News AMD Confirms Ryzen 8000 AM5 Processors With Zen 5 CPU and Navi 3.5 Graphics

[pug_s]

What's the point of adding all the CCU's? Assuming that people are not using graphics cards, people are not going to game using this anyways. Might as well put enough silicon to allow to this to use multiple displays at 4k like what Intel is doing for the last 10+ years.

 

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The inter CCD latency makes zero difference to things like cinebench or video transcoding since you send the workload to the cores once and get the result, the cores don't talk to each other.

It makes a crapton of difference in games though with multi-CCD CPUs often ruining games until something is done to wrangle all of the game's thread onto a single CCD.

The power density also makes zero difference to how much power the platform can provide, that would be a concern on how to cool it if you could give it more power.

Your point being? 2x CCDs or 1x double-sized CCD is still the same power budget. Nothing lost, though you do gain some power efficiency from having only one CCD and only one IOD interface.

If anyone could get a CPU out with 100% more performance at the same price they would sell gangbusters ,no matter if people need it or not, they would upgrade just because it exists.

Plenty of people don't upgrade their system until they feel like their existing one is no longer adequate or, like me, is overdue for a preemptive maintenance upgrade. I couldn't really tell the difference going from an i5-3470 to an i5-11400 in most of my everyday use despite the i5-11400 being about 2.5X as fast on paper. Doesn't matter how much faster and more affordable AMD and Intel make their stuff, I probably won't need it for another 5+ years.

If a moderate power-user like me cannot be swayed by a 2.5X CPU-power increase, chances are 80+% of the market won't care either. Most PCs are in offices and institutions where they are on a predetermined 3-5 years replacement schedule even when the existing systems are still overkill for what they get used for. AMD and Intel would still get most of that money without launching anything new for five years.

 

[Makaveli]

I'm pushing my almost 10 year old system as much as I can and it seems to be 2024 or 2025 for me as well, I need bigger monitor for more efficient home-office, why not upgrade to 1440p gaming while at it and then win10 will die as well. The thing is, in 2024/2025 that possible CPU upgrade up to 2026 on the same mobo is not that appealing to me, it seems too late, I don't really need to upgrade CPU after a year or two and maybe Intel will have compatible mobos for 2 years as well then.
AMD's 4 years look nice at first sight but then 1st year of new architecture? Nah thanks, I don't like to be test subject in general not just AMD. 2nd year is more polished, prices should be better...but do you need new CPU in another 2 years? Probably not. Maybe 6 years would be my cup of tea, buy very good mobo in 2nd year with maybe cheapest CPU and in 6th year go for best CPU possible.

I did that 10 year wait on a socket 1366 i7 970 build from 2009 to 2019 then I went AM4.

 

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What's the point of adding all the CCU's? Assuming that people are not using graphics cards, people are not going to game using this anyways.

The Windows desktop and heaps of applications use hardware acceleration when available, more IGP-power will be necessary regardless of non-gaming.

We are almost certainly going to get CPU variants with small and large IGPs depending on whether the CPU is intended for non-gaming/dGPU or stand-alone gaming/compute. Two simple ways to achieve that are to either 1) integrate the "small IGP" in the IOD/SoC tile or 2) give the GCD/GPU tile a dual footprint that you can slap either IGP slab onto.

 

[TerryLaze]

It makes a crapton of difference in games though with multi-CCD CPUs often ruining games until something is done to wrangle all of the game's thread onto a single CCD.

But games are maxed out anyway already, there could be maybe a handful of games where this would make enough of a difference for somebody to pay so much more money for it.

Your point being? 2x CCDs or 1x double-sized CCD is still the same power budget. Nothing lost, though you do gain some power efficiency from having only one CCD and only one IOD interface.

Ohh, are you talking about one 16core CCD being the maximum in any new CPU?!
Because I thought the conversation was about getting two CCD CPUs with 16 cores each for a total of 32 cores.
Sure, if we are talking about one single 16 core CCD being the max for one CPU then what you are saying makes sense.

Plenty of people don't upgrade their system until they feel like their existing one is no longer adequate or, like me, is overdue for a preemptive maintenance upgrade.

And plenty of people do upgrade every year or at least everytime they see a decent enough difference.

 

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But games are maxed out anyway already, there could be maybe a handful of games where this would make enough of a difference for somebody to pay so much more money for it.

That number is likely to grow in the coming years. For things like (pseudo-)RT, doing some extra prep work on the CPU can make things more efficient on the GPU.

Ohh, are you talking about one 16core CCD being the maximum in any new CPU?!

