News AMD launches Ryzen 8000G ‘Phoenix’ APUs, brings AI to the desktop PC - reveals Zen 4c clocks for the first time

[purpleduggy]

Ever heard of the AMD STRIX Halo?

16 zen5 cores mated to a 40CU RDNA3.5 graphics core. Slated to come out end of this year or early 2025.

https://www.techpowerup.com/315319/...-halo-and-signficant-ai-performance-increases

looking forward to that, thanks for the link

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

This could easily turn out to be the biggest rumor bubble in history and a confusion of actual information with fiction. It's entirely possible that there is a pre-soldered product with that much logic that is...a car computer. So, someone may have misinterpreted a piece of information to be a preparation for a product for use in the PC niche, because of some resemblance to an Apple product.

Umm okay, it’s on AMD’s official “Mobile Roadmap”. By your same logic, for all we know Intel’s next gen ultra APU could just be for the Tesla in-car entertainment suite….

 

[George³]

Umm okay, it’s on AMD’s official “Mobile Roadmap”. By your same logic, for all we know Intel’s next gen ultra APU could just be for the Tesla in-car entertainment suite….

0k, there is a name, no characteristics. Well? Why are you associating this future product, not with the 16CU, but with something completely different, with features that are a wet dream of the followers of this company?

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

0k, there is a name, no characteristics. Well? Why are you associating this future product, not with the 16CU, but with something completely different, with features that are a wet dream of the followers of this company?

Ummmmmm okayyyyyy……did you even look at the official mobile roadmap???? It literally says “Strix Halo 16C Zen5 + 40CU RDNA3.5 graphics core”

 

[thestryker]

Ummmmmm okayyyyyy……did you even look at the official mobile roadmap???? It literally says “Strix Halo 16C Zen5 + 40CU RDNA3.5 graphics core”

Which official published by AMD roadmap gives any specifics? As far as I'm aware they've never even officially acknowledged Strix Halo exists only Strix Point. Everything regarding Strix Halo has been leaks.

I'm not saying it won't exist, but it won't be coming to desktop even if it does so it doesn't really matter either way.

 

[Cooe]

This chips actually aren't "Phoenix" based. They actually use the new "Hawk Point" updated stepping (just like the new 8000 series laptop chips) with its massively goosed NPU clocks as well as seemingly better boost clock residency in general for like +≈10% more CPU performance (even if rated maximums haven't changed).

 

[thestryker]

Hmm just realized looking at the lane counts that the two Phoenix 2 based APUs will only have 4 lanes for primary PCIe. Not that I think they're a great purchase in the first place, but that makes them a bad buy if the plan is start integrated and add discrete later.

 

[abufrejoval]

Doesn't that mean that now AMD is doing at least two different die layouts for APUs?

On the high-end any six core CCD was most likely a salvaged die, either due to downright defects or voltage/wattage/clock issues.

In case of the APUs there are obviously also bins, but I'd say that there has always been the issue that there really weren't enough bad dies to make these middle segment APUs in volume to match Intel's castrated chips. Even worse with the lower end like 4 core chips, which have mass appeal to budget PC makers, but foundries try very hard not to have these at all.

We saw AMD resurrect Zen 2 cores and really small iGPUs to create a matching offer on fab processes that got cheaper near retirement.

Yet since Zen AMDs strategy was to use as little distinct dies as possible for a maximum of products to be more cost efficient as a foundry-less CPU designer.

You can't switch cores between Zen 4 and Zen4C, so it seems practically set in stone, that they are doing distinct dies: Isn't that worth at least a mention?

Because it implies a potentially larger trend where AMD will start to create quite a large variety of distinct physical chips to match Intel's broad range of price/performance points.

And where are we in terms of ISA parity between Intel and AMD on Zen 4? Are the control flow enhancements for indirect branch tracking now included on AMD? AMD only supported shadow stacks, while everything Intel since Tiger Lake had IBT...

Just asking because Linux kernel support finally seems to round out on that.

 

[purpleduggy]

Ever heard of the AMD STRIX Halo?

16 zen5 cores mated to a 40CU RDNA3.5 graphics core. Slated to come out end of this year or early 2025.

https://www.techpowerup.com/315319/...-halo-and-signficant-ai-performance-increases

I guess Strix Halo will become the Playstation 6/XBOX Series X2?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p_1x3O90L4

 

[George³]

guess Strix Halo will become the Playstation 6/XBOX Series X2?

No. Will be too old and weak in rumored configuration to 2028. Maybe if change CPU part with cores with optimised ZEN 6 and graphic part with CU's with rDNA 5. With GDDR7 shared for RAM/VRAM. But didn't bet on that.