News AMD Fires Back With 7 New Chips, Flagship $449 Ryzen 7 5800X3D Lands April 20

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AMD announced its flagship Ryzen 7 5800X3D and six other new chips that lower the price of entry to the Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 ecosystem.

AMD Fires Back With 7 New Chips, Flagship $449 Ryzen 7 5800X3D Lands April 20 : Read more

 

[wifiburger]

AMD is so trash, the only reason we got these refresh cpus + 300series support & price drops is 100% thanks to Intel 12th gen.

Instead of having CPU refreshes every 6moths, lowering prices, add more SKUs + providing support for their platform they did nothing for years.

the best of this announcement is Zen2 cpus in 2022

 

[King_V]

a well-rounded chip that will grapple with Intel’s venerable Core i5-12400 that dominates most best CPU for gaming lists.

Umm, I probably wouldn't use that particular adjective, given that the 12400 is the new budget gaming king in town.

That said, I'm really looking forward to the reviews of the new chips when they come out. The 4000 series will be interesting. I imagine the 12th gen i3 will outdo it in single core and gaming, but the extra cores/threads compared to the i3 will likely make the 4000s a better general purpose chip, while still being a capable gamer.

I feel like I'm drawing conclusions that are making me look like Captain Obvious, though.

 

[-Fran-]

Leaving the fact that the 5800X3D is a wild card at this moment, the rest of the lineup really feels "too little, too late". The 5600 and 5500 should have been introduced last year, at least in low volumes and the 5700X is stupid at this point when the 5800X is hitting such low prices. I don't even know what AMD is thinking with this lineup...

Hm... I can't see it any other way.

Regards.

 

[alceryes]

Well, supposedly, the 5800X3D will be the new 'king of gaming'. This is according to AMD, of course. We'll see what the dozen or so reviews say when the review embargo lifts on the 20th.

My crystal ball says that the cache gains will be enough for it to take back the gaming crown. I'm curious to see what kinda heat this stacked cache emits.

 

[alceryes]

Leaving the fact that the 5800X3D is a wild card at this moment, the rest of the lineup really feels "too little, too late". The 5600 and 5500 should have been introduced last year, at least in low volumes and the 5700X is stupid at this point when the 5800X is hitting such low prices. I don't even know what AMD is thinking with this lineup...

Hm... I can't see it any other way.

Regards.

They want to try and fill in the budget chip segment would be my guess.
There's still a LOT of people on mid-performance Ryzen 3000 chips waiting for a good, cheap leap in performance. This may get them to jump.

 

[sizzling]

Well, supposedly, the 5800X3D will be the new 'king of gaming'. This is according to AMD, of course. We'll see what the dozen or so reviews say when the review embargo lifts on the 20th.

My crystal ball says that the cache gains will be enough for it to take back the gaming crown. I'm curious to see what kinda heat this stacked cache emits.

The issue I have is if I wait for the reviews of the 5800X3D and don’t try and buy at launch I expect that it will go out of stock and never be seen again. I will likely order it if I can actually get it in the basket and return it before opening if the reviews don’t hold up.

 

[alceryes]

The issue I have is if I wait for the reviews of the 5800X3D and don’t try and buy at launch I expect that it will go out of stock and never be seen again. I will likely order it if I can actually get it in the basket and return it before opening if the reviews don’t hold up.

Yeah, I bet there will be a run on them too.
If you don't get it now you may not be able to for a while due to supply issues.

 

[saunupe1911]

My 5900X + Aorus Master build is my first and last AMD build. PBO and AGESA is so buggy. Overclocking is a complete tedious chore with each BIOS.

I'm going to keep it a few more years and switch back to INTEL with those stable all core clocks.

 

[King_V]

Leaving the fact that the 5800X3D is a wild card at this moment, the rest of the lineup really feels "too little, too late". The 5600 and 5500 should have been introduced last year, at least in low volumes and the 5700X is stupid at this point when the 5800X is hitting such low prices. I don't even know what AMD is thinking with this lineup...

