AMD Catalyst Beta Driver with Mantle Support Delayed

[tigger888]

Would you guys REALLY want them to rush a release and give you unpolished crap or wait a little bit and get a version with the bugs IRONED OUT. i take option b.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Would you guys REALLY want them to rush a release and give you unpolished crap or wait a little bit and get a version with the bugs IRONED OUT. i take option b.

The problem is you might have got option A.

 

[skit75]

Why does this article say that the Mantle patch has been released? http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2004531/bf4-mantle-patch-wait-amd-drivers.html

You might not be able to use it but it has been released.

The Mantle patch for BF4 was released. The driver to utilize that patch has not been released. The delay in reference here is the driver.... isn't it?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Why does this article say that the Mantle patch has been released? http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2004531/bf4-mantle-patch-wait-amd-drivers.html

You might not be able to use it but it has been released.

The Mantle patch for BF4 was released. The driver to utilize that patch has not been released. The delay in reference here is the driver.... isn't it?

Yes, that is exactly right and correct!

How comes you have worked that out whilst some of the other posters haven't?

 

[Christopher Shaffer]

Why does this article say that the Mantle patch has been released? http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2004531/bf4-mantle-patch-wait-amd-drivers.htmlYou might not be able to use it but it has been released.

The Mantle patch for BF4 was released. The driver to utilize that patch has not been released. The delay in reference here is the driver.... isn't it?

Yes, that is exactly right and correct! How comes you have worked that out whilst some of the other posters haven't?

Because this article was released over 5 hours before the patch article.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-driver-delayed,25919.html

Now how comes I could figure that out and you couldn't?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Why does this article say that the Mantle patch has been released? http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2004531/bf4-mantle-patch-wait-amd-drivers.htmlYou might not be able to use it but it has been released.

The Mantle patch for BF4 was released. The driver to utilize that patch has not been released. The delay in reference here is the driver.... isn't it?

Yes, that is exactly right and correct! How comes you have worked that out whilst some of the other posters haven't?

Because this article was released over 5 hours before the patch article.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-driver-delayed,25919.html

Now how comes I could figure that out and you couldn't?

Because this article about the patch being released is dated earlier? http://www.tomshardware.com/news/battlefield-mantle-catalyst-drivers,25908.html look at the day not the time, the 30th is earlier than the 31st.

 

[nikoli707]

i would personally take the bugs no problem. amd drivers have never bothered me. i can name quite a few beta games that were horrid.... skyrim one of them, it was near unplayable 2 months before the official release but i still logged 100 hours. i have no problems with errors but maybe because i do lots of beta games for is why i have no problem with glitches. console and apple people have problem with glitches.

 

[skit75]

Why does this article say that the Mantle patch has been released? http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2004531/bf4-mantle-patch-wait-amd-drivers.htmlYou might not be able to use it but it has been released.

The Mantle patch for BF4 was released. The driver to utilize that patch has not been released. The delay in reference here is the driver.... isn't it?

Yes, that is exactly right and correct! How comes you have worked that out whilst some of the other posters haven't?

Because this article was released over 5 hours before the patch article.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-driver-delayed,25919.html

Now how comes I could figure that out and you couldn't?

Seriously?

The driver delay article came out 11 hours later than the BF Mantle patch release article. These are two different subjects. You two are either trolling this Moderator or can't comprehend dates & times.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Why does this article say that the Mantle patch has been released? http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2004531/bf4-mantle-patch-wait-amd-drivers.htmlYou might not be able to use it but it has been released.

The Mantle patch for BF4 was released. The driver to utilize that patch has not been released. The delay in reference here is the driver.... isn't it?

Yes, that is exactly right and correct! How comes you have worked that out whilst some of the other posters haven't?

Because this article was released over 5 hours before the patch article.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-driver-delayed,25919.html

Now how comes I could figure that out and you couldn't?

Seriously?

The driver delay article came out 11 hours later than the BF Mantle patch release article. These are two different subjects. You two are either trolling this Moderator or can't comprehend dates & times.

