News AMD is purportedly preparing Ryzen 200 "Hawk Point Refresh" APUs — Ryzen 7 255/260 set to replace the Ryzen 7 8745H/8845H series

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Golden Pig Upgrade Pack alleges that AMD is refreshing Hawk Point under the Ryzen 200 series of APUs to counter Intel's upcoming Arrow Lake mobile family.

AMD is purportedly preparing Ryzen 200 "Hawk Point Refresh" APUs — Ryzen 7 255/260 set to replace the Ryzen 7 8745H/8845H series : Read more

 

[Notton]

Okay, so if they do a refresh of the AI 300 (Strix Point) sometime in the future, it's going to get the same number, right?
It's not going to be something stupid like 371 and 376, right?

 

[SonoraTechnical]

Love to see a new Ryzen AI 9 available in a mITX board...

Ryzen AI 9 MAX 395: 16x Zen5 cores CPU, LPDDR5X-8000 support, 40CU RDNA3.5 iGPU, XDNA 2.0 NU, support for 2 PCIe5 NvMe drives.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...ports-lpddr5x-8000-as-opposed-to-lpddr5x-7500

 

[abufrejoval]

Darn, they caught up with me!

I've been hunting Phoenices, because they offer great value!

With those 7xxx numbers they obviously no longer sold that great when everybody had moved on to 8xxx or, well now Strix Blabla xxx something: they were obviously grandfather material, generations out of date and thus sold at bargain prices.

Now they are fusing off the NPU nobody wants and sell those older parts as brand new, probably much more expensive than some un-reborn Phoenix! Darn again and now I'd have to pay them for what they are worth in terms of the parts that I actually use?

I guess I'll just have to switch to Intel oversupply/underappreciated for the good deals...

 

[abufrejoval]

Love to see a new AI 300 available in a mITX board...

Ryzen AI MAX 395: 16x Zen5 cores CPU, LPDDR5X-8000 support, 40CU RDNA3.5 iGPU, XDNA 2.0 NU, support for 2 PCIe5 NvMe drives.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...ports-lpddr5x-8000-as-opposed-to-lpddr5x-7500

You may not like the compromises...

Essentially beyond these Phoenices the road forks: you can go left with soldered faster LPDDR5x RAM, which maintains the iGPU performance uplift of Strix Point, or right with DDR5 SO-DIMMs, where RAM can grow at least to 96GB, but the iGPU may struggle to outperform a 780m for lack of bandwidth.

And then it's hard to say of you're better off with the compact cores or if you should instead aim for 8 full cores that clock through the full range without the need to migrate to another core.

At the current prices, you can simply get two Phoenices for one Strix Point. Or one Phoenix fully equipped for the price of a Strix Point barebone. Who knows, there might even be a Dragon Range HX variant with 16-cores (and V-Cache?) at the price of a brand new Strix Point!

And just how much value is there in an NPU, when they throw in an RTX 4060 into a €750 Lenovo LOQ ARP9, that also games really much better than perhaps even a Strix Point Halo will?

Did you know that NPUs don't run LLMs faster, only with less power?
How much is that worth on a Mini-ITX vs an RTX?

I know, I know, they manage to whet my appetite, too: it's their job and they are good at it!

But please use the brain which earned you those Euros or Dollars they'd like you to spend recklessly to make a wise choice.

And take advantage of the fact, that the bigger the hype they create for the newest product, the bigger the shadow that hides the previous generation gems.

P.S. case in point: Minisforum BD790i is a Mini-ITx and includes a Ryzen 9 7945HX with 16 cores at €500 total. No V-cache, but a mean piece of compute for a budget price anything Strix can't come close to beat.

In fact with that you still have €1000 left you'd have to spend on a Strix notebook and that buys you a lot of RAM, SSD today. Even an RTX 4060 can be fit into that, they still have those at around €250.