I'm not averse to whacking some more vaults in there but even pushing the voltage without touching the multiplier any further at the moment puts it into the "too hot" bracket so need to get what I have lower to give me more of a window that I can play about in :)

@maxime - thanks bud, good to know I'm heading in the right direction. Its all a learning process to me :)

And finally, turns out I have arctic MX-2 after reading the little syringe (must have got arctic 5 from reading the endless amounts of posts on this stuck in my head! haha).

So going to leave it for tonight and pick it up again tomorrow to see if it cools off a bit more. Gonna leave it running over night just to let it get settled and see what happens from there. Any brainwaves in the meantime are more than welcome as ever.
 
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ah HA! :lol:

Now, we got it. Your Gigabyte motherboard is over-volting at load, and that is what is driving your temps. This is not a surprise, and can be fixed in a number of ways.

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If you have your VCore set at 1.325v, the motherboard at load is boosting your voltage +0.1v. This is what is driving your temps. First step is to take manual control of VCore in the BIOS. Do not leave the setting on **Auto**. Gigabyte motherboards are really bad to over-volt on 'Auto'

Check your motherboard manual to learn the secret Gigabyte command 🙂lol:) to expand your BIOS options. Set the CPU voltage at **Manual** (or, I would suggest dropping it 2 steps, or -0.025v) AMD voltage controls typically work in +/- 0.0125v steps. Test for temps and voltages, and see how she runs.

LLC stands for *Load Line Calibration* This is the setting which controls the over-volt at load. Makes sense, right? It typically is defined by 'percent' (%). IF your BIOS has LLC, you should experiment with the *%* setting ... 50% of a +0.1v over-volt is +0.05v, right? Meaning, if you have set your VCore at 1.325v, at load the motherboard will deliver 1.375v!

There is nothing wrong with an *over-volt* It adds stability at load which is important especially when over-clocking. The important thing is to control it, and prevent your temps from rising too high (the issue with which you are dealing).

Good luck. I declare this problem solved! :bounce:



 
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Hmmm, interesting, I will give this a go when I get home from work and let you know how it goes. So for a 3.9ghz to 4.0ghz do you suggest only increasing the voltage 0.125v giving me a voltage of 1.3375v and taking that attempt first? Or should I try lowering my voltage on my current 3.8ghz stable set up to see if I can still get it to run through prime for a while?

Oh, and I can I run these tests in AMD OverDrive and if successful then apply them to BIOS to save me constantly rebooting or is it more effective to just bite the bullet and change these settings in BIOS from the get go?

Hopefully your eagerness to declare this solved will prove right! 😀 haha
 
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And actually realised from looking back at the post I did increase the voltage to make the 3.9ghz setup stable but realised I added 0.1v instead of the 0.05 as suggested on another guide
 
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Still no joy, can't see any option for LLC in the BIOS and when trying to follow your advice on changing the system clock and the like the system wouldn't even boot from BIOS so I'm at a loss now 🙁
 
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Well I've managed to get it up to 3.9ghz at 1.35v running fairly stable at least for 20mins of Prime with temps topping out about 57C. This seems to be my max limit now which sucks but ah well, will have to plod along until I come round to my next upgrade of a CPU and MOBO as I think the mobo is holding me back.

If anyone has any last ditch ideas I'm all ears but if not thanks for all your help :)
 
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I actually have similar temps with my 965 BE @ 3.8ghz with exactly the same cooler (although during gaming I never see it get past 55 - 56, usually between 49 and 51, prime95 pushes it to 56 - 57 after 7 minutes or so). My motherboard is an Asus m4a88td-v evo/usb3, should I start a new thread or request help here?
 
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