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Anand comes to question once again, as he proclaims the 5830 gpu a paper launch, later retracted as New Egg put them up fopr sale the same day.
He jumped the gun showing off AMDs new cpus as well, before AMD presented the rest of what they wanted everyone to know, and on thgis bad article, he has a Intel cpu roadmap hugely in the center of it, tho again, he later retracted the add, and made a new article.
We need him to $41+ on Intel 2 or 3 times like this, within a few months time as well, to even things out
 
Anand is a bought and paid for Intel Shill.

I applaud the quality of his past articles but in the last 5 years his website has atrophied to the point where it is no longer useful ... unless you want a warm and fuzzy Intel feel.

Lets face it ... the news feed site connected to it is the worst in the business.

The layout is a disaster.

It loads slow.

One good point - their forum section is quality ... but over moderated and there are no real "Characters" like you encourage here.

We have a lot of fun ... and nobody loses an eye now that the moderation team is a positive one.

Anand has to maintain a negative AMD image ... or Intel will probably cut his "lifeline" with earlier ES and permission to leak reviews before anyone else.

I would now rate Charlies semiaccurate site higher than anandtech, as the AMD and ATI lead news is broken there (or with Fuad A at Fudzilla) well before anyone else, and they also maintain current engineering knowledge on NVidia ... again ... well before anyone else. Bot those sites do not have the reviews like are available here though.

What THG does now have (as it was going downhill 2 years ago) is a superior hardware review team in Chris A, Don W, and some insightful stuff from Markus Y, and a good article here and there from Thomas S.

Maintaining the currency of the existing database by adding new products (reviews on cards, cpus', drives etc) is the backbone of this site ... in terms of being of interest, and relevent to the users out there.

To see how bad a site can go overnight take a look at the venerable old archetype Mike M setup ... the inquirer. Since the core staff left a while back it died ... in the last week a revamp basically sunk it to new lows.
 
True, I dont ever go to the Inq anymore, at all.
Agreed with the top writers here on Toms, thats my list as well.
Im just tired of Anand crapping on AMD, he did this with the mobiles, he did it on Anylists day, now he did it with the 5830, and Im sure Im missing a few as well, also he managed to have a review just prior to ATI new MT drivers awhile back, so they never got a first hand look either.
He does get exclusives from Intel, which is nice, but if he did the pooch as much with them as he "innocently/accidentily" does it to AMD, I again agree, and hed lose those exclusives.
If hes supposed to be that great, hes been lousy lately, spanning months of this, and hes dropped in my eyes as being spot on anymore on anything other than Intel
 

Don't forget Adam Overa. Although his articles are quite rare, it's good to see some Linux stuff here. Although Phoronix is the place to go for lots of Linux-based articles. The problem is that they have so many that the articles are mostly repeats of each other with a different kernel version.



That's a good thing, not a problem. You should check out Real World Technologies.
 


The new design doesn't look particularly impressive to me, just as I miss some core members of the legendary original staff, but there are still interesting bits of "info" here and there. Nick F. and Paul T. are very nice guys. By the way, I laughed all the way to the hospital when I recently checked out their attempts at making 3 haikus.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1590604/sun-schwartz-tweets-goodbye-haiku
 
I really liked the Inq ... but I agree Nick and Paul are both good writers.

Charlie and Sylvie were my favourites.

Charlie has Semiaccurate and Mike has Sylvie on staff at a new site called Techeye ...
 
i'm still amazed that when entering this forum you aren't given a book of matches, and i only skimmed through a few pages.

So first and foremost....did anyone ever figure out the increasing popularity of the french language? I find it hard to picture people not from france (or canada) waking up one morning and proclaiming "i want to be more like...the french"

second i know it was from awhile ago, but my take on the i5 series unpopularity (at least at first haven't been paying much attention in tech circles past few months) is due to the ongoing trend of "new entry level chip.....new socket req that covers the price difference of the chips with HT still enabled!"Intel makes great strides in a wide variety of tech fields, SSD's Ethernet, BUS/interface improvements, they produce ungodly huge volumes of silicone, and their business model of "GIMMIE THAT IT'S MINE, that's not fair we can't figure out how to do that yet so why can they? die-shrinks = new socket designs, if you play with those other guys we won't share our toys with you Mr.OEM and of course putting all their products on the lowest shelf so thier customers have to bend over making it easier for intel to "service" them. They accept the fact that the majority of their customer base doesn't know the difference between a Mac and a Dell, and they embrace it with marketing of half truths and shiny distractions.

AMD on the other hand has almost no marketing department, have 1/20th the resources and still manages to be the innovative of the two, considers what's best for their majority customer base with their designs and is actually more interested in advancement in the tech field no matter how many times they almost go broke to successfully break new ground where intel failed to.

We've had 64bit hardware and OS's around on a consumer level for 7 years, intel couldn't compete in that field, so they denounce it, dismiss it and focus their effort into distracting everyone with shiny things in marketing gimmicks. Vista was supposed to be exclusively 64bit, and dx10 was supposed to include tesilation, it was a selling point in fact that MS coordinated with AMD/ATI to ensure they would have the 2900HD card complete with tessellation ready for Vista launch, as well as optimized vista around A64. Intel's chip sets can barely render XP let alone meet new and improved standards, so they bitched until that along with a couple other features were removed from DX10 so their chip sets could continue to limp along. Same deal with why we got a 32bit version of Vista, intel couldn't break through the 64bit barrier so they had to be accommodated further even after doing all they could to keep people running xp with their 32bit chips. Vista got earmarked as horrible because 32bit version sucked and blew similtaniously because it was never designed with those limitations in mind, so DX10 was useless due to insignificant feature improvements as well as 80 some % of users still running XP which didn't support it.

