gamerk316 :
^^ I'm just saying it in advance, because EVERYONE will be informing people to buy PD/EX because "games will be more optimized at the end of the year, because consoles will have more cores".
Trust me, in 2-3 months, you WILL see recommendations like this on a fairly decent basis, picking up as you approach black monday (when I assume the releases will be). And when the people who made these recommendations turn out to be wrong (for reasons I've long since explained), I will be here, saying "I TOLD YOU SO!!!".
tbh, i was kidding. later i asked around and found out that core i3's are selling quite well.
this is a common trend among amd fanboys. every time new games, new hardware come out and they started pushing 4+ core cpus on anyone who wants to build a gaming pc. i am still waiting for the thubans to become relevant. although, if the new consoles indeed can push the cpus, i'll be quite happy.
esrever :
^^Wait 1 year. We shall be back to this topic.
it's not directly related to consoles, but i'd heard this 'gaming will use more cores' line back when 'world's first 6 core mainstream desktop cpu' came out. and every year i hear 'we'll see in a year' or something similar.
years are still passing and i am waiting for the dualcore cpus to take some serious beating in general gaming. by dual cores i mean intel dual cores, including core i3.
blackkstar :
If this is true, it is about AMD shifting games from wanting a single powerful thread into lots of weaker ones. It is not about taking advantage of Jaguar, it's about taking advantage of several weaker cores.
you seem to be under the impression that it's amd who decides how the console cpus will be designed and how console games will be developed. afaik it's the opposite. i hope people better versed in console development can shed some more light on this.
besides, the octo core jaguar architecture could very well be a derivative of the server version of jaguar but heavily customized for consoles. just saying.
blackkstar :
Doing so would benefit AMD greatly. Currently, the ~$125 range is occupied by dual core i3 and 3 module/6 core FX 6300. If games wanted 6 or 8 weaker cores as opposed to two stronger ones, it would put Intel in a very bad position for the budget gaming market.
afaik, no. the hexcore (and higher) fx and phenoms are still low-selling. i am disregarding recommendations because those don't directly translate into cpu sales.
some games, especially multiplayer fps, already gain a lot from multicore cpus vs dual core cpus. intel doesn't seem to be bothered by it much, revenue-wise.
blackkstar :
It is a dream come true for AMD. It will basically force developers to design games around 8 weak cores. When that translates into 8 stronger than Jaguar cores, it'll put AMD into a very good position.
i highly doubt there will be a retail, mainstream desktop version of 8 core jaguar this year, at least. the rumors i've been reading points to 4 cores max, with radeon (gcn/hsa) igpu i.e. apus.
what good position?
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blackkstar :
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-memory-bandwidth-anti-aliasing,3283-13.html
Pitcairn is also better than even GK104 when it comes to memory bandwidth intensive situations. By gaining control of all high end systems, AMD is basically forcing developers to focus on bandwidth intensive graphical improvements over shader based (where Nvidia is strong), and it's forcing them to prioritize lots of weaker threads over a hand full of strong ones.
If this is true, AMD basically just crushed TWIMTBP out of the park, and they're going to get paid to get games optimized for their hardware. And then what would Nvidia do? Approach game devs and want them to optimize for Nvidia GPUs? Because prioritizing PC market over consoles has been the trend for the last 5 years...
no one is crushing anything. if twimtbp and physx crushed amd, then 'gaming evolved', amd's hd3d standard, opencl would never have seen even minor success and vice versa.
nvidia has maintained much better isv relationships than amd so far. amd is getting off their asses but it will take a while to catch up. gaming evolved is a decent start.
when new consoles come out and if they succeed financially, then devs will switch their attention to those and pc will once again become less priority.
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