Hm... I can't see it any other way.

Regards.

With regard to the 5700X, I imagine that street prices will be notably less than the MSRP. If not, well, they'll be collecting dust on the shelves.

I think the lower-end chips will move downward in price for the same reason. Also, there's two segments that AMD is hitting - people on older Intel systems who are looking for a budget replacement, in which case, they're competing with 12th gen Intel, or, those already on AM4, but looking to upgrade from Zen, Zen+, or Zen2 with their existing MB.

That's my guess, anyway.

 

[saunupe1911]

Well, supposedly, the 5800X3D will be the new 'king of gaming'. This is according to AMD, of course. We'll see what the dozen or so reviews say when the review embargo lifts on the 20th.

My crystal ball says that the cache gains will be enough for it to take back the gaming crown. I'm curious to see what kinda heat this stacked cache emits.

The AGESA updates will just break PBO at some point just like it has with the rest of Zen3. Choose your motherboard wisely.

I definitely would wait on reviews and also pay attention to the forums to get real world feedback. I bought into the AMD hype after upgrading from my 6700K (still going strong as my PLEX server).

It was great until BIOSs started getting quirky to compensate for Windows 11+AMD compatibility bugs.
And yeah definitely pay attention to see how well it performs on Windows 11 since the rest of Zen3 takes a performance hit

 

[jacob249358]

These better be lower than the MSRP. No one is going to buy an impaired 5600x for the same price as a 12400. Abandoning the sub $300 market was a terrible mistake. They should've launched these much earlier. The only cpus I could see working out are the lower-end ones. The 4100 and a cheap b550 will probably be preferred over the 10100f and a $90 b560. The 4500/5500 would be competing with the 10400 and I am excited to see the performance and the street prices. But the CPU that was really necessary, is the 4600g. Imo the 5600g was a bit too expensive considering an apu should be budget orientated. Hopefully, the 4600g won't be inflated but only time will tell.

 

[magbarn]

My 5900X + Aorus Master build is my first and last AMD build. PBO and AGESA is so buggy. Overclocking is a complete tedious chore with each BIOS.

I'm going to keep it a few more years and switch back to INTEL with those stable all core clocks.

I wish I could go back to my rock solid 5900x/Asus B550F build but I already sold it and bought 12900K/TUF z690 D4 to replace it. Nothing but WHEA errors and crashes (9 page thread here )have to run 3090 at PCIe 3.0 speeds. Not to mention my NHD15 can't cool the 12900K without either cranking up fans to 100% in my 4000D Airflow or limiting power to less than 200watts while my 5900x with the same setup ran with PBO all day long while being relatively quiet. Grass isn't always greener....

 

[rluker5]

5800x3d is cheaper than I expected. Same as the 5800x launch price.
After a point increasing cache size has diminishing gains. Also results vary per game.
If you want something neat from AMD get one fast, otherwise wait for reviews. Might not hold it's own vs an OCd 12700k.

Edit: My 12700k with a ND15 can run at 240w, but I only use that much stress testing it. Usually 70w or less gaming 4k60, using 10w right now with light usage. Can drop it into the 30s watts on many AAA games. It is the most stable build I've had for years with all of my bios presets. The only time I shut it down or restart it anymore is either windows updates, or I feel like changing a preset to enable 512, disable E-cores, boost clocks to 54,53,51 for numbers or drop them to 49,48,47 for less volts, etc. Also use crappy kingston value ram 4800c40 at 5333c34. Stability problems on alder are often from undervolting the E-cores too much at overclocks and from trying to keep lower bandwidth DDR4 timings from older chips on the new memory controller layout of Alder.

 

[saunupe1911]

I wish I could go back to my rock solid 5900x/Asus B550F build but I already sold it and bought 12900K/TUF z690 D4 to replace it. Nothing but WHEA errors and crashes, have to run 3090 at PCIe 3.0 speeds. Not to mention my NHD15 can't cool the 12900K without either cranking up fans to 100% in my 4000D Airflow or limiting power to less than 200watts while my 5900x with the same setup ran with PBO all day long while being relatively quiet. Grass isn't always greener....

