AMD A10-7700k Bottleneck hard?

[Ashforever]

I upgraded my old R7 240 for a GTX 950 due to a friend sold to me for 250 ringgit (MyR) = 63.82 (USD) but it seems my A10-7700k black edition cant handle the gc :/

been playing skyrim/Csgo/sniper elite 3

except for SE3, i cant seems to get a clean 60fps on medium nor high

Full Spec for now:
A88XM-A
AMD A10-7700k 3.7Ghz
8Gb (2x4Gb) Hyperx Savage DDR3
GTX 950 MSI Gaming 2G
HEXA 500W PSU

is it the CPU dat bottleneck it and i need to upgrade or what?
if the cpu the cause is it worth it for Athlon x4 860k?

Thanks

 

[Ecky]

An Athlon x4 860K is the same CPU, only without the integrated graphics. Socket FM2+ does not have a faster CPU, so there's no upgrade path.

In Skyrim, I can see the A10 as being a bottleneck in certain situations. It's a game that demands strong single-threaded performance, and will not utilize a lot of cores. I have no experience with CSGO's requirements.

AMD's cores are very weak, having not been significantly improved (and in some metrics even regressed) since Phenom II was released in 2008, but AMD now sells CPUs with a lot of them for relatively cheap - e.g. FX-8300 with 8 slow cores for ~$100 would seem like a deal, until you realize that some games simply won't run well because those cores are very slow, and most games will only take advantage of 1-4 of the cores. An Intel i3, for instance, is only a dual core with 4 hardware threads, but each of those cores is 50-75% faster than the cores in your A10, and as such, in single-thread performance limited scenarios, can be 50-75% faster.

This is the exact reason I steer new builders away from AMD sockets right now. Although their CPUs perform fairly for what they are priced, current AMD sockets are dead-ends in terms of upgrades, where a Pentium or i3 would have the option of an i5 or i7.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

While what Ecky said is true, you have what you have.

The 860K is about the same CPU power as the CPU you have. Your motherboard will have issues with a very robust overclock, but getting a CPU cooler and overclocking your CPU is the only 'simple' way to more performance.

If your 'new' system is performing worse that the 240, then you may have driver issues.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Well, as far as Skyrim is concerned, I'm running it at 2.5k at Ultra without AA, and I'm hitting 60 FPS, with an A8 5500, R9 380. Skyrim is really NOT a CPU intensive game.

OP, did you get rid of the old drivers, before installing your new card and drivers?

 

[Ecky]

Any CPU can bottleneck any GPU, or vise versa, depending on the situation.

GPU bottlenecks can be relieved by lowering graphical settings.

CPU bottlenecks cannot be relieved. You generally get what you get, and the only way to improve this is to overclock or replace.

A motherboard cannot cause a video card to throttle. It can cause a CPU to throttle, but this is extremely unlikely for an FM2+ CPU which is not overclocked and not using its iGPU.

 

[Ashforever]

While what Ecky said is true, you have what you have.

The 860K is about the same CPU power as the CPU you have. Your motherboard will have issues with a very robust overclock, but getting a CPU cooler and overclocking your CPU is the only 'simple' way to more performance.

If your 'new' system is performing worse that the 240, then you may have driver issues.

I don't think so. only the CPU intense game like Fallout 4/Skyrim/CS-GO. but for other is like 10-30% performance boost for me :-/

Well, as far as Skyrim is concerned, I'm running it at 4k at Ultra without AA, and I'm hitting 60 FPS, with an A8 5500, R9 380. Skyrim is really NOT a CPU intensive game.

OP, did you get rid of the old drivers, before installing your new card and drivers?

Yes. uninstalled old amd driver by using the DDU and installed the 364.51 version Nvidia Driver cause the newer one seem to have issue.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

What settings are you trying to run at 1080p Ultra AA?

 

[Ashforever]

A10-7700k runs at 3.80 GHz and has build in R7 graphics card with 384 Stream Processors there is no way to bottlneck a GTX 950 somewere else the problem his motherboard as you hear

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/A88XMA/gallery/

dosent have heatsinks for the VRM's and only 1 4 pin 12 volts ATX connector were the most motherboards do have 2 x 12 volts ATX connector. You can try a 2 x molex to 6 pin pci-e connector as ou see hear are cheap

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trueway-Express-Power-Adapter-Cable/dp/B008AS7660

to make sure the GTX 950 dosen't draw any power from your motheboard that may solve his problem.

A10-7700k clocked on 3.40 actually. But i use it on 3.70-3.80 now is 3.889 lol could gone 4.0 but using stock cooler rip

The most AMD users go for cheep build and there is nothing rong if the job can be done with cheep ways an ssd can improve his pc significand and if has HDD a defrag using O&O defrag as you see it hear

https://www.oo-software.com/en/products/oodefrag/index.html?id=cj

or perfect disk from hear

http://www.raxco.com/

don't even make defrag to a ssd btw it dosne't make a difrence i use them in sas 3 raid 0 boath.

Will try to defrag my hdd later thanks

What settings are you trying to run at 1080p Ultra AA?

almost everything if i can haha. but prefer medium cause my monitor run at 1600x900 reso.
mainly is for Fo4/Skyrim/Csgo.

 

[Ashforever]

wow 4.0 with the stock cooler!? What is your thermal margine and what pc case are you using?

tested the cpu on Overdrive Stability test for 24 minutes. so far highest is 61-63'c.maybe cause of the thermal paste. for the case using a Cooler Master CMP 102.not going to buy newer one except a huge upgrade on system that need new case.

Edit : not 4.0 but 3.70-3.90 ish

 

[Gunner1531]

Id say yes its a bottleneck i have a amd a10 7850k and nvidia gtx 770 and bf4 1080p ultra no aa 40-50fps where on my old i3 it was 1080p ultra 2xaa i got 60min 120max call me a lier but i truly believe the the fm2 socket is nothing but crap it was my worst investment i have made. it was supposedly an upgrade from my fx 4130 but there was no performance gain. A cpu for 2012 "FX 4130" was just as good as a cpu from 2014 "7850k" that being said the 860k is the 7850k without the graphics. in the end i would say wait for Zen or go Intel Because None of amd's stuff right now is worth getting, in my opinion. I am honestly an amd fanboy and it sucks for me to say something like that about amd but it is true.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

Have you ever use 2 x SAS 3 in raid 0 with 15000 rmp each 128 MB chache and 12 GB/s each ? I scpeack for 24 Gbyte/s speed. Then you will find out that the only thing that can bottlneck GPU is a slow HDD or slow SSD that the owner has not energized the write back chache and nothing more.

And who's going to do that on a budget gaming system and why would they not instead use a SSD?

And you are mistaken anyway. Then you will find out that the only thing that can bottlneck GPU is a slow HDD or slow SSD that the owner has not energized the write back chache and nothing more. (sic) otherwise a Celeron would be fine for any GPU, and that is clearly not so. The CPU needs to process and deliver the 'model' fast enough. If it cannot, then the GPU is limited.