AMD and Intel General Discussion (not for getting help)

[jennyh]

Yes around 3 hours maybe. There will always be bears and bulls, no point reading into it too much.

 

[surda]

you know intel have a good chance with larabee, but what bothers me is there still didnt give benchmarks for reall gaming and thats what i want to see from intels larabee.

 

[Upendra09]

u aren't going to get smooth games for LRB for a while, unless u play those half 3d hlaf 2d games

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I took alot of hassle saying Intels going after the devs for their igps.
Now, it appears, their igp SoC solution is nothing but cheats.
The only optimised things are games thatre benchmarked and 3dMark. Thats telling me, Intel doesnt want to have performance, as I feared, and their proposed claims arent true on thier perf improvements on their igps, and its only about the money, and screw us, the consumer.
If their profile was complete, and the improvements were seen on every game, and if their igp wasnt so carppy, the cpu wouldnt do anything for it anyways, as the igp would really do its job, instead of getting a boost from the cpu, and still only half the perf of ATI
Lotsa bull coming from Intel and their gfx

 

[surda]

what makes you think that LRB wont be good for games?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

It all has to be done thru drivers using SW, with no fixed function HW, and that in itself is a huge mountain to climb, plus, matching HW with working drivers, out of the blue, with new driver teams, no history, not having worked together, and not even having all potential setups run to cover all bugs, its just too much, as most new drivers for new games show good increases down the line, but thats on pre-existing HW and approach, both of which Intel has neither, and the concept itself lends to better alternatives, but the gaming industry isnt going to bend over for LRB, not while theres 2 other huge makers to work with, besides M$

 

[Reynod]

Well whatever they can't lie and cheat their way out of I suppose ...

Intel IGP Plays Crysis ... in EGA Mode (640 X 350) ... 64 COLOURS ... at a hefty 20 FPS too ...

Roll up ... roll up ... we have elixers to cure all maladies ...

 

[randomizer]

I don't think offloading processing to the CPU is cheating. It's misleading, but not cheating. There is nothing wrong with using idle processing power to boost performance. It's only cheating if the consumer loses something to gain something, like the driver optimisations AMD and NVIDIA use to reduce image quality subtly to gain a few FPS.

 

[Upendra09]

Random ths is wehre the six core procs can be used for intel only

they reserve two cores for IGP use and the other four for normal use but why would u get a six core with an IGP?

 

[xtc28]

Because some people just dont know what to get and that causes confusion. Six cores are nice and all, but for the average person who doesnt care about GAMING in this case IGP is a god send.

 

[xtc28]

recently i started to feel dizzy, and i dont know but every time i hear AMD i Fart with no reason, o dam like right now i just farted.

so i was wondering what should i do to prevent this problem from happening?

Well the first thing is to grow up BUB!!!!!!!!!!! If AMD causes this type of adverse reaction to you, I would have to say get your head checked!

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I pointed out that Intel is doing this in the games that only get benchmarked, and not others, or all games, which is cheating.
Makes them look good, but having that cpu power sitting idle on the game YOU want, but doesnt make their list?
Theyre slackin, no doubt, and all for show

 

[Upendra09]

XTC28 where did u go? last time i saw u was with the guy wanting too put two computers together to make one

 

[surda]

what makes you think that intel dont have any idea about gpu Drivers for games? they do man, i dont think they are releasing LRB just for GPGPU im sure its gonna be for gaming as well.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

According to Fuddy , no Bulldozer or 32nm for AMD CPUs until 2H 2011:

AMD's new architecture should be coming in the second part of 2011. This is AMD’s only hope to catch up with Intel as Nehalem is about to get replaced in late 2010 with new architecture codenamed Sandy Bridge.

The trouble is that when AMD goes to 32nm with Bulldozer Intel should be getting ready to launch its 22nm shrunk version of Sandy Bridge codenamed Ivy Bridge.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

In anticipation of AMD's upcoming Q3 results, here are a few AMD innovations and inventions to astound & amaze the gathered fanbois 😀 :

AMD Bluetooth for Cellphones

How to Properly Cool the AMD Phenom 2 975 Desktop

How to Power Your AMD Phenom 2 Desktop Rig

AMD's New PDA/Ultra Netbook

And finally:

AMD Introduces Eye-Finity's Companion Technology - the Remote-Finity!