It's a bit of both but I have one hand on my banhammer and I'm not afraid to swing it but thank you for the support! :lol:

 

[nikoli707]

what is this arguement about. dice officially released the mantle patch. the leaked modded mantle kernal driver is working for some but is buggy as hell. the official amd release of the mantle driver hasn't happened. is this hard to comprehend.

 

[Mousemonkey]

what is this arguement about. dice officially released the mantle patch. the leaked modded mantle kernal driver is working for some but is buggy as hell. the official amd release of the mantle driver hasn't happened. is this hard to comprehend.

For some it seems to be.

 

[somebodyspecial]

I thought that there were more games coming out with mantle such as thief and a few others.

That will all depend on how much AMD keeps paying them to support it. Nobody codes for free for the smallest portion of gpus in the market. We are talking a portion of AMD's gpus which is already only 35% of discrete, while NV owns 65%. Think about how many games USE physx. It doesn't get used unless NV is paying someone so they can make a statement about how great it is. TressFX same story (but at least that works on most gpus). They have to code for PC and 2-3 consoles already (all different) and now Mantle too? Add Android/iOS and you might be talking 5-6 versions? WOW. That's a lot of work to sell ONE game.

If consoles had used this and we were talking last gen using it (retarded but just saying if they did), I'd say completely different stuff. But reality says neither console wants competition or easy porting for their games to other platforms. I have no need to buy a console if I can just wait a few months for a good port. I don't see how this will ever get massively used, as APU's are about to get crushed by Intel's x86 versions (who have now said they are serious about coming for ALL low-end fruit) and by the end of the year or Q1 a bunch of 20nm ARM socs will be coming for low end also. So AMD will be burning from both ends on APU/CPU. Couple that with AMD's already low market share in Discrete and you don't have a lot of people that will be able to use this no matter how great it is.

AMD late again too? I thought we were just waiting on BF4 fixes, but it was also AMD still working on Mantle drivers. You can make a great game for the price of MANTLE optimizations just for this one project? $8million? I hope this is just because they mantle'd the crap out of this one game just to show max/best case scenario that you can get, and that this is NOT the normal cost for such a small audience. The Witcher was made for less than $8mil (witcher 2 went to 15mil due to adding consoles). Coding for more crap isn't cheap.

 

[rolli59]

What a refreshing comment read on a Sunday morning! No surprises here since reading many posts in the forum there are actually AMD card users that believe that mantle was already integrated in BF4 and working awesome! Even selling the cards to other posters based on that misconception.It will be like all other new technology limited support for 1-2years and will either stay or go away after that.

 

[childofthekorn]

I wonder if this new driver will allow me to fold and watch telly at the same time with my 7790?

i don't fold, but i'd imagine you could just set a lower priority to threading and a higher priority to whatever you use to watch?

Trust me when I say that this is not my first rodeo and it doesn't work. An AMD card cannot fold whilst the TV software is running but an Nvidia card can (a 560Ti in this case).

The 7790 and the 560Ti are in different leagues all together...if he mentioned a 7870 I could see your comparison of overall brand functionality.

How so when it comes to folding?

I have limited knowledge of running folding@home. I know its GPU intensive, are you suggesting that ANY AMD Card ("An AMD card cannot fold whilst the TV software is running") would be unable to multitask including other low end AMD cards?

A 7790 doesn't so why would I purchase other AMD cards? It is a GCN 1.1 card after all and as such was the latest and greatest when I bought it.

This whole thing does make think of all the folks who said that Mantles delays were all because of Dice...Hopefully Star Citizen won't be the next game to support mantle. I mean it's not even fully funded and over a year away from a fullish launch. Factor in the seemingly inevitable delays... 🙁

This whole thing does make think of all the folks who said that Mantles delays were all because of Dice...Hopefully Star Citizen won't be the next game to support mantle. I mean it's not even fully funded and over a year away from a fullish launch. Factor in the seemingly inevitable delays... 🙁

Robert Space Industries already announced they support, and utilize, mantle...they were literally next in line from Dice to announce support for Mantle. They've far surpassed the money raised to create star citizen, and have added features to the development cycle because the community pitched so much money to them.

