as someone else said, Intel has not hardly even started to realize the potential of 65nm. They are still using an outdated architecture, namely, Netburst. The new architecture of Conroe... comebined with 65nm, I think we will see a drastic performance increase. AMD will have a very hard time keeping up.
history has shown that intel brags and brags in press release after press release. AmD just does their work and lets everyone know it. I wouldnt count AMD out just because intel is more vocal about what they are going to do, but havent done. a whole lotta market manipulation comes outta intel.
I don't count AMD out. However, while right now I might buy an AMD for it's stock speed/price advantage over Intel, I'd buy an Intel right now because of the overclocking factor, because Intels overclock better than AMDs... and an overclocked Intel is faster than an overclocked AMD. In the future.. I'd buy an Intel, because Intel would be faster at stock than an AMD, and the Intel would have a better overclock potential. 
Never do I say that AMD is bad, I would be very happy and satisfied if AMD were all I had, but I like Intel better.
Never do I say that AMD is bad, I would be very happy and satisfied if AMD were all I had, but I like Intel better. ak47is1337
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cas 1.5 is only on ddr ram if it was on ddr 2 oh man imagine the performance holy crap 8O btw ycon i think i have met you before do you live in new york area?
Any winbond chips made in the last 3 years can hit 250mhz@1.5-2-2-2...including the chips im using right now XD
1.5 cas is hardly supported by AMD, as no programs can make any utilization of the extreme low latency. Also, if I really wanted to I could probably do a64 tweaker at 1 cas latency and do tests perhaps. btw, i read ddr2 gives a 10% performance increase at best, but hopefully AM2 will be a lot more than just new memory ><
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f*ck samsung. low latency > high frequency
my winbond chips don't go above 260...but thats fine with me seeing as how no samsung chip can hit even 2-2-2-6 past 230 :O
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That's the beauty of capitalism. 😀
BTW nothing against AMD, but i've always preffered intel in terms of quality. As people have said intel chips overclock more than AMD, that shows you that intel makes a good product.
There's also another rule in capitalism, if you haven't noticed.
This is why American brands are known around the world. It's called Marketing.
You can tell someone all you want to get an AMD because its faster and cheaper.
But, that's the equivalent of telling some one who drinks pepsi/coke to try safeway select cola.
You see, intel has an image in most people's heads. Just like pepsi or coca cola.
They did this through clever advertising, and making a dependable product.
So whenever i see intel i see a good product and it makes me feel better. understand?
This is something those tech nerds at amd have yet to realize.
It's a matter of personal choice.
Some people prefer a brand, because they grew up with it.
That's the reason you have fan boys.
BTW i think it was a really stupid idea on intel's part to abandon the pentium name.
After all,
"It's all about the Pentiums." 8)
Peace.
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Bad idea? It has killed Intel's name brand. It was outperformed by AMD time and time again...they need to start fresh.
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No, there are a boatload of customers who have lost trust in intel because of that. Even though you might think the only people who know jackshit about CPU's are nerds in their basement, you fail to realize the public is catching onto some of the performance benifits of AMD as AMD gains more and more market share. The surprising thing is that they will keep the Xeon series, which is getting pounded by the Opterons, and dropping the Pentium M's which actually hold their own.
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Frankly, i've never heard of AMD before i went to a tech school.
Even all our computers in our labs are... guess what? INTEL P4s.
Most people get a Dell, dell doesn't sell amd. capish?
Its all rigged. but thats the way the world works.
The hero doesn't always win, as much as Hollywood would like you to believe.
Even all our computers in our labs are... guess what? INTEL P4s.
Most people get a Dell, dell doesn't sell amd. capish?
Its all rigged. but thats the way the world works.
The hero doesn't always win, as much as Hollywood would like you to believe.
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dell could be selling AMD before long. Enough people complain and they will, just as what happened with Nvidia and Dell.