That's interesting!!!!! Are you on Windows 11? It's seems AMD and Intel are still figuring it out from a BIOS/Driver standpoint while also still supporting Windows 10.

 

[hotaru251]

AMD is so trash, the only reason we got these refresh cpus + 300series support & price drops is 100% thanks to Intel 12th gen.

Instead of having CPU refreshes every 6moths, lowering prices, add more SKUs + providing support for their platform they did nothing for years.

please share what you're smoking.

so AMD is trash for:
not releasing new cpu every 6 months & not giving more sku when we were/are in a tech shortage on many thigns....why would they? More ppl want mid and upper tier stuff than bottom of barrel.

lowering prices? maybe check price before you say this? all the 5000 cpu ARE below MSPR.

providing support? AMD has gone S tier on Support for AM4.


Literally everything you say AMD is trash for Intel has done for basically forever. (except SKU...they LOVE to have more than needed)

Neither company is "good" (they are a business in it to make $ business 101) if you think differently you need reality check ;/

The 5600 and 5500 should have been introduced last year

likely pandemic delayed.
we had tech shortage and you wanna make/sell whatever is selling best and has best sale to profit payoff. Also 5800x is sold a lot more than ppl assume (it just had a really questionable spot early on)

do agree its late though.

My crystal ball says that the cache gains will be enough for it to take back the gaming crown

title specific.
its lower clocks (and non oc) means it WILL be slower than a non 3d version if the application/game can actually USE the extra cache...which most games likely will not.



TBH the budget low end and the 5700x are only value i see from the lineup.

$99 for zen2 isnt "bad" & most interested in the 5700x vs the 5800x. Only real "downside" of the 5800 is its heat (not near 12th gens but still its oddly hotter than the rest of its brothers above and below its performance). question will be how much it can boost/oc as if it can hit the 5800x's speeds while using 5600x's tdw could fix that heat issue.

 

[jacob249358]

please share what you're smoking.

so AMD is trash for:
not releasing new cpu every 6 months & not giving more sku when we were/are in a tech shortage on many thigns....why would they? More ppl want mid and upper tier stuff than bottom of barrel.

lowering prices? maybe check price before you say this? all the 5000 cpu ARE below MSPR.

providing support? AMD has gone S tier on Support for AM4.


Literally everything you say AMD is trash for Intel has done for basically forever. (except SKU...they LOVE to have more than needed)

I kinda disagree with you. Abandoning the lower end of the market to maximize profits is a scummy thing to do. And yeah all the 5000 prices are below MSRP but only because they wouldn't sell at the prices before alder lake. The prices were around MSRP for a year before alder lake dropped. I think what @wifiburger is saying, is that AMD kinda abused its position at the top. And intel did not do those things. The motherboards last 2 generations which isn't that bad. The i7 2700k which would be a high end CPU launched for $332. Adjusted for inflation that is $410 dollars today. The 12700k launched for $450 and quickly came down to around $400.

 

[-Fran-]

I kinda disagree with you. Abandoning the lower end of the market to maximize profits is a scummy thing to do. And yeah all the 5000 prices are below MSRP but only because they wouldn't sell at the prices before alder lake. The prices were around MSRP for a year before alder lake dropped. I think what @wifiburger is saying, is that AMD kinda abused its position at the top. And intel did not do those things. The motherboards last 2 generations which isn't that bad. The i7 2700k which would be a high end CPU launched for $332. Adjusted for inflation that is $410 dollars today. The 12700k launched for $450 and quickly came down to around $400.

Uh? xD

Don't kid yourself here. Intel, nVidia and AMD do "abuse" (push their advantage, as it is not illegal) their position whenever they're on top. That's what Companies do. Do not, for a second, stan for any of them as they only care about your money and not your well being or happiness.

Regards.

 

[digitalgriffin]

They are a little late to the party with Zen 4 and Raptor Lake around the corner. But better late than never. This puts AMD CPU's close to parity with Intel's lineup. Although the 5800X3D is still overpriced.

