Thanks to all of you guys. After doing some research I found that the Intel i5-3470 is better for me, I might even get the i5-3570K if I find a good price. Just one last question is the motherboard MSI Z77A-G43 a good board for overclocking the i5-3570K? Thanks again guys 
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Thanks to all of you guys. After doing some research I found that the Intel i5-3470 is better for me, I might even get the i5-3570K if I find a good price. Just one last question is the motherboard MSI Z77A-G43 a good board for overclocking the i5-3570K? Thanks again guys
While it is a Z77 board...you'll want to look at something like the Asus P8Z77 or Asus Z77 sabertooth, or something like the Asus Maximus. You could also go with something like the Asrock Z77 Extreme9 for solid overclocking, Gigabyte's Z77 UD3 is a good option, and so is the MSI Z77A-G65.
When you're overclocking, you want maximum control of the power you're putting to the CPU, which means really good VRMs and entry level boards don't typically have such features.
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RedDave :
Thanks to all of you guys. After doing some research I found that the Intel i5-3470 is better for me, I might even get the i5-3570K if I find a good price. Just one last question is the motherboard MSI Z77A-G43 a good board for overclocking the i5-3570K? Thanks again guys
While it is a Z77 board...you'll want to look at something like the Asus P8Z77 or Asus Z77 sabertooth, or something like the Asus Maximus. You could also go with something like the Asrock Z77 Extreme9 for solid overclocking, Gigabyte's Z77 UD3 is a good option, and so is the MSI Z77A-G65.
When you're overclocking, you want maximum control of the power you're putting to the CPU, which means really good VRMs and entry level boards don't typically have such features.
What about Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H and ASRock Z77 Extreme4?
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Of those 2, I would lean toward the Asrock Z77 Extreme4. Just keep in mind, if you go intel...your build will cost you quite a bit more to do a good intel build and overclock it. The difference in cost between the FX8320 and the i5-3470 is about $30 or so...but when you factor in the motherboard for the intel is also another $30-80 more expensive (depending on your choice)...you can see it pushes build costs up pretty quickly.
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That's going to be pretty abysmal if you're going to do anything graphically demanding.
I know Tom's review basically alluded to using intel's HD4k graphics by saying, don't do it...unless it's in a pinch to update BIOS or something. Intel is not typically known for their built in graphics being good. So I would recommend you get a GPU as quickly as possible...because you certainly won't be playing something like BF3 on HD4K
I know Tom's review basically alluded to using intel's HD4k graphics by saying, don't do it...unless it's in a pinch to update BIOS or something. Intel is not typically known for their built in graphics being good. So I would recommend you get a GPU as quickly as possible...because you certainly won't be playing something like BF3 on HD4K
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The core clock on the HD 7790 is significantly faster than it is on the HD 7850, and there are nearly as many processors. There is a slight gap in bandwidth, which is why I said it was just shy of the 7850...but really...the difference would be negligible.
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If your talking about ALL-AROUND computing, the 3470 takes the win for me. It'll perform up to 50% more than the 8320 during single threaded programs(not just single threaded programs, but programs that use 4 cores or less, a lot of programs and games). And it only performs 10 maybe 15% at the most, worse that the 8320 in multithreading. You can even make up for that 10% if you overclock the Base Clock .2Ghz, which you can do.
To me, it's worth it to give up 10-15% on multithreading to get UNREAL single threaded performance and gaming performance.
THere's a common misconception that games only rely on the GPU. That's false. Sure if you play games like Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3 at 1920x1080 and MAX out the settings then you won't notice but a couple FPS(personally I care about those FPS). But then, if you want to go play some online MMO that only uses 1 MAYBE 2 cores then you'll notice a MASSIVE difference. Like 30-50FPS out of 100. Since those games are online they rely heavily on the CPU and they rely heavily on single core performance, which the 8320 doesn't have much of. Therefore it's really a poor choice if your going to be playing online multiplayer games. Just read Tom's reviews of League of Legends and DOTA. You'll see that it takes an i5 to get the most out of those online games.
This is why I say get the 3470. It's good at EVERYTHING. Not just SOME things and bad at other things. It's an all around good CPU.
