News AMD breathes life into Ryzen 5000G family with six new chips — Cezanne with up to eight Zen 3 cores and 4.6 GHz boost clocks

[Admin]

AMD is quietly launching six new Ryzen 5000G chips five years after its first release.

AMD breathes life into Ryzen 5000G family with six new chips — Cezanne with up to eight Zen 3 cores and 4.6 GHz boost clocks : Read more

 

[kyzarvs]

My main home PC is a 5700X / 7900XT on a Asus Prime X470-Pro and 32GB of RAM. It started out as a 2700x / 1080ti / 16GB machine.

It goes like stink - I have no problem playing anything at 1440p, for Office and VM work (lots of cores makes working with Hyper-V really rapid) I'm never waiting for it and its virtually silent with an AIO cooler. It's much faster than my I7 laptop and I have never once sat here and thought 'gee, I'm waiting for x to happen'

I can well see that there's plenty of life in AM4 for those that aren't bleeding edge for the sake of it. I'll upgrade when it feels slow, but I can't see that happening any time soon.

 

[Notton]

And then there is this story about some makers giving DDR4 the EoL treatment this year.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...may-stop-producing-ddr4-and-ddr3-by-late-2025

 

[bit_user]

It's not even the Zen 3 part I consider most remarkable. What jumps out is me is that GCN lives on!

These have old, Vega-based iGPUs!

 

[usertests]

I double checked and these six "new" chips are identical to the G/GE chips in CPU/GPU clocks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_3#Cezanne

Not sure what the point is, other than allowing OEMs to put a different name on the box. And I don't know which OEMs are building new systems with these 4 years later. Not that they're terrible or anything.

 

[bit_user]

Not sure what the point is, other than allowing OEMs to put a different name on the box. And I don't know which OEMs are building new systems with these 4 years later. Not that they're terrible or anything.

Perhaps efficiency is improved, or there's some other minor change in support of some sort of regulatory compliance.

 

[artk2219]

It's not even the Zen 3 part I consider most remarkable. What jumps out is me is that GCN lives on!

These have old, Vega-based iGPUs!

Yep, it took AMD a long time to get off of Vega for their igpu's. It was originally created as a relatively low power architecture, that they pumped a bunch of power into so it could compete in the high end. Its why RX Vega's could potentially have given better performance with a drop in voltage, less heat, more clocks. Unfortunately they couldn't guarantee the die's would all run at those lower volts, so the desktop chips have a reputation for hot and loud even though they didn't necessarily need to be. They didn't have those problems on the mobile side where these chips were primarily targeted though. So AMD kept using it as their IGPU chip for years after RDNA and RDNA2 were released.

 

[MXM0]

I suspect AMD continues with Zen 3 because the chips are much cheaper to make than Zen 4 and Zen 5, and provide more profit, despite (slightly) lower performance.

That's something the semiconductor industry will see a LOT more of, going forward. Modern lithography hardware is in the hundreds of millions, per machine, and you can believe that TSMC will want their money back, and then some.

 

[bit_user]

I suspect AMD continues with Zen 3 because the chips are much cheaper to make than Zen 4 and Zen 5, and provide more profit, despite (slightly) lower performance.

Zen 3 is also great for lots of applications, especially embedded (see the GE variants). I have a Zen 3 CPU in my fileserver and it's totally overkill - way more powerful than what consumer NAS boxes use.

It replaced a Phenom II, which was already quite snappy for running software RAID, but I mostly just got concerned about the machine's aging hardware and the quality of support it would receive from successive Linux distro releases.

 

[SocDriver]

I would do this, I have an AM4 ITX motherboard that is going in a 1U server in a few days and if it was not for upgrading my wife's 5600G to a 5900XT I would have tried to get the 5605GE to keep the power draw down. It is just going to run as a fast storage box for an array of four 2.5 SSDs and an old PCI-e 3.0 m.2 raid card. I could run a few services on that APU and it would be find with doing storage and light services on a Linux server. Still lots of life left in AM4 if you want stability over anything else.

