AMD A10-5800K without graphics card can run Crysis 3 and Aliens: Colonial Marines?

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The APU system will cost around 30K, when you include everything - motherboard, hard drive, monitor. I've finalized on the Dell S2240L full HD monitor, which costs around 8K.

Can I get an FX 8350 system (everything except the gfx card) for 30K?
 
*sigh* as I said, it's a SoC...it's not exactly the same...the performance is closer to FX8XXX than it is to FX4300

This is an overclock screen showing comparable performance to an extremely OC'ed FX8XXX series:
http://www.hardocp.com/news/2012/10/04/amd_trinity_a105800k_apu_overclocked_to_73ghz

If you blow up the screens, he disabled all but 1 FPU, as per common practice with FX8XXX series to get maximum overclock... (7.3GHz stable OC is impressive, any way you slice it...)

http://www.overclockers.com/amd-trinity-a10-5800k-apu-review

If you look at this and actually READ it, you'll note that it has 4 x86 cores...and if you read it properly...you'll also note that the CPU has access to the GPU units to use for computing muscle...

My example was perhaps poorly illustrated, while the GPU is integrated onto the chip, you lose part of the piledriver processes that would be there...but the equivalent CPU power you can harness with an A10-5800K is dramatically more than a FX4XXX series.

You may not like the explanation given, as it was not technical, but it was to show that the SoC has more muscle than what the detractors were giving it credit for...explaining a SoC to mostly layman, I was trying to make an example they would better understand.

TL;DR A10-5800K > FX4300, A10-5800K +/- FX6300, A10-5800K < FX8320/8350

Makes more sense?

 
Keep sighing, you are still pulling all of this out of your backside. Two piledriver modules at about the same speed perform about the same. Who would have thought?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=700

Passmark is 4717 for one and 4760 for the other: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

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Using a 7.3Ghz extreme overclock (that likely only stayed up long enough for a screenshot) as an argument that it performs like a stock 8350 is pretty funny.



 


Quote where I said it performs like a stock 8350.

Edit: The Benchmark you posted doesn't even have Passmark scores on it...you have SYSmark and about everything else there...

This should give you an idea...

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-FX-6300-vs-AMD-A10-5800K

They're really close there...

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-FX-4300-vs-AMD-A10-5800K

Edge to A10-5800K
 
My bad, you said it performed like an 8320 2-3x on the previous page, but never an 8350.

Your CPUboss link actually proves how close it is to the FX-4300. The A10 performs significantly worse than the 6300 in most benchmarks shown. In some cases up to 50% slower (which makes sense as it has 2/3 the cores of the 6300).

Just admit you are making this stuff up and we can move on.



 
K6 is for weenees. Real men run Cyrix.



 


/sarcasm aside...

That's a throwback, the first PC I built myself had a Voodoo 2 in it...lol...with a K6 300 MHz....windows 95 was "new" back then...

Wow...that goes back a long time ago...
 


Actually, I said you are getting close to an 8320...

depending on what you're doing you are...

FX-6300 vs A10-5800K single threaded performance advantage goes to the A10, rendering goes to the A10 against the FX6300, as well as several gaming benchmarks, pair them with equal cards and the A10 comes out on top of the FX-6300 in all but the most CPU intensive games that require large numbers of Integer calculations, and that's really the only point where the FX6300 comes out ahead...is in running database/computation type programs and hardcore number crunching. WinRAR compression also is better with the A10 in the benchmarks...

If you're gaming though, you're not running those types of programs, so you're on an equal footing with either processor, whether it be a SoC A10 APU or a FX6300 CPU...it will really only come down to the card between the 2...in most games, you'll likely not be able to tell the difference between the 2.
 
According to this. An A10 5800k is, on average, roughly 10% slower in games.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-processor-frame-rate-performance,3427.html
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You're talking about 2-3 frames per second including the super high end games where the FX6300 is stronger because of the massive integer calculations...the only time that comes seriously into play is a high end FPS game because the integer calculations run higher in those.

Who will notice that difference in resolution? Nobody that doesn't have a monitor to show them the difference.
 
Ok one last time. The A10 is a 4 core FX without the L3 cache. It will perform slighly less in games utilizing up to 4 cores. Once you move up to the games that can use the other cores then the a10 gets left behind. That should be pretty plain to see.

If you want to see how well the extra 4 cores of the 8350 work look for encoding benchmarks.
 
As I have APU's and have tested them in discrete, integrated, SLI, CFX and Dual Graphics along with faster RAM SPD's, i would like to shed light on some of the performance aspects of an APU.

I tested the standard build for an APU;

5800K
Asrock A85X extreme 6
G.Skill Ares DDR31600

Battlefield 3 64man map

Settings: Low, Meshing ultra, Anti Aliasing 2x, no Anistrophy or Ambient Occlusions.
Resolution: 1386x768/1680x1050/1920x1080

Fraps recorded: Min/Av/Max

1) 36/55/68
2) 27/38/53
3) 22/32/48

In terms of iGPU performance that is seriously impressive.

Same run using DDR32133;

1) 47/68/82
2) 37/45/69
3) 30/39/55

DDR32400 oc'ed to 2600

1) 55/75/90
2) 42/55/70
3) 33/44/56

So it is true that faster memory does affect the iGPU performance, considering G.Skill Ares 1600 is $58 and the 2133 kit is $70~ if you know you are going to run integrated you are best spending that $12 extra and harnessing almost double the bandwidth DDR3 1600 can offer. DDR3 2133 compared to DDR3 1600 is very noticeable on a APU.

DUAL Graphics

HD6670 1GB DDR3 800/1180

1) 50/70/92
2) 42/53/72
3) 37/49/61

Battlefield 3 Scales well in crossfire so its about as good as the 6670 will preform, certainly between 7750 and 7770 level. The Kaveri APU's are rumored on the specs given to offer up HD7770 like performance on the die, the new HD8600 family intended for Dual Graphics are about the same as a HD7770 as well so I do expect Dual Graphics to improve considerably on the next release.

 
If you are going with a full Graphics power setup the FX6300 is fantastic it really is a good choice when paired with the right AM3+ board and Graphics card. While the APU's do have similar x86 performance to the top end FX, in games where L3 becomes a factor the FX6300 will pull away.

That said in a lot of testing we have done, the A10 and A8's certainly keep pace very well with the FX4000 and P2 x4 955/965BE parts which is why it really annoys me when people call these cores week.
 
This turned out to be a long discussion, and though I didn't understand many of the parts, it was still good to read! So A10 will run Aliens: Colonial Marines only at 720p for playable rates? Too bad...
 


You can run it well if you use high bandwidth RAM. AMD APUs/CPUs seem to respond better to high bandwidth RAM in terms of % gain in performance over the competition.
 
I know that adding faster RAM will help with the APU, but how much difference will it make? It doesn't mean that I can run these games at 1080p, does it? If it does, I would gladly add a lot of fast RAM.
 
To get real 1080p performance on Colonial Marines, you probably would need to look at doing a crossfire setup with a 6670 or going to a HD 7870...if it were me, I would go the HD 7870 route, as that will really give you more time to upgrade later...and the A10 will be enough processor for you.
 
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