AMD or Intel, AMD or Navidia?

[RDeano]

Hey Guys,
I have been having lots of debates with my friends about which type of CPU should I get,
I was going to get an Intel CPU but I have had second thoughts and have started to consider the AMD 1700X.

I have also been having the similar debate on whether i should get a Navidia GTX 1060 or a RX 580, AMD have been reducing the performance gap between Navidia recently and I think it is a hard decision.

Intel Build:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/MjmxKZ

AMD Build:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/N49DsJ

Also it says in the notes of the build that the CPU cooler may need an available mounting bracket even though when you go into the specs and it says it supports AM4 sockets.
Plz help!

My budget on both is £1400 including monitor and the AMD id considerably cheaper and i was wondering if the performance would be noticeable.

I will be using this PC for gaming, music production and work.

Thanks!!

 

[RCFProd]

AMD graphics cards aren't in stock. If you're planning to buy soon it'll have to be an Nvidia one.

 

[captaincharisma]

since ryzen just came out some coolers don't come included with the bracket to install them with so normally you would have to call the manufacturer to get one

for gaming the I7 7700K still has the edge but since you're doing music production then the ryzen would be the recommended choice for you because it has more physical cores

 

[kawininjazx]

A general answer
For CPU- always intel
For GPU I find both are good, Nvidia drivers are usually more solid. You would really need to compare what you want for the money. I chose an RX 480 over a GTX 1060 because the extra cost was't worth the little performance gain.

 

[RCFProd]

A general answer
For CPU- always intel

-1 -1 -1 -1 -1

Definitely don't agree. Times have changed, 2017 is RYZEN.

 

[Rogue Leader]

A general answer
For CPU- always intel

Yeah, not at all. Maybe 6 months ago before Ryzen came out. Now not so much.

 

[RDeano]

since ryzen just came out some coolers don't come included with the bracket to install them with so normally you would have to call the manufacturer to get one

for gaming the I7 7700K still has the edge but since you're doing music production then the ryzen would be the recommended choice for you because it has more physical cores

So if i got the H7 would i need to buy the extra bracket?
H7: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7

 

[RDeano]

AMD graphics cards aren't in stock. If you're planning to buy soon it'll have to be an Nvidia one.

Since when?

 

[RCFProd]

AMD graphics cards aren't in stock. If you're planning to buy soon it'll have to be an Nvidia one.

Since when?

Since a few weeks, and probably a few more to follow.

 

[boosted1g]

It all comes down to what you are using it for.

For gaming only, intel i7; and for GPU get the best bang for buck between AMD and NVIDIA at the current time. Performance wise is very similar so price is the bigger differentiator. Now if you want beyond 1080p@60hz then you need NVIDIA as AMD currently has nothing that competes with 1070/1080 NVIDIA cards.

When doing more then gaming that is where it changes things.
If doing CPU intensive tasks that are not locked to a set number of cores/threads then RYZEN is better bang for buck with 8 cores/16 threads
If doing CPU intensive tasks that are more about having the fastest single core (or dual core, etc) then intel's faster IPC will make it better.

For any work related tasks that can utilze GPUs for processing then NVIDIA is better.
Both NVIDIA and AMD can use what is called OpenCL to use the GPU for additional processing on applications coded for it, but only NVIDIA has CUDA cores.
CUDA is more efficient then OpenCL, and there is more applications that support CUDA then there is that supports OpenCL.

So for your tasks the Ryzen 1700 with NVIDIA 1060 is the better option

 

[feelinfroggy777]

You wont see any performance issues with the Ryzen chip. Some games it will perform better, some games intel will perform better. But if I were you I would not get a 1700x or a i7 7700k to pair with a 1070 (forget about the 580, you wont find one, and if you do it will be way overpriced). At that range you will see more benefit by spending less on a processor and more on a GPU. So swap out the 1700x to the 1600 and get a 1080.


CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£193.05 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£38.94 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£97.80 @ Alza)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£129.60 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£133.20 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card (£476.33 @ CCL Computers)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case (£69.98 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.80 @ Alza)
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor (£209.98 @ PC World Business)
Total: £1413.68

 

[RDeano]

It all comes down to what you are using it for.

For gaming only, intel i7; and for GPU get the best bang for buck between AMD and NVIDIA at the current time. Performance wise is very similar so price is the bigger differentiator. Now if you want beyond 1080p@60hz then you need NVIDIA as AMD currently has nothing that competes with 1070/1080 NVIDIA cards.

When doing more then gaming that is where it changes things.
If doing CPU intensive tasks that are not locked to a set number of cores/threads then RYZEN is better bang for buck with 8 cores/16 threads
If doing CPU intensive tasks that are more about having the fastest single core (or dual core, etc) then intel's faster IPC will make it better.

For any work related tasks that can utilze GPUs for processing then NVIDIA is better.
Both NVIDIA and AMD can use what is called OpenCL to use the GPU for additional processing on applications coded for it, but only NVIDIA has CUDA cores.
CUDA is more efficient then OpenCL, and there is more applications that support CUDA then there is that supports OpenCL.

So for your tasks the Ryzen 1700 with NVIDIA 1060 is the better option

So do you think this is a better build?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c2s3Gf

 

[captaincharisma]

A general answer
For CPU- always intel

-1 -1 -1 -1 -1

Definitely don't agree. Times have changed, 2017 is RYZEN.

since ryzen just came out some coolers don't come included with the bracket to install them with so normally you would have to call the manufacturer to get one

for gaming the I7 7700K still has the edge but since you're doing music production then the ryzen would be the recommended choice for you because it has more physical cores

So if i got the H7 would i need to buy the extra bracket?
H7: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7

well this thread is filling up with AMD fanbois pretty fast lol

i have seen in the reviews for some CPU coolers that they have called the manufacturer and they were able to ship out a bracket to them. ii haven't seen anything negative about it so i assume they were able to ship one to them at no cost

 

[Rogue Leader]

The above is correct, Cryorig just shipped my AM4 bracket. Of course I bought my A80 with my Ryzen system back in March, but whatever..... (thank god for AM3 mount holes on the Crosshair)

well this thread is filling up with AMD fanbois pretty fast lol

How about you save the flame bait for elsewhere, continue on this path and I will be happy to help you along.

 

[King_V]

For GPU I find both are good, Nvidia drivers are usually more solid.

My experience has been exactly the opposite. Not that Nvidia drivers are bad, but I've never had issues with AMD drivers. I have, in the past, run into the occasional hiccup, or had a friend who ran into the occasional issue, with Nvidia drivers.

Still, I don't think one can really conclusively make any real assessment on the stability of the drivers being notably better for either Nvidia or AMD, on an overall large scale.