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Decoder with a bypass?

The reason why CPUs don't read ARMv7/8 in X86 and vice-versa is not technical, as usual, but business/economical and legal.

You can add a big-enough decoder with the capability to read X86 and ARMv7/8 with no problems, but then your decoder will be a bloated mess and use too much die space; enough to impact the actual CPU parts that matter for performance (iGPU anyone? 😛). And that is leaving outside the kernel part of the OS to actually send the instructions. Go tell MS they need to modify the Windows Kernel to support that, haha. I don't really know how IBM did it, nor I do care, but it is possible to do it, just not feasible IMO. At least, not without emulation to be cost effective.

So, given that, I really don't think AMD will deliver a "hybrid" of any sort. It will be one or the other (mutually exclusive) and that's about it...

Also, palladin, you "sound" angry on every post, are you having a hard day or something? haha.

Cheers!
 
uhm i wonder why folks keep on praising these consoles as "optimized" pieces of hardware. there's no magic in what they're doing.

any i5 + $150 gpu can do 900p @ 30fps with 2xAA/8xAF with contemporary games with ease. now are these consoles actually delivering more performance than conceived or less?

barely-there 1080p gaming and these machines are "optimized"? why are we kidding ourselves?
 


They say "optimized" because it is a single hardware setup, which allows close to the metal coding. That eliminates many layers of hardware abstraction, which in turn speeds up performance from the same hardware that would normally be dealing with all sorts of abstraction layers because of the possibilities of hardware choices.

So, essentially, because all PS4 machines are the same hardware, game developers can now code specifically to take maximum advantage of that hardware without having to worry about abstracting certain features of their game through software because your choice of GPU in a PC can be one of hundreds of options.
 

Don't bother feeding the "pc master race" trolls.

They don't understand that PC and consoles can live together with benefits to both.
 


Well, I was fairly happy when my Pentium II was able to emulate SNES games with no frame drops 😛

Anyway... http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/01/hp-slatebook/

Tegra 4 in notebook form. Any bets? 😛

Cheers!

EDIT: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTcwNjQ and http://timothylottes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/re-joshua-barczaks-opengl-is-broken.html

Looks like some people have very polarized visions of the state of OGL. Interesting. Worth a read!
 


I also think that AMD will release repleacable (pin compatible) cores: either x86 or ARM but not any hybrid. (*)

(*) Except x86/ARM hybrids such as Steamroller where the ARM core runs some security background tasks.
 


It's AMD FX
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http://www.tweakpc.de/forum/news/96552-countdown-laeuft-amd-will-hoch-hinaus.html
A guy on a german forum extracted thumbnails from the webpage.
 


Really? Then do you believe the guys selling ARM servers with x86 emulator built-in will be used to play 90's games? :lol: This sounds as when people here claimed that APUs are only for cheap gaming, when everyone else knows that server APUs (e.g. Berlin) are used for something completely different.
 
We dont really have any more details about the upcoming FX Series, apart from the fact that you will definitely be seeing a new high performance x86 (x86-64) architecture within two years.
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http://wccftech.com/amd-fx-series-comeback-two-years-apu-14-confrence-roadmaps/

*still cannot say more*

Juan is still going to somehow try to say I do not know what I am talking about...whatever.
 

likely.
intel is rumored to launch new unlocked i5, i7 and an anniversary edition of unlocked pentium (be !@#$ing still, my beating heart) tomorrow. this may be amd's way of declaration... of something. it'd be crazy if amd launched unlocked apus for laptops undercutting intel's XM series.
 


8350rocks already gave a fine answer above. But I want to comment in two parts that he left out. First that consoles don't use the same hardware than PCs, but custom (optimized hardware). E.g. The PS4 has a custom GPU that is internally named R10000. This GPU has several improvements that you don't find in any Radeon GPU for PCs. PS4 architect already gave talks about the improvements.

Also, first gen games for consoles are irrelevant. Consoles hardware is fixed, unlike PCs where you can upgrade. Thus, performance in consoles is obtained from subsequent code optimization for same hardware. You will start to see the real performance of current consoles in the future.

What is happening now is just what happened with previous PS3/360. First games barely did pass but last games were so optimized for the hardware that those consoles could compete against modern 10x more powerful PCs:

It is extremely frustrating knowing that the hardware we've got on the PC is often ten times as powerful as the consoles but it has honestly been a struggle in many cases to get the game running at 60 frames per second on the PC like it does on a 360
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/314566/carmack-extremely-frustrated-that-pc-is-10-times-as-powerful-as-ps3-360/

I don't think this time we will see consoles competing against 10x more powerful PCs, because approaches as MANTLE will reduce the gap between consoles and PC. I still expect the PS4 will compete against 2--4x faster powerful PCs.
 

I cannot wait for these to come out. I was very close to buying an i7 laptop; now I am waiting.
 


OGL vs DX is similar to AMD vs Intel, linux vs Windows...

When gamerk began posting links about people hating OGL I remained silent because I was expecting the reactions. You mention one, another is from Graham Sellers:

When he was asked "So you're saying the people who have been criticizing lately aren't experienced enough with GL to give criticism?"

His answer was "YES".

He also said

 




You may be masochistic because I ignore you, but you always provoke me to put you in your place again and again. Ok. Then let me say that your posting history shows that you either post nonsense or just repost info that I did post before.

E.g. you are now posting a pair of details about the new FX APU Kaveri mobile, when the day 25 May I posted number of CPU cores, number of GPU cores, Radeon model, L2 Cache, TDPs, memory frequencies.... and not only for the new FX APUs but also of its sister A10, A8...

The funny part is that you are not the first who pretends to gave new info, when it is a copy of info that I gave before same new info. Someone before pretended the same (check above link) He was also sarcastic as you, and he was also replied adequately as you now.

😀
 
 


The first part confirms what I have been saying all along...they are NOT done with x86 HEDT. Yet you insist they are. While the same article mentions that AMD intends for the ARM cores to only operate in embedded and server space. Yet you contend it is intended for DT...?
 
Why would amd make the countdown hype for mobile kaveri when the details of it are already on their site in public view, I'm hoping its carizzo either ready to sell early or a good in depth demo of it. Something strange about kaveri just makes me think carizzo will arrive early or something different is waiting up the amd sleeve, eg wheres the rest of the kaveri lineup? the a a8 7600 got reviewed then disappeared, only 2 a10s on sale here (uk) and nothing else. One can dream, eh? Probably just me falling for the marketing hype again.
I really want upgrade soon from my trinity apu but dont feel kaveri is worth the upgrade atm with no hsa software and its price tag here, atm theres the 130£ 7850k or the 130£ i5 3570K......
 


AMD abandoning x86 HEDT is FUD that you and others here did spread when I showed that your prediction about a supposed forthcoming Steamroller FX CPU for AM3+ was wrong. The other guy even pretended to convince us that AMD was now only a "software company".

We know that AMD is not abandoning HEDT. I have been saying this to you since October 2013 and even before:



Similar comments about your new pretension about the K12 being intended for DT. This is just another thing made in your head...
 


Because someone at AMD did a mistake and published what wouldn't be published.
 
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