Btw, why don't you get an i5 3350P? It's a QUAD core i5 just like the 3570k, only it doesn't have HD4000 graphics, which you won't need anyways. Sometimes it can be found for 159.99 instead of 229.99 for the 3570k. Normally it's 179.99 but I'm sure you can find a deal.
Does anyone see my point? It's not like the 8320 is a "bad" processor. It's actually quite good in multithreading. It's just not that much better than the i5, and it's a whole lot worse with single threaded programs and games. And there are a TON of single threaded programs and games to consider before making a decision. Sure you can say "well I'm going to always be using multithreaded programs", but you don't know that. I never new I'd be playing MMO's like world of tanks, but I am. The 3470 is good for whatever you run into. Personally I've never used a program to this day that used more than 4 cores. But that's for what I do.
Actually, to be quite honest, if I had a choice, I'd go for the 8320 simply because it can overclock. You can squeeze 5.0Ghz out of that thing easily. It still won't be nearly as powerful as the 3470 in single threaded tests but it won't be as far behind as it is stock. If your going to overclock there's no reason to get an 8350 when you can just grab an 8320 and overclock, am I right about this 8350rocks?
But if you don't plan on overclocking, do yourself a favor and get a 3350P. You'll have the most powerful CPU core for core on the market. At least until Haswell comes out.
To me, it's worth it to give up 10-15% on multithreading to get UNREAL single threaded performance and gaming performance.
THere's a common misconception that games only rely on the GPU. That's false. Sure if you play games like Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3 at 1920x1080 and MAX out the settings then you won't notice but a couple FPS(personally I care about those FPS). But then, if you want to go play some online MMO that only uses 1 MAYBE 2 cores then you'll notice a MASSIVE difference. Like 30-50FPS out of 100. Since those games are online they rely heavily on the CPU and they rely heavily on single core performance, which the 8320 doesn't have much of. Therefore it's really a poor choice if your going to be playing online multiplayer games. Just read Tom's reviews of League of Legends and DOTA. You'll see that it takes an i5 to get the most out of those online games.
This is why I say get the 3470. It's good at EVERYTHING. Not just SOME things and bad at other things. It's an all around good CPU.
Btw, why don't you get an i5 3350P? It's a QUAD core i5 just like the 3570k, only it doesn't have HD4000 graphics, which you won't need anyways. Sometimes it can be found for 159.99 instead of 229.99 for the 3570k. Normally it's 179.99 but I'm sure you can find a deal.
Does anyone see my point? It's not like the 8320 is a "bad" processor. It's actually quite good in multithreading. It's just not that much better than the i5, and it's a whole lot worse with single threaded programs and games. And there are a TON of single threaded programs and games to consider before making a decision. Sure you can say "well I'm going to always be using multithreaded programs", but you don't know that. I never new I'd be playing MMO's like world of tanks, but I am. The 3470 is good for whatever you run into. Personally I've never used a program to this day that used more than 4 cores. But that's for what I do.
Actually, to be quite honest, if I had a choice, I'd go for the 8320 simply because it can overclock. You can squeeze 5.0Ghz out of that thing easily. It still won't be nearly as powerful as the 3470 in single threaded tests but it won't be as far behind as it is stock. If your going to overclock there's no reason to get an 8350 when you can just grab an 8320 and overclock, am I right about this 8350rocks?
But if you don't plan on overclocking, do yourself a favor and get a 3350P. You'll have the most powerful CPU core for core on the market. At least until Haswell comes out.
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I gotta agree with 8350rocks on this though. The 7790 is not far off from the 7850. Not far off at all. In fact, the 7790 is suppose to really react nicely to overclocking. I heard AMD didn't want them clocked too high as they would perform too close to the 7850.
I find the 7790 to be a way better deal than the 7850. 7790 is about 140$ usually and 7850 is usually 180$. If your going to spend 7850 money, you should just get the 650Ti Boost for 10$ cheaper. Tom's review says it's faster AND it's cheaper. You can't beat that.
You can even find a 650Ti boost 1GB for 160$. That's the way I would go for sure. Unless your strapped for cash then get the 7790.
Tom's doesn't even recommend AMD GPU's in this price range anymore like they used too. Nvidia just has better performance for the money here, as of right now. All of this changes from month to month though and there's plenty of reasons to get one over the other.