 

[Pierce2623]

It's not even the Zen 3 part I consider most remarkable. What jumps out is me is that GCN lives on!

These have old, Vega-based iGPUs!

Damn right. Vega caught tons criticism at times but it’s been a long serving good little iGPU that will eat up every drop of bandwidth that ddr4 can provide and gain performance the whole way.

 

[bit_user]

I would have tried to get the 5605GE to keep the power draw down.

You can still tinker with limiting clock speeds and ensuring the frequency scaling governor is powersave. Your BIOS might also enable you to set custom power limits or Eco mode.

It is just going to run as a fast storage box for an array of four 2.5 SSDs and an old PCI-e 3.0 m.2 raid card. I could run a few services on that APU and it would be find with doing storage and light services on a Linux server.

I would recommend using ECC RAM, though it requires a motherboard which supports it and the only APUs which support it are the Pro variants.
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I went the whole way and bought an ASRock Rack board, although that adds considerable cost. On the plus side, it has a BMC.

https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=X570D4U-2L2T
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The mini-ITX equivalent is:

https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=X570D4I-2T
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[Darkbreeze]

And then there is this story about some makers giving DDR4 the EoL treatment this year.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...may-stop-producing-ddr4-and-ddr3-by-late-2025

Which doesn't matter at all because for the few numbers of people that will actually buy one of these there is plenty of surplus DDR4 stock from basically every major memory brand, to go around. They could stop making it tomorrow and it would likely take several years to deplete what is already sitting on store shelves and in warehouses and factories.

 

[Kona45primo]

Stoked for all the AM4 support. Parents are using my older 8120 rig and it finally lost its GPU. Just picked up a b350 paired with a 570 & 1600 CPU for $200. Going to swap in a 5700g, delete the GPU and update to Windows 11. Hopefully it'll last just as long as the ol 8120.

 

[bit_user]

Which doesn't matter at all because for the few numbers of people that will actually buy one of these there is plenty of surplus DDR4 stock from basically every major memory brand, to go around. They could stop making it tomorrow and it would likely take several years to deplete what is already sitting on store shelves and in warehouses and factories.

There is one very relevant point in that article, which is the concern that DDR4 prices could start increasing, once the mainstream producers leave the market. That could ultimately mean AM4's days as a budget platform are numbered.

That is all very speculative, but it would be enough to give me pause, if I were launching new products, based on AM4 or other DDR4 platforms, that specifically target cost-sensitive markets or applications.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Stoked for all the AM4 support. Parents are using my older 8120 rig and it finally lost its GPU. Just picked up a b350 paired with a 570 & 1600 CPU for $200. Going to swap in a 5700g, delete the GPU and update to Windows 11. Hopefully it'll last just as long as the ol 8120.

I built my parents a pc from my old b450 and 32gb ddr4 in 2023 and tossed in a cheap ryzen 5 4500g and used a wraith prism cooler on it. 500gb nvme drive and foot them checking email and selling on eBay and some printing it’s plenty fast.

 

[Darkbreeze]

There is one very relevant point in that article, which is the concern that DDR4 prices could start increasing, once the mainstream producers leave the market. That could ultimately mean AM4's days as a budget platform are numbered.

That is all very speculative, but it would be enough to give me pause, if I were launching new products, based on AM4 or other DDR4 platforms, that specifically target cost-sensitive markets or applications.

I don't think so, because just as with past generations of DRAM, when people upgrade to these other platforms there tends to ALSO be tons of memory from the last generation that floods the used market and as we know memory is one of those things that very rarely goes bad unless it was bad to start with or somebody DID something to cause it to go bad along the way. For new stuff, likely, but memory is one of the few things I usually am not terribly skeptical about buying on the used market like I am when it comes to graphics cards, motherboards and power supplies.

 

[beyondlogic]

It's not even the Zen 3 part I consider most remarkable. What jumps out is me is that GCN lives on!

These have old, Vega-based iGPUs!

yeah this is just bizarre

amd pencil pusher hey lets axe gcn.

engineer but were still making chips with that !!

its honestly mind numbing that they are still pushing these out.

im guessing these are just rejected parts that they are just tossing out to desktop.

