AMD Demonstrates World's First Native Quad-Core X86 Server

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well one thing thie DEMO shows is that DAMMIT is close to showing some scores
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Close to showing some scores, during a supposed demonstration of the product? Isn't that what a demonstration is suppose to show - what it can do?

All this presentation did was show what it could possilbly gain over existing server processors. It didn't show it running against existing Opterons or Xeons. It didn't show it running anything, just loading Windows Server 2003 bootup. That's it. No applications, nothing.

It was a presentation. Not demonstration. Period.
 
Did it load windows server 2003 30% faster? 8O Also, I would still call it a demonstration, they showed it working, they just didn't demonstrate it using any benchmarking tools.... therefore, it wasn't a demonstration of the performance, rather, just demonstration that it actually works. Nothing more.

wes
 
*Looks in on the thread* This went to hell real fast.
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I don't think, it's still far from being populated, and when I say populated I mean :twisted: POPULATED :twisted:
As for now, reactions are mild to entusiastic; I really dream of a 68W quad late next year and intel will hopefully bring it even lower on 45nm.
 
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~114496,00.html
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NO ONE CARES ABOUT NATIVE ANYTHING!!!!

stop being BM and 9 inch wanna be amd fanboy

amd native quad core is not better than intel quad "native quad" should stop being used unles it signifies a better product. but so far amd native = crap
 
Did it load windows server 2003 30% faster? 8O Also, I would still call it a demonstration, they showed it working, they just didn't demonstrate it using any benchmarking tools.... therefore, it wasn't a demonstration of the performance, rather, just demonstration that it actually works. Nothing more.

wes
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Loading Windows Server 2003 30% faster than what? Than an install that isn't a clean, new install? Or an Opteron system? If it was a clean install, with nothing else installed, it should load faster than one that has, let's say, an anti-virus program that loads on startup. Loading Windows anything doesn't show anything, except that it can boot it up. If that's all the hoopla was about, it's pretty disappointing. Even the Inquirer (whom I don't really like to use as a reference) was disappointed that all it did was boot Windows.

With so much riding on it's 65nm 4-core CPU, you'd expect alot more than, "Hey, see, it boots up."
 
Funny ---



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So what I think we are seeing right now are traditional marketing tactics – if you don't have a good product, you talk about your future....
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-- Henri Richards, Digitimes Interview March (prior to IDF, referencing Conroe) Link: Digitimes Richard's Interview

Doesn't lightning usually strike in the face of uber hypocrisy?


Then their new-generation micro-architecture (NGMA), is, quite frankly, a quick fix on the front-side bus. I don't think that's the future of the Intel architecture. I think it's another quick fix until 2008 or later, when they're going to come out with a genuinely new architecture. So again, from a pure technology perspective, my assessment is that it's a lot of marketing – it's clever marketing, but it's not revolutionary. And calling it a new-generation microarchitecture is a little bit out of balance.
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I wonder if he is eating his words now, a quick fix is throwing two sockets together, rebranding your server chip, investing capital and buying stock in cooling solutions, to ultimately release a turd:
AMD QuadFx: More isn't better....
BRAVO Jack!
These coments are the best arguments to counter Henri's BS-ing.
Your post deserves a new thread. :trophy:
 
Well they didn't run any programs, just good ol' task manager.
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Maybe you don't understand what Task Manager does. The video actually shows all 16 cores at 100% load. If an early sample can do that, they are on track.

It doesn't matter the app, only the load.
 
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The funy thing about this pic is that if you measure the length and width of one Core 2 die(place a sheet of paper on the monitro and mark the edges of one core) and then place those measurements onto the Barcelona die, you will see that Barcelona is only slightly larger, with 4 cores and 2MB L3.

That's not a huge die size.
 
wow, you must be a die hard amd fan, I like amd, but not so much at this point that I would measure the cpus to prove a point

Just one question, what processor do you have right now, and if you had 1 grand of spending money on a cpu, what would get?
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I have a 4400+ @ 2.3GHz, and I wouldn't spend $1000 on any CPU. FX70 is $599 and will have the horsepower I need when I need it. I'm actually waiting for Vista and an AMD chipset for comparison. One board at launch gives you no choice.
 
just wondering, thats all

Do you think that the agena or athena (which ever is the fx) will be worthwhile for 4x4 to have a comeback, because so far, barcelona does not seem to be that great and I am considering getting an intel in the future
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It's Agena and Agena FX, but how can you say that 100% scaling in a multithreaded game test doesn't need a comeback. The ONLY sore point is the power ( and C2Q SLI is a monster draw also). The NUMA implementation should get fixed with Vista X64 which should even up game perf by doing a better job of swapping before load to get more free RAM per socket. Of course there is also a necessity for

As far as Barcelona, there has not been one benchmark so how can you make a judgement? The demo was of 16 cores at 100% load, so it already shows they are doing a good job of evenly distributing the work. Real demos won''t come until Apr for a Jul launch.

I guess the next demos will be each core throttled differently.

If Agena can do for K8 what Core 2 did for Core, then it will be the monster from the pit. I don't think there will be a lot of Agena SKUs though as there is a dual core Barcelona planned which will be mainstream along with mobile.
 
Saying Barcelona doesn't look impressive just because there weren't benchmarks being run at its first running demo is silly. Check out the specs on it, and one can expect significant performance gains over the current K8. How well it will perform is really up for grabs, and we'll have to wait to find out.

The Agena dual-cores will be the mainstream desktop versions, much as C2 is for Intel's lineup.

But, unlike the EOL Pentium D EEs, I wouldn't expect the price of an FX-62 or FX-74s to stay in the stratosphere after the release of the Agena cores.

Ok, was starting to et worried that amd was going to fall apart from what the others are saying
And do you think it will be worthwhile for me to run a barcelona cpu on my asus crosshair? Or would I need am2+ to see a difference (mobo)
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Nah, I don't expect HT1.0 to hold back the new CPUs much at all. You'd get nearly the entire boost in performance. HT3.0 is really aimed at the extremely high end at first, where quad-cores need all the breathing room they can get.
 
Yes, I thought we had this discussion -- it is roughly slightly over 300 mm^2 die size. 1 Core 2 Duo is 143 mm^2, so 2 are 286 mm^2.... 300 mm^2 is huge.

It is the largest Die AMD has made yet.
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I haven't been able to find the OFFICIAL die size but I can say that if current Opterons are at 200mm or so, meaning that is 30% increase for two more cores and 2MB L3.

If you were to take 286mm for 2 Core 2 then Nehalem would have to be 45nm to be less than 300mm, depending on cache size.
 
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