AMD Now Shipping Quad-core Llano APU to OEMs

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[citation][nom]Destroysall[/nom]So is this going to have a socket all on its own? Or can it be used on an AM3 socket board?[/citation]

Good Question. It is rumored to use Socket FM1. Intel had to do this with their CPUs that use on-chip GPU. This makes sense because the socket AM3 boards do not have the connections for the on-die graphics.
 
[citation][nom]Sihastru[/nom]There's something fishy about the Intel driver in the comparison, it's 8.15.10.2276, that is a 32bit driver on a 64bit OS (?). Also the driver is VERY old, the latest Intel driver for windows 7 x64 is 15.​21.​12.​64.​2321.This looks more and more like last year's comparison between the Zecate APU and the mobile Intel i5 platform. AMD was destroying Intel in those tests, but when it came out, Zecate could barely compare to the Atom D510/D525.[/citation]

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&ProductFamily=Graphics&ProductLine=Desktop+graphics+controllers&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+HD+Graphics
that should answer that question of fishyness
i will let the release dates and driver numbers speak for themselves
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]All I need to know is can a netbook with one of these play games.If it can, what sort of performance?Unreal Tournament 3?Crysis 2?[/citation]

Netbooks with the E-350 series fusion APUs are already hitting the market and they perform about the same as the intel atom in terms of CPU performance but significantly better in terms of video and consume slightly less power. the llano series APUs are probably too powerful to stick in a netbook and would essentially defeat the purpose of having a netbook 😛 basically, they're a better graphically performing atom alternative that's cheaper than an atom + nvidia solution.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1470/8/
 
I find some reports confusing. The APU's are either the best thing since apple pie or it really isn't that higher performing than what is currently available.
I hope AMD has some cool tech here, but I suppose we won't know for sure until we get solid reviews.
 
Ill wait for one of these netbooks. Been trying to buy something cheap for my wife that had some decent graphics. And this is it.

Since flash/HTML5 all use hardware acceleration now, this can only mean good things for us.

Plus, as gamers, its also a good thing to have a wide base of PC's that can actually do some decent gaming. Hopefully, that means more PC games in general.
 
I wonder if the Llano uses less power too in standby.

I don't see myself running a cad program, watching a movie, and running an automated excel sheet at the same time.

It is entirely possible that the mobile i7 still has longer battery life when browsing, or doing the small stuff.
 
@ProDigit10

so why the hell are you getting a i7 if all your doing is some browsing and other 'small stuff' a i3 or heck even an atom be more then capable of what you need.........
 
Llano will use far less power for its CPU cores at idle than Phenom II did thanks to the power gating not found in previous models, plus the fact it's on a 32nm process.

captaincharisma - Bulldozer is already with OEMs. Not really a fair comparison! :)
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]All I need to know is can a netbook with one of these play games.If it can, what sort of performance?Unreal Tournament 3?Crysis 2?[/citation]
I'm sure the aim of the Llano hybrid is to play Cryris 2... Come on guys! Net-books usually have a gig of RAM at most, even if the processor was a workhorse, you'd be lacking elsewhere. That goes for well with Unreal Tournament 3.
 
I don't think the Llano chips are going to be able to work in an AM3 motherboard. If you have a motherboard with an integral graphics chip like a 790GX which is what I have, it will have to be able to either take over the VGA. HDMI, or DVI connector from the onboard graphics chip, or crossfire with the onboard graphics chip.

Unless the current generation of onboard graphics chips were designed for that, I don't think the graphics chip driver programmers are going to be able to retro-fit that capability with driver upgrades. And in the case of boards, without an onboard graphics chip what are they going to do for VGA HDMI, and DVI connectors?

I'm pretty sure that even if Llano can use the AM3 processor socket, they still won't be able to get the graphics off the motherboard and to the monitor with any existing motherboard.
 
@Prescott_666

push the frame buffer through the southbridge and have a riser card in a PCIE slot spit it out to the connectors, not sure if a BIOS revision could do that or if they need a brand new southbridge altogether
 
From what I've read, the MSI 870-890 am3 series chipsets will support future am3+ bulldozer-FX series of processors. These processors aren't APUs, though, and from what I've read it said FX series specifically. That might have something to do with the fact that the llano ones are fusion APUs rather than more traditional CPUs. Apparently there's talk of asus and gigabyte following suit, but I'm not sure how that impacts the llano-based APUs or the future trinity bulldozer-core APUs that are both apparently AM3+.

I think AMD has stated that there may be some sort of crossfire with the fusion APUs + discrete AMD GPUs. If that's the case then we may be seeing equal or better FPS from llano + discrete GPU rather than bulldozer + discrete GPU. Less is more? Wishful thinking? probably =P
 
[citation][nom]malmental[/nom]I'm ready to play ball and this is still warm-ups...!c'mon man.[/citation]

Yeah LOL! NO ONE'S netbook (Intel or AMD based) will be able to play at resolutions and IQ worth looking at. The other funny thing is Gamers trashing out Consoles.
 
Leave it to AMD to make comparisons with Intel, they can't just let their products speak for themselves.

No one likes a bragger or a basher, GROW UP AMD!
 
[citation][nom]billj214[/nom]Leave it to AMD to make comparisons with Intel, they can't just let their products speak for themselves. No one likes a bragger or a basher, GROW UP AMD![/citation]
AMD is the little guy fighting the giant, they have to compare to the giant to show their product is as good or better so others take notice. The giant can just say theirs is better since they are already well known for it, the little guy has to prove it that is why they compare directly.
 
billj214: That's absolutely correct, they should do it the right way and pay supposedly unbiased 3rd party review sites to create rigged benchmarks, and then next product generation they can find new and creative ways to "move the goal post" to better suite the strengths of the next-gen stuff. What's the point of doing something if you're not going to go all the way and buy off the media and OEMs?
 
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]Bulldozer? isn't that AMD's take on duke nukum forever? the chip that gets talked about but never get released[/citation]

Touche....
 
[citation][nom]i7Overkill[/nom]@ProDigit10so why the hell are you getting a i7 if all your doing is some browsing and other 'small stuff' a i3 or heck even an atom be more then capable of what you need.........[/citation]

Well, Duke Nukem Forever is on it's way... ;-)
 
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