😗

 

[fazers_on_stun]

OK, AMD's 3rd quarter results are in, and it looks like a non-GAAP loss of $182M, or about 27 cents per share. Jennyh owes me a bottle of Glenfiddich! 😀

 

[jennyh]

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/10/15/4426837.htm

Just call me the oracle. 😀

In the third quarter of 2009, AMD reported a net loss attributable to AMD common stockholders of $128 million, or $0.18 per share, which includes a net favorable impact of $54 million, or $0.08 per share, primarily from a $66 million gain from the repurchase of debt as described in the table below2.

 

[Upendra09]

HILARIOUS!!!!!

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Look at their drivers for their IGPs again. Its only for a few games, not all.
Even on their existing gfx, theyre failing to do full coverage of its own market.
Just like their inability to make aero in Vista work, it took forever for them to do that.
What Im saying is, this driver team for LRB is new, and thats good, because their old driver team was woefully inadequate, BUT< this is on HW thats never preexisted bfore, rendered in a way thats not like anything before, and has to cover every game out there, and as long as they yake, the new ones from now til then too.
When new games come out, it takes the polished driver teams a few tweaks/weeks to get their already established HW/drivers to get them working correctly.
Then you have all the old games, and theres no working with devs on them, as those games are done, and arent approachable from a dev standpoint.
Being that all this has to be done, and again, on brand new HW, all in SW with no fixed function units in LRB at all except for TV/BR playback, its a huge mountain to climb, let alone on how well it performs, even at its best

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/10/15/4426837.htm

Just call me the oracle. 😀

In the third quarter of 2009, AMD reported a net loss attributable to AMD common stockholders of $128 million, or $0.18 per share, which includes a net favorable impact of $54 million, or $0.08 per share, primarily from a $66 million gain from the repurchase of debt as described in the table below2.

Better get to it Fazers, and I believe it deserves its own thread as well.
[:jaydeejohn:2] [:jaydeejohn] [:jaydeejohn:1] [:jaydeejohn:5] [:jaydeejohn:4]
I'll be watching [:jaydeejohn:7]

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Better get to it Fazers, and I believe it deserves its own thread as well.

LOL - I'll let Jennyh do the honors, as I'm sure she can do justice to it 😀. However it is a pleasant surprise to see AMD doing better, even though this is the 13th quarterly loss in a row. I'm starting to think it's actually possible that Jennyh's "gaurantee" might just come true! 😀

BTW, I dunno about including the stock buyback in the non-GAAP figures - most analysts tend to discount those one-time events as obscuring the actual picture. However, little or no analysis yet, just the usual parroting of the official report.

Anyway, it could be that TC and I hafta eat some tasty crow in about 3 months - or at least drop our sigs! 😱

 

[intelx]

Look at their drivers for their IGPs again. Its only for a few games, not all.
Even on their existing gfx, theyre failing to do full coverage of its own market.
Just like their inability to make aero in Vista work, it took forever for them to do that.
What Im saying is, this driver team for LRB is new, and thats good, because their old driver team was woefully inadequate, BUT< this is on HW thats never preexisted bfore, rendered in a way thats not like anything before, and has to cover every game out there, and as long as they yake, the new ones from now til then too.
When new games come out, it takes the polished driver teams a few tweaks/weeks to get their already established HW/drivers to get them working correctly.
Then you have all the old games, and theres no working with devs on them, as those games are done, and arent approachable from a dev standpoint.
Being that all this has to be done, and again, on brand new HW, all in SW with no fixed function units in LRB at all except for TV/BR playback, its a huge mountain to climb, let alone on how well it performs, even at its best

what do you mean by HW? SW? i really want to know what these letters mean i tired searching on google but i get stupid results lol, so can you please slap me with an answer.

 

[jennyh]

hardware, software.

 

[roofus]

I keep saying, Intel = nVidia

Be careful what you wish for there jdj! That is a fear of mine that Nvidia becomes more palatable financially for Intel and they become their GPU division. Not that I care who is parent company to who but I could see dirty pool the likes we couldnt imagine on price wars if that ever came to be.