So have they published a release date?

No, they have not. But as to your original post, "Hopefully Star Citizen won't be the next game to support mantle." they've already announced they support mantle.

So had DICE and look how that's turning out! :lol:Just admit that mstngs351 made a valid point and stop being an arse.

Fresh new tech running into complications at launch? Never heard of that before. How is stating that he hopes Robert Space Industries does not support mantle, when they announced they do, a valid point? Furthermore, the tech is still fresh, I'm not expecting it to cause every GPU/CPU to be faster than every one of their competitors products, but free performance is something we should be touting as a good move on a companies behalf. Also its not like the game cannot be played without Mantle, its just another piece of arsenal a consumer can utilize, sometime in the near future of course. They attempt to utilize new tech for gamers, bash them. They are a month late, bash them. When its released and someone gets a boost, albeit lower end consumers, bash them. And I'm the one being an "arse"?

Mantle was first supposed to be released in December last year and was delayed or have you not worked that out? So wishing that any other game doesn't have it and therefore won't be delayed because of it seems like a valid wish. Or don't you get that?

Now this is confusing:http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-mantle-catalyst-driver-delay-labeled-142-beta-gpus-support/Mantle Catalyst Driver Supports All GCN Based ProductsUpdate – AMD has just updated through twitter that their upcoming driver would support and enable mantle for all existing and upcoming GCN based products. AMD also assures further optimization with future released of the catalyst driver. The Mantle Catalyst driver 14.2 BETA will initially feature support for only four GPUs at launch which include the Radeon R9 290X, Radeon R9 290, Radeon R7 260X and the Radeon R7 200 series integrated Kaveri APUs. Kaveri looks more interesting since we have seen upto 50% performance improvement with the Radeon R7 260X and A10-7850K in the official benchmarks. Ofcourse, the press would be able to review the driver release early on and would be given an exclusive 24 hour period to evaluate the features and performance of the 14.2 BETA drivers before they are publicly released.

It should be obvious by now that AMD fans can't get their heads around that! :lol:

Released? That's funny cause it still has a BETA tag on it. Funny how you couldn't "Work that out". Its not meant for a full release up until around 2015. Until then its just open beta. Tell me again how this free software, which is optional, is a bad thing.

 

[cat1092]

I wonder if this new driver will allow me to fold and watch telly at the same time with my 7790?

I hope so, because the current one doesn't, although I can GPU fold on my NVIDIA & watch any video at the same time. Currently, with my MSI 1GB GDDR5 GHz edition, it shows "waiting for idle", though the CPU folds fine with other usage. It's likely that Stanford University (where folding@home originates) will have to make & release the patch themselves. Weird, my Geforce GT 425M with 1GB DDR3 will fold with several pages open, but the MSI 1GB GDDR5 7770 won't, Cat

 

[Nostalgia MadPspmad]

didn't these drivers break the game the moment they rushed it out? Wasn't the publisher EA sued by their investors for this? Or was that just me confusing two stories? I mean I am an NIVIDIA guy and I say AMD does help its users a lot but its odd how glitchy BF4 is.

 

[Christopher Shaffer]

didn't these drivers break the game the moment they rushed it out? Wasn't the publisher EA sued by their investors for this? Or was that just me confusing two stories? I mean I am an NIVIDIA guy and I say AMD does help its users a lot but its odd how glitchy BF4 is.

DirectX support in BF4 was never properly installed. There is a DX folder in your game folder where you can run the DX install and it will add the necessary components. Without this, yes the game is very buggy because it doesn't properly use DX 10/11. Most users have never done this and so still say the game is "broken".

I think part of this was probably because it was planned to be an "either/or" situation with Mantle, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have the DX components installed anyway, so I'm not sure why DICE still hasn't changed this.