I like Nvidia for: Driver updates, 3D Vision 2, PhysX Effects, and a lot less runt/dropped frames compared to AMD cards in Crossfire. So if your ever going to crossfire those 7790's(if you can do that), then you need to think about all the runt/dropped frames AMD cards have problems with when they're in crossfire. It's not like AMD cards in crossfire are a huge disaster. It's just that Nvidia cards perform noticeably better in SLI than AMD cards do in crossfire due to the runt/dropped frames. Personally I think that this just speaks to the quality of Nvidia cards and their drivers.
I find the 7790 to be a way better deal than the 7850. 7790 is about 140$ usually and 7850 is usually 180$. If your going to spend 7850 money, you should just get the 650Ti Boost for 10$ cheaper. Tom's review says it's faster AND it's cheaper. You can't beat that.
You can even find a 650Ti boost 1GB for 160$. That's the way I would go for sure. Unless your strapped for cash then get the 7790.
Tom's doesn't even recommend AMD GPU's in this price range anymore like they used too. Nvidia just has better performance for the money here, as of right now. All of this changes from month to month though and there's plenty of reasons to get one over the other.
I like Nvidia for: Driver updates, 3D Vision 2, PhysX Effects, and a lot less runt/dropped frames compared to AMD cards in Crossfire. So if your ever going to crossfire those 7790's(if you can do that), then you need to think about all the runt/dropped frames AMD cards have problems with when they're in crossfire. It's not like AMD cards in crossfire are a huge disaster. It's just that Nvidia cards perform noticeably better in SLI than AMD cards do in crossfire due to the runt/dropped frames. Personally I think that this just speaks to the quality of Nvidia cards and their drivers.
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I didn't even realize my posts were for nothings. I just went back and read all of the post and the OP already chose the 3470. Lol.
The advice I would give you would be:
-really, just get a 3570k for around 209.99$ and get an Asrock z77-Pro3 motherboard for 94.99. This'll make your total cost be almost 300$ on the dot. Most AMD fans say Intel motherboards cost more. That's completely false. I can find Intel motherboards just as cheap as AMD. Just look on pcpartpicker.com, the prices are about the same.
-if you want a cheap graphics card that performs really well for a great price I'll give you one. This is my favorite price/performance GPU. GTX650Ti(regular). You can find them for 125$ right now. If you want to go cheaper than that, get a 7770Ghz Edition. I can find those for 99.99 right now. That's the cheapest card I'd get though. And if you want to make sure you can play everything, then get the GTX650Ti Boost 1GB for 159.99.
The advice I would give you would be:
-really, just get a 3570k for around 209.99$ and get an Asrock z77-Pro3 motherboard for 94.99. This'll make your total cost be almost 300$ on the dot. Most AMD fans say Intel motherboards cost more. That's completely false. I can find Intel motherboards just as cheap as AMD. Just look on pcpartpicker.com, the prices are about the same.
-if you want a cheap graphics card that performs really well for a great price I'll give you one. This is my favorite price/performance GPU. GTX650Ti(regular). You can find them for 125$ right now. If you want to go cheaper than that, get a 7770Ghz Edition. I can find those for 99.99 right now. That's the cheapest card I'd get though. And if you want to make sure you can play everything, then get the GTX650Ti Boost 1GB for 159.99.
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I was quoting Tom's Hardware there. So take it up with them. They say that AMD didn't want the 7790 clocked too high as it would compete with the 7850. And the 7790 is a good overclocker despite it being clocked high already. Either way, the GTX650Ti boost is the better buy in this space. And when you gaming at 1080p and at settings that's playable on a 7850, you'll never need that 256 bus anyways. Using Tom's as my reference, there isn't a huge gap in performance between the two cards at 1920x1080.
And I never said which card overclocked better. I said the 7790 overclocked well.
What are you arguing for? None of the points I made were wrong.
I'll see if I can find the 7790 here in my country as I don't think it is avaliable yet or I'll go with the 7770 as for nvidia GPUs they are really over priced in here so I'll stick to AMD for the GPU. Thanks guys for helping choose the best parts for my new build I really appreciate it.
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