 

[digitalgriffin]

The issue I have is if I wait for the reviews of the 5800X3D and don’t try and buy at launch I expect that it will go out of stock and never be seen again. I will likely order it if I can actually get it in the basket and return it before opening if the reviews don’t hold up.

As the margins will be low, it will be a bragging rights chip with FEW produced. The rest of the "Stacked" chips will go into server lineups.

 

[jp7189]

I wish I could go back to my rock solid 5900x/Asus B550F build but I already sold it and bought 12900K/TUF z690 D4 to replace it. Nothing but WHEA errors and crashes (9 page thread here )have to run 3090 at PCIe 3.0 speeds. Not to mention my NHD15 can't cool the 12900K without either cranking up fans to 100% in my 4000D Airflow or limiting power to less than 200watts while my 5900x with the same setup ran with PBO all day long while being relatively quiet. Grass isn't always greener....

It seems like asus is having a challenge with their pci5.0 slot implementation. I have the aorus master z690 and no problem on the pcie slot (also on a 3090) but ddr5 memory doesn't hit the rated speed and timings aren't as tight as what asus owners report. Its a whole lot of new tech in one platform- hybrid cpu, ddr5, pcie5. Not to be cynical, but expect early adopter teething issues. FWIW, intel dropped a new chipset driver ~2 weeks ago that fixed some weird cpu parking behavior that I was having. Otherwise the system is rock stable through long gaming sessions.

 

[hotaru251]

Abandoning the lower end of the market to maximize profits is a scummy thing to do

its been during a chip shortage. Companies have investors to please. (again business 101)

it may be scummy, but if ppl want "low end" they have options in the prior generations that ae also discounted due to being last gen. (still really good cpu's)

And yeah all the 5000 prices are below MSRP but only because they wouldn't sell at the prices before alder lake. The prices were around MSRP for a year before alder lake dropped.

MSRP of a 5800x was $449 and its entire life cycle its NEVER been above msrp. they were sub $400 over 250 days ago.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qt...e-processor-100-100000063wof?history_days=730

5600x? same thing. literally msrp or lower since day 1.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g9...e-processor-100-100000065box?history_days=730

ALL AMD cpu lower in price over time. It had nothing to do with alder lake. price dropped before it was close to being out.

is that AMD kinda abused its position at the top. And intel did not do those things.

intel did that for a YEARS until Ryzen hit market. Ryzen is LITERALLY the only reason Intel actually lowered its cpu prices. Don't even try to claim Intel hasnt ever done this. If not for AMD pricing ryzen so cheap Intel wouldnt of ever made them as cheap as they are.

AMD even now is cheaper than performance per $ than intel was back when it was king..and intel NEVER gave the kind of support AM4 has had.


AMD isnt w/o issues but never try to claim intel is. as between the 2 intel has done far worse.

 

[jp7189]

I should add I opted for Intel this go round specifically because AM4 is so long in the tooth. Tried and true vs cutting edge - both have their pros and cons.

 

[drivinfast247]

My 5900X + Aorus Master build is my first and last AMD build. PBO and AGESA is so buggy. Overclocking is a complete tedious chore with each BIOS.

I'm going to keep it a few more years and switch back to INTEL with those stable all core clocks.

It's the Gigablow Aorus Master that's the issue.

And why are you trying to OC 5xxx Ryzen??

 

[Soaptrail]

The AGESA updates will just break PBO at some point just like it has with the rest of Zen3. Choose your motherboard wisely.

I definitely would wait on reviews and also pay attention to the forums to get real world feedback. I bought into the AMD hype after upgrading from my 6700K (still going strong as my PLEX server).

It was great until BIOSs started getting quirky to compensate for Windows 11+AMD compatibility bugs.
And yeah definitely pay attention to see how well it performs on Windows 11 since the rest of Zen3 takes a performance hit

Why are people on Win11 with AMD hardware, that is crazy at least until Win11 is no longer a real world beta.