AMD mantle and Nvidia Gysnc who will win?

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in you guy's opinion, what do you think is more important, AMD mantle API that will help push innovation graphics visuals and remove Stagnation from software. (this in my opinion will shame and blame lot dev teams that just horrible at optimization if they can't even get mantle work properly )

or Gsnyc from Nvidia that is suppose remove shutters/screen tear (without vsync) and input lag made from Vysnc.

from my opinion, it would seem a good TN panel monitor with 120HZ/144hz should remove 90% of issues that Gysnc seems be tackling, then price of Nvidia cards is not justified, not in australia anyways
(capping your FPS removes input lag 59fps or 119fps)
as mantle will make Crossfire scaling and issues that they have with it gone. i don't know... it just seems like lately nvidia is kinda butt hurt or something.

Don't get me wrong i use go with Nvidia due to there good drivers, but i had enough paying stupid high price, for what seems lack of innovation and just max profits not such more care for consumer.

AMD on other hand with this API is big thing for me as it helps push gaming genre forward. and i wanna support that. i don't have screen tear issues or shutter issues. if i do i don't notice it on either my IPS panels or my Tn 120hz panels.

i do see reason of Gsnyc for low end hardware, but monitors are pricey... so what would be point in end if i can just get 2 good cards with good 120hz monitor... all issues that gsync talks about is solved, i could be wrong but i only notice issues if you drop fps on uneven FPS like 46 or so... anyone with right mind that cares about tear and shutter would not be cheaping out on there GPU's.
 
easy, what is better for gaming industry and consumer. in the end that will lead to victory. just like Nvidia physx it was a phase that faded out, a lost for Nvidia as it they thought would given them upper hand.
 
As I see it, Gsync is the bigger thing at the moment as everyone who experienced it first hand say it is fantastic.

Mantle, on the other hand, is hype only at the time - if you take a look at the AMD CES video where they show Mantle performance in BF4, claiming "up to 40%" fps increase and 280X beating 780Ti's ass, you can see that the FPS counter displayed is complete horseshit - when the big number is showing ~110 fps, the in-engine stats show only ~45-55 fps.

Just look at it yourself - go to 31:00
 


are you talking about fps dip? :/ okey.... not sure what your getting at tho
 


No. I'm talking about the small text in the right upper corner. The second line is showing FPS reported by the game engine and it is 2x smaller than the BS one AMD was trying to show as real FPS.

First line: Rendered by Mantle (some code)
Second line: Frame Rate (53 fps when the big green number says 106fps)
Third line: Benchmark (F11)
Fourth line: GPU Memory Allocated ... etc.

Run a Crysis benchmark - you will see the same kind of data reported directly from the game engine.
This AMD demo is utter BS PR move.
 


Doesn't matter, no ones wins, both companies will carry on. These are just blinks in the eyes of these companies. In my opinion, both are great and will benefit users on either side.

 
As far as I remember AMD will have a solution for this Vsync as well
As a consumer who is not a fanboy and not rich, I am thinking around 270x/gtx 760 or 280x/770 line for a 1080p monitor.
Personally I could run most of the games in decent settings over 60 FPS ( maybe not in max ultra settings).
In my opinion if AMD can make this Mantle good ( I wait and see for real life benchmarks) and their Vsync system good, then AMD win (would win if there would be 280X around £220... maybe later on again)
For me Nvidias system seems to be way more expensive, just like 4K at the moment. Yes, it is nice, yes it is awesome and next gen but it cost a fortune both the display and both the hardware to run them at the moment
 


Coming from someone who has always bought AMD but just recently switched to Nvidia I can tell you Nvidia cards are overall smoother and the driver support literally makes AMD's driver support look like a joke.

All in all, I run an FX 8350 cpu and I have always stuck with AMD but after suffering for over 3 years with horrible support for crossfire and even single cards and incredible instability on some random titles I had to switch. All of the titles that my AMD cards failed at, my 780 now handles with ease, with no bugs. Whether Mantle is amazing or not AMD's gpus are sadly unstable and that is a general consensus from most people who have owned any AMD gpu, they've had some issue.

I will end my statement on a less bias note and say that of course my observations are all anecdotal, and that AMD really does have some great gpus out there right now. Probably the best in quite a few years.
 
Mantle is sounding sketchier and sketchier every day. I'm a long time fan of AMD (not to say I don't like nVidia either), but I'm not sure how much will come from Mantle. They really missed a good window of opportunity to show it off with Battlefield 4. If they do get it up and running, it could prove to be the next DirectX, or it could be a total flop. I'm guessing the later.