Yet somehow intel is praised for taking the Pentium pro and P3 designs and turning them into C2/Q, was a great 32bit chip, made amd look horrible since A64 chips in 32bit OS's took a 20% performance hit....but i can't get around how much worse it makes EVERY chip between p3 and C2 look even worse. because even they had to admit thier was no salvaging numerous product designs they marketed the hell out of over most of a decade with their fingers crossed all the while.

The i7 is an impressive chip in performance....if someone gave me an i7 system i'd prolly use it, but not if it means accepting the fact that it will be bested by the tock cycle at a fraction of the price in another 6-9 months and require a system overhaul. Besides which it's overkill for pretty much anyone who doesn't do any rendering extensive video editing or complex scientific simulations. Nice to have, but not justifiable for the majority, but they made a great chip....and all they needed was to license x86-64, IMC design, hyper transport (to tinker with and rename quickpath) and get detailed instructions as well from AMD on how to make a single piece of silicone host 4 cpu cores. But they did throw in that extra memory channel...and brought back HT from the P4 hall of shame. But still....very impressive display of ingenuity. Baffling that the higher performing i7 based server chips limited to a dual socket/8-core server was overlooked in lieu of AMD's 48-core 8 socket configuration...that were already backwards compatible with existing motherboards to the point of AMD selling out of the 6 core chips for the better part of a year 3 weeks before official launch.

Itanium, timna, P4's and larrabee intels biggest cpu investments, the first bombed, the second failed multiple revisions, the third performed half as well as it should of and clocked 1/3rd as high as was promised, and the most recent had one of their longest existing employees in charge of the project throw up his hands after multiple hardware delays, poor yields, design complications and performance issues saying "it's hopeless and never going to work, and i don't want my name attached to it when it crashes and burns at launch, i quit"

It was never going to be a successful GPU anyone capable of basic math skills should have figured that out after the first round of articles on the specs. Has great potential as a gpgpu, but for now it's consumer launch is postponed indefinitely.

Though AMD is "rumored" to have a cloud computing prototype using an 8 socket board, 4 of which are occupied by 12 core (6x2 in single package) server chips, the other 4 sockets occupied by 4 specially designed low power quad core 4870 or 4890 gpu's. 25+ teraflops of gpu computing power across four sockets. But i'm sure larrabee could catch up...years too late i'm sure, but still.

People can only get screwed by intel so much before getting pounded a bit too raw. But doesn't quite matter so long as AMD keeps the trend in their gpu designs.

"in soviet russia, screws intel you!
 
When it came to LRB, I tried telling them. All the Intel fanbois came out and labeled me, it didnt matter I was dead on about LRB, about Intels IGP.
I think i5 is hated somewhat by Intels own, the i7 buyers themselves, which I again tried to tell about. They needed to put down i5 or allow it to be put down, because it performed as well if not better than their precious, was cooler, used less power etc.
Thats a great read ioceed, and tho its in grinding style against the sovereign, it nails it pretty much.
AMD has no marketing, or, its marketing isnt like M$ or Apple or Intel, where they dont need word of mouth to help them along, or sites such as Toms or Anands. No, AMD needs such sites and marketing, they arent a household name, and until they are, theyll have a tougher time.
They need a AVIS POV, and show No.2 tries garder proof/popularity type marketing approach
 
wake me up when jd stops with his 114'th Larabee rant.

I recon his ex-wife must be employed on that project ... and he is keen to get her laid off ...

Or AMD is paying for the lineage.

heh heh
 
Intel has no such experience. It does not have the same experience in developing 3D graphics drivers, and it doesn't have a software team that has been able to evolve in tandem with the hardware development. The technical expertise to develop high-performance graphics drivers on Larrabee-type architectures is something that remains to be seen from Intel. As with Itanium, there is a good chance that the hardware is ready too far in advance of the supporting software ecosystem.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/future-3d-graphics,2560-7.html

This look familiar? And no, I didnt write this .
Its exactly what I was saying for months prior to LRBs cancellation/delay.
And Im no longer married, and if I was, Id rather she be away working heheh
 


Don't worrie JDJ you know Intel has the money so they can buy the expertise they need rite?
Remember your thinking FG can through money at everything and make it better, will Intel should be able to do it too.

 
Steve Peterson, head of marketing of Intel's chipset division, said in an interview with Tweakers.net web-site that Intel was considering new affordable models with unlocked multiplier. Even though Mr. Peterson did not elaborate a lot, he did reveal that the chips would be designed for LGA1156 form-factor and will belong to Lynnfield and Clarkdale families of Core i-branded chips.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20100303151423_Intel_Plans_t😵ffer_Inexpensive_Microprocessors_with_Unlocked_Multiplier.html
Of course, Intel would never do this, as those Intel fans were quick to reply not long ago, as this is what AMDs been doing for awhile, and its the NEW marketing approach, which is very effective.
Also, no reason for the 1366 boys to be upset either eh?

Or, in other words, everything Ive been saying abouit LRB, marketing/top prices/unlocked chips, 1156 vs 1366 etc has been spot on, sorry Intel fans, it has to be this way, its better for Intel and us in the end anyways

PS Intels improved IGPs as well
 
well JDJ, if they didn't listen to Intel themselves about the i7 not being the mainstream desktop CPU, they weren't going to listen to anyone else. i7 has it's niches but they aren't terribly substantial and wouldn't be noticed by a typical gamer or average Joe.
 
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