If AMD decided to bump things up to 32, you'd still be in almost exactly the same situation with quad-small-CCDs too. AMD would need to flank the IOD with CCDs on two sides either way, which would likely require a new socket pinout for efficient power delivery through the substrate and new HSFs to accommodate the new hot spot locations. There may not be enough room under the AM5 IHS to put more than 16 cores even if it wanted to either.

And plenty of people do upgrade every year or at least everytime they see a decent enough difference.

What percentage of the total PC install base would that be? My bet is on less than 3% of computers getting a CPU upgrade before getting discarded by their owner. If we count laptops and similar x86 devices, that is already 80+% of the market with soldered chips where upgrades are simply not an option at all in the first place.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I'm pushing my almost 10 year old system as much as I can and it seems to be 2024 or 2025 for me as well, I need bigger monitor for more efficient home-office, why not upgrade to 1440p gaming while at it and then win10 will die as well.

What's your system specs? I could probably tell you if it'll last that long or not.

The thing is, in 2024/2025 that possible CPU upgrade up to 2026 on the same mobo is not that appealing to me, it seems too late, I don't really need to upgrade CPU after a year or two and maybe Intel will have compatible mobos for 2 years as well then.
AMD's 4 years look nice at first sight but then 1st year of new architecture? Nah thanks, I don't like to be test subject in general not just AMD. 2nd year is more polished, prices should be better...but do you need new CPU in another 2 years? Probably not. Maybe 6 years would be my cup of tea, buy very good mobo in 2nd year with maybe cheapest CPU and in 6th year go for best CPU possible.

I agree with you. This is why I grabbed an R7-5800X3D and doubled my RAM to 32GB. I want to keep my AM4 platform for as long as possible so that when I finally do switch to AM5, it'll be a lot less expensive and a much more polished platform by then. 😊

 

[sherhi]

I just sold my Series X because the one game I did play on it (MLB 23) I can stream to the PC so there was no point in having the console. I have the Switch for my retro NES/SNES gaming but prefer the PC for everything else and that will probably never change.

I had the original PS and the PS2... and have never touched a PS3, 4, or 5.

It's not so much about the high end PC gaming... it's just there's so much more you can do on a PC than on a console... and that now includes streaming console games to the PC.

My streaming experience has been horrible so far so I don't consider it to be reliable and main reason for sitting behind PC for me are games suitable for mouse and keyboard and that does not seem to work with Xbox streaming.

Certainly been a boon to the storage industry, and partially explains the prices plummeting there. Games are huge, so everyone that makes SSDs has little problem selling them. That and the standardization between laptop and desktop at the moment with M.2.

Prices are not plummeting because it's not a problem to sell...if M.2s were selling good they would go up in price, it's basic economics. It's more about combination of new standard being cheap to manufacture and expansion of cloud and streaming services all along higher download speeds. Basically mostly gamers and people really needing fast storage are buying it, also many people already some kind of storage space (older hard drives that can run well over a decade of average use and/or just keep family photos one USB stick...).

 

[ubronan]

Lol what they revealed is the laptop and mini pc cpu nothing else
So for me another 3 to 4 year wait till i see something making it worthwhile to sell dump my 9900 KF
Nothing is so super that i want to upgrade at all, and of course i see nothing in the gaming world coming in the next 8 years which would need a more powerfull machine.
But i admit the 7800X3D is very tempting as it uses so much less power than this still very capable 5 Ghz + cpu
The rest is nonsense their will not be a gpu in the next 5 to 10 years of even further in the future what uses pci-e 4 or 5 slots with the full 16 lanes REALLY used.
I see no difference at all if i set it to 8 lanes or 16 lanes nothing changes performance wise.
So actually if pci-e 6 also is being released in the next 5 year we got another slot which is only used at 4 X pci-e in reality
I see no plans for gpu's going that way in a long time as there is actually not much real progress beside shrinking dies and eating much more power again.
Sure the current are fast but whatever we buy they all suffer on 4K as no cpu will for again ages will not be able to run 4K without struggle and being the bottleneck.
Every benchmark or test showed the cpu is always the bottleneck
Even the current intel monster hot cpu's are capable to run the heavy games not much faster than for instance the 7800x3d ... before people start about the intel cpu's don't as it is a power hog compared to that model.
Yes it becomes hot but in my experience with the big intel cpu's is still that you have alot of trouble to keep the big gun intels cool ( all releases .. 11, 12 and the 13 series hardly ever run at full speeds . Why they constant throttle is easy as these become screaming hot. A few friends actually switched already over to AMD cpu's some to the big 7950x3d others wanted simply the 7800 x3d.
Long story shot intel needs to find a way to switch to 7 nm or smaller
So for me AMD is on all fronts the winner in my view.
And lol nvidia made it's gpu line so expenssive that it is no longer in my options list for my next system.
So it will be full AMD for sure as nvidia gpu's are so expenssive that i refuse buying them.
So no i am not going for nvidia ever again i think as it outprices it self
For the games i play most just strategy games are running fine with all bells on any and all hardware so as with above point all games are cpu limited so no go either.
Before blabbing about that these games can not run at super high settings they almost all can but why should i there is nothing making it better as the so called 4K graphics with all the bling turned on is so freaking bad that it makes me kill the game just after it started 😀
That insane blinking from stuff what NEVER ever will blink like a mirror is so bad that i actually got pissed about it
And no it does not matter which side you choose on brands it is unreal and ugly plants who blink the sun like they send the rays itself ..... pffff so darn ugly
So i run all games at 1440p ... again for ages to come 😉