In the big picture though, both companies will power ahead. They must be doing well with all this ridiculous prices.
 


so far there is very little info about amd freesync. but from what little i know they intend to use v-sync for their solution which is the main problem causing input lag. with current monitor implementation we have either screen tearing or input lag and both cannot be tackle at the same time. this is what g-sync try to solve. no more compromise between screen tearing or input lag.
 
I say lets wait (as I am going to buy a card i the next half year or so) and wait for these technologies to come out and commercialize. As G Synch is too expensive for me at the moment, but I am aware it will be cheaper in the future and with freesync offering the theoretically the same for cheaper plus the theoretically good Mantle, It might be worth to go AMD after that
I know that I might sound like a fanboy or something, but actually I still have hope in AMD.
I mean they introduced Mantle as a big thing with large FPS gain and freesync as a good technology. I mean they should be at least good. Hopefully
 
to be honest i want amd to show how freesync works with real game. so far there is none. at the very least when nvidia announced g-sync back in october they demo g-sync with real games to convince people. about mantle it is hard to say right now. the performance boost might be big but will dev easily jump to it because of that? because in the end they still need to code their game in directx or opengl for nvidia and intel customer. yes nvidia or intel can adopt mantle in the future but will nvidia and intel will do so? if amd want nvidia and intel to adopt mantle they have to invite nvidia and intel to co-develop the API. if not the prospect for nvidia or intel to adopt mantle is close to zero. if amd have total control of the API development it will put nvidia and intel at their mercy.
 


Gsync is the real deal. Ive had it for quite a few weeks now. It has completely eliminated all tearing or stuttering, and there is no lag. I run a pair of 780's on my Asus 144hz monitor. Its buttery smooth with no artifacts.

Mantle? Its nothing more than an optimization in reality. Like everything else AMD, its marketed very early, and it will be very very slow to be released. Its not even available on any games yet. BF4, the one game its slated to used on is in itself a broken "alpha" game. How long do you think its going to be before its even available on a handful of games? Probably a couple years in reality. And even then, insiders at AMD even state its going to only offer about 5-10% improvement on framerates in reality. No different than a really good driver update. It sure isn't going to turn your midrange graphics card into a top end performance beast. Games where your card run OK at best will still basically run OK with a small boost, that's it.

 
"Freesync" is also worthless and is also YEARS away from being implemented. There is a reason why AMD showed a weak alpha demo of it on a LAPTOP. Too many technical reasons why it will probably never be brought to the performance desktop arena.

 


I agree with most of what you said, but Mantle's biggest strength is to limit CPU overhead. Games that are CPU bound, will see much better improvements.

However, as you said, it is not even on a single game yet, and it'll be some time before a few are available.

G-sync works now, on every game, and it is awesome.
 


Yes, that is my biggest fear

AMD cannot produce what they advertised and the gap between ATI and Nvidia features will be bigger
The only thing that I can hope is that coinmining gave them loads of money and they can start making proper software support so does extra things as this freesync good

What do you think when will Gsync have a reasonable price?

 


To me, G-sync already was at a reasonable price. I got my Asus 24" 144hz monitor with the Gsync module for $450 shipped a few weeks back. I mean, that Asus monitor can be had for about $250..........add on another $200 for the module.......$450. Name me another monitor for under $500 that has such a high refresh rate and incredibly good ANSI contrast that is in perfect synch with your GPU eliminating all artifacts without lag for that type of money.

Exactly.

 
well because it is a fresh technology there is none
It could be awesome for you but sadly I cannot afford any monitor around that price range and by $200 you mean reasonable priced then we have different budgets it seems

But what were you trying to prove here?
 
If you wanna play, you gotta pay. To me $450 wasn't a big deal, considering it was still just a fraction of the cost compared to my 2 780's. Regardless, even if you cant afford $450 right away, you can always pay $250 for just the monitor itself and just upgrade the module when the money becomes available.

Regardless top tier products and technology cost money. To me, since I am running high end cards, it would be pointless to have them(or any GPU setup that can run well north of 60fps)without a supporting display setup that can support their performance.

 
Mantle supports GCN so there is a bigger customer base, G-Sync is a niche product $200 for a DIY Kit and Monitors will cost $499+. No doubt which will have the greater adoption.

Both technologies are a boon for gamers
 


And if Mantle could run on the 6xxx series Radeon cards the customer base would be even bigger.
 
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