I don't count AMD out. However, while right now I might buy an AMD for it's stock speed/price advantage over Intel, I'd buy an Intel right now because of the overclocking factor, because Intels overclock better than AMDs... and an overclocked Intel is faster than an overclocked AMD. In the future.. I'd buy an Intel, because Intel would be faster at stock than an AMD, and the Intel would have a better overclock potential.
I totally dissagree with that statement. You pit any athlon X2 overclocked to 3Ghz and it will BEAT any PD at 4Ghz. Have you not seen the Opteron 165's that people have overclocked to 3GHz?? (thats a 1.2GHz overclock) What do you mean Pentium D's overclock better?
What do you mean Intel will be clocked faster? ONLY IF AMD stops upping processor speed. When 65nm comes around we'll see speeds of 3-3.7GHz for AMD, along with DDR800. Intel MAY have a slight lead in performance for a SHORT time, until AMD releases their 65nm. [/b]
Just my $0.02
To get a PD to 4.5ghz youneed a lot of luck, and a water cooler. To get a DC opteron to 3ghz, you need a lot of luck, and water cooling.
At those speeds, the chips are generally fairly even, unless you include gaming benchmarks. Then the opteron would just destroy the P4.
Since games are the only thing I do that is cpu intensive (well I do F@H a little), I'm not all that interested in the newest hottest chip.
At those speeds, the chips are generally fairly even, unless you include gaming benchmarks. Then the opteron would just destroy the P4.
Since games are the only thing I do that is cpu intensive (well I do F@H a little), I'm not all that interested in the newest hottest chip.
The last so call promise I recall was that Core duo would have the same battery life as Pentium M. As it turns out, it's longer.
Even if it's less than quoted 20%, it's nearly half the TDP and half the price of same clocked AMD cpus.
Intel needs to compete on new levels. The old ones are geting closed by AMD's law suite. :?
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Short memory/ all that was heard for months about 3 years ago was "the hammer" which was pushed back for months.
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You have to admit though, Intel's engineering does not keep up with its marketing! Look at what they are saying about Conroe...3 times or more powerful than prescott? ARE YOU JOKING ME? They have horribly disappointed with Pentium 4 and Prescott way back when too, so would you really be surprised to find that Intel has yet again slacked off to our expectations?
Since AMD's marketing consists of funding bicycle races and commercials at 4 in the morning, they always astound us ! AMD advertises in subtle ways...such as having their exec's talk shit about Intel products in public 😀
Since AMD's marketing consists of funding bicycle races and commercials at 4 in the morning, they always astound us ! AMD advertises in subtle ways...such as having their exec's talk shit about Intel products in public 😀
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TheMaster's father is probably following the outdated belief that because Intel can make their own motherboards and chipsets (which they do and require ALL THE TIME for upgrades) that they somehow have a "reliability" difference over AMD. Stupidest thing I've ever heard, as AMD's will run 100% fine on even a via chipset. Also, once you add up multiple systems/systems, the heat and power consumption of Netburst starts to catch up with you...very, very fast.
AMD is kicking ass in the server market for a reason. Where Intel holds a chance on the desktop market and does well in the laptop market, they get absolutely pounded in the ass when it comes to servers.
AMD is kicking ass in the server market for a reason. Where Intel holds a chance on the desktop market and does well in the laptop market, they get absolutely pounded in the ass when it comes to servers.
the disadvantage of amd is wall street
no the processors, how many of us fall in the mhz as a criteria for buying decission?
second, even when amd release the opteron which was the first dual core processor intel retain the major market share
rigth now I prefer amd
not to be so oc (less mhz)
I think if amd give room and let intel catch them everybody of us will suffer so I suggest keep choosing amd and let intel fry in their own grease
and pray god amd became a private company
no the processors, how many of us fall in the mhz as a criteria for buying decission?
second, even when amd release the opteron which was the first dual core processor intel retain the major market share
rigth now I prefer amd
not to be so oc (less mhz)
I think if amd give room and let intel catch them everybody of us will suffer so I suggest keep choosing amd and let intel fry in their own grease
and pray god amd became a private company
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