 

[ubronan]

What's your system specs? I could probably tell you if it'll last that long or not.

I agree with you. This is why I grabbed an R7-5800X3D and doubled my RAM to 32GB. I want to keep my AM4 platform for as long as possible so that when I finally do switch to AM5, it'll be a lot less expensive and a much more polished platform by then. 😊

I kinda must say that i fell for the same useless upgrade of memory but when i check what my system uses during everything i do the mem never ever uses above 8 to 12 Gb of the ram.
Hell my mate ran with his memory hog program on my pc and said your right ..... pfff
So i have 32 Gb mem but nothing uses it besides when i have a smaller game and for fun i put it into my ramdisk 😀
Yes 16 Gb ramdisk does run games insane fast ( of course depending if i must read data alot from disk
However many games seem to have a problem when a ramdisk is running, it looks like these games want nothing in memory and crash. As i tried lowering the ramdisk but even with only 8 Gb set these games fail.
So somehow they want nothing in memory ( maybe even anti cheat who knows 😉 )
Anyway i kinda regret i bought this expenssive set as it does not run as fast as it should, as with 16 Gb it runs at the specs of the maker but with 32 Gb it is end of story i have to fiddle with the settings to get it working.
Before you say i should have bought a set which is made for this, it is on the list of accepted memory up to 64 Gb but my pc vendor actually took the machine in for months and started testing they never got it stable so it runs slower than the so called possible max speed. They actually told me they tested over 57 sets of memory all on the list as being capable of running and switched out the mobo 3 times. They could not get it working like it should.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I kinda must say that i fell for the same useless upgrade of memory but when i check what my system uses during everything i do the mem never ever uses above 8 to 12 Gb of the ram.
Hell my mate ran with his memory hog program on my pc and said your right ..... pfff
So i have 32 Gb mem but nothing uses it besides when i have a smaller game and for fun i put it into my ramdisk 😀
Yes 16 Gb ramdisk does run games insane fast ( of course depending if i must read data alot from disk
However many games seem to have a problem when a ramdisk is running, it looks like these games want nothing in memory and crash. As i tried lowering the ramdisk but even with only 8 Gb set these games fail.
So somehow they want nothing in memory ( maybe even anti cheat who knows 😉 )
Anyway i kinda regret i bought this expenssive set as it does not run as fast as it should, as with 16 Gb it runs at the specs of the maker but with 32 Gb it is end of story i have to fiddle with the settings to get it working.
Before you say i should have bought a set which is made for this, it is on the list of accepted memory up to 64 Gb but my pc vendor actually took the machine in for months and started testing they never got it stable so it runs slower than the so called possible max speed. They actually told me they tested over 57 sets of memory all on the list as being capable of running and switched out the mobo 3 times. They could not get it working like it should.

Oh I couldn't agree more. I only got it because Canada Computers had an "open-box" AData XPG DDR4-3200 2x8GB kit for some stupidly low price, like $40CAD. Since I decided to stick with AM4 and get an R7-5800X3D, I thought that I'd make it last as long as I could. Having 32GB might be a good idea down the line and $40CAD was nothing compared to the cost of upgrading to AM5 at the time. When RAM goes out of production, it can get pretty expensive so I figured I'd grab it now while it was cheap. I knew that by the time 32GB wasn't enough, my whole system would be borderline useless for gaming so I just got the extra 16GB, added it to my existing 16GB and maxxed-out my motherboard DIMM slots.

I had to fiddle with the RAM to get it all running at 3200MHz because Windows originally wanted to run it at 2400MHz. Even when I set the XMP in my BIOS to 3200MHz, it still went back to 2400MHz. So, I tried small, incremental increases and those managed to stick. I eventually reached 3200MHz and that's where it's been ever since. Weird, eh?

You make a good point about having a RAM disk. It would probably be a good idea to make one and stick my page file on it instead of using up read/writes on my SSD or using a slow platter drive.