I'm actually not surprised however that they are shoving these out am4 is still a very strong and cheaper platform.

im still using it

the 5900x is a beast of a cpu and does me for both productivity and gaming.

these new cpus however are more laptop based. and im not a fan of the naming


Cezanne vs Vermeer

preform differently

 

[usertests]

im guessing these are just rejected parts that they are just tossing out to desktop.

These are looking 100% identical to existing 65W and 35W Cezanne desktop APUs (5700G, 5700GE, etc). Although it could be argued all of the desktop APUs are the least efficient ones rejected from becoming mobile APUs.

Without testing proving otherwise, these are exactly the same as what they replace, and there was no (good) reason not to sell these under the old names.

 

[beyondlogic]

These are looking 100% identical to existing 65W and 35W Cezanne desktop APUs (5700G, 5700GE, etc). Although it could be argued all of the desktop APUs are the least efficient ones rejected from becoming mobile APUs.

Without testing proving otherwise, these are exactly the same as what they replace, and there was no (good) reason not to sell these under the old names.

um yes there is lol they have one version literally called the 5700 Cezanne without the g when they have a 5700x that's a Vermeer. Cezanne has a cut cache of 16mb vs 32mb on Vermeer and uses pci gen 3.0 vs 4.0

the average consumer would look at 5700 then look at the 5700x and think its the exact same chip.

the average joe isn't going to notice the difference which is why I said I'm not happy with Cezanne naming scheme on desktops ill clarify in general

 

[Pemalite]

Sadly AMD no longer supports Radeon Vega graphics as it's been relegated to the backpile, making this release... Rather silly.

 

[bit_user]

when people upgrade to these other platforms there tends to ALSO be tons of memory from the last generation that floods the used market and as we know memory is one of those things that very rarely goes bad unless it was bad to start with or somebody DID something to cause it to go bad along the way.

I've seen enough RAM go bad, at my job, that I'd generally avoid used stuff. The exception might be if I knew it was good quality and lightly used. Used ECC memory is also something I might consider.

For new stuff, likely, but memory is one of the few things I usually am not terribly skeptical about buying on the used market like I am when it comes to graphics cards, motherboards and power supplies.

Funny enough, I had a used Intel board (remember when Intel used to make its own motherboards?) in my main PC, for more than a decade. That PC also started out with a used PSU that I replaced when its fan got noisy.

 

[mitch074]

Sadly AMD no longer supports Radeon Vega graphics as it's been relegated to the backpile, making this release... Rather silly.

To be precise, it's been relegated to "extended support", meaning it will only get critical security updates - which won't have much of an effect on mainstream, as performance-wise the drivers are very mature.
Still, Vega is quite amazing : I managed to enable RT on Black Myth:Wukong on a Vega 8 iGPU, it actually worked ! Of course, it was on Linux while using the shader-run emulation for it - but it actually rendered well. Nice slideshow, but still impressive for a 5 years old iGPU...

 

[fiyz]

Eh, even if it is more or less much of the same, I still think it gives many team red users a little peace of mind. I think most PC users, understand that our PCs don't need as many upgrades as the parts manufacturers would lead us to believe. Heck, there is a whole economy on the internet focused on selling us more PC's and peripherals. Many of these webpages nowadays are nothing more than a corporate catalog, where all the articles are paid for and written by contracted marketing firms... So to see team red giving their near legacy hardware a refresh is nice. If, God forbid, someones CPU died near its EoL, they would typically be expected to upgrade to the latest generation. At least AMD recognizes that not everyone needs the latest and greatest technology packed into their PC. Some of us, just need our personal computer to keep computing the same way it always has.

 

[Pierce2623]

Stoked for all the AM4 support. Parents are using my older 8120 rig and it finally lost its GPU. Just picked up a b350 paired with a 570 & 1600 CPU for $200. Going to swap in a 5700g, delete the GPU and update to Windows 11. Hopefully it'll last just as long as the ol 8120.

Leave the GPU in there but just hook the video into the motherboard in case dad